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Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something. going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well. | ||
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That said I don't know what more there is/was to respond to. Like I could do RNG votes or pressure a random person to gauge for responses. I could see it being a scumtell if things are going on and people don't want to get involved. But right now there wasn't much going on yet Can you link me to the post you're referring to? I may have read it but I'll read it again | ||
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Didn't like his initial "response" to me + his follow-up. "shame on everyone who scumreads me D1. Everyone should know by now that I'm simply bad at this game." Excuse to not take responsibility for bad plays so people aren't allowed to scumread him based on "bad play" also a lot of other excuses for no play "I'll check this thread every now and then for the next 4-8 hours but don't expect too much" "no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner yes I'm going to bed now no I'm not scum" this is lazy play at best, but I could see it being scummy play as well. making a few pushes, laying low, mentioning it multiple times which could be overcompensating (afraid people will look into it? we're in the beginning stages of the game so I doubt this many excuses are needed) saying he's not scum obviously isn't a solid defense either also to clarify my stance on Fidei86, I think what he did could be scummy, and "moving the game forward" was a possible counterargument. But I'm not saying he's actually moving the game forward, it was something I was considering at the moment and wanted to give more time. Fidei86 instantly gave beentheredonethat towncreds (while multiple people were suspicious of it), which stands out, as well as beentheredonethat "attacking me" after I "attack" Fidei86. Possible scumteam? My 2nd choice to vote right now would be Fidei86. I think both Fidei86 and beentheredonethat are good vote choices right now. | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Lynch Tumblewood. Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is" Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)? I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide. All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now. | ||
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I think HF is town I think vivax my be scum I will have to filter him, or my initial scumreads (btdt, fidei) I think btdt was extremely scummy so he would be my prefered lynch No opinion on the others yet outside of my townreads I mentioned | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:44 Holyflare wrote: I mean when I read PB and if I want to imagine a world that he's mafia I can see his posts going through the back and forth and reaching the "correct" conclusions out of the blue in his posts. But I don't know if that's based on a foregone conclusion or if it is actually like that. What do you mean with this exactly? I've read till like page 18 and now there are a shitload of pages, I saw some arguments between you and vivax but haven't read the other stuff yet. I don't post about pages I haven't read / if I haven't formed an opinion yet. So when I'm not posting I'm reading or thinking. But right now I was just busy and didn't expect this boost in activity so I haven't read all. | ||
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Tumblewod: Fidei86, Holyflare, rityoky, beentheredonethat Blazinghand:Grackaroni, Vivax beentheredonethat: Prison Break, Grackaroni: Blazinghand Fidei86: Onegu LightningStrike: Holyflare Holyflare: lightningstrike Vivax: Tubesock Prison Break: Conversion, Tumblewood is this vote count correct? I counted the votes in vote thread quickly | ||
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Blazinghand:Grackaroni, Vivax beentheredonethat: Prison Break, Grackaroni: Blazinghand Fidei86: Onegu LightningStrike: Holyflare Holyflare: lightningstrike Vivax: Tubesock Prison Break: Conversion, Tumblewood | ||
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I mean I'm ISO'ing tumblewood and I see beentheredonethat making a case on Conversion based on him using correct spelling? I really dont like beentheredonethat and I think we should lynch him today wait is there time, it's like 2 min right | ||
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I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list | ||
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Anyway I like Onegu, Tubesock, Tumblewood (claim ofc) for town. Not sure if I like vivax going from tumblewood to me etc. Grack switching from me to Fidei is weird. Grack, can you explain to me why you did this? Especially since we kind of wanted each other dead. Was it a "one of them is scum", or, is there anything reason for this? Grack: "HF might be scum for still thinking Fidei is scum. It's hard to be that self-righteous as scum. I think I gave him/her an asthma attack." Grack to HF: "You're pushing Vivax for going against your reads which you don't even care about anymore because Vivax is scummier for opposing you?" I'm really not sure what to make of this or what to think of you. Like are you just tunneled on HF or do you still think he's scum? That said you did say "I'm not looking to switch to HF he seems fine to me minus the pretty useless shit fight between you two earlier. His case on TW had good points even though he overlooked other things about Tumblewood." . Do you think I could still be scum or does Fidei flip change that? I also want to know the reason you switched to me. Was it a post I made, or the fact I wasn't online? I'd say I wasn't online all the time last game either, but i was mafia there, so is that a reason you scumread me based on "meta"? I did like that you called beentheredonethat out, do you think he is scum right now? | ||
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On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: hahahaha fidei I would've never caught him good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum. | ||
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