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On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Since you can't read my shoulders from your computer screen, what gives you the impression that I'm tense? Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already". Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things.
I don't like this explanation. This comes from scum more often that town in my experience
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On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).
Why ?
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On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted
That seems really premature.
LS can make that meta comment as scum.
LS can make those jokes and those surface comments as scum. Especially early game when not being pressured. I witnessed it first hand when we were partner last game. And actually I don't find the part about jokes true. Several time in the millionaire game, and several time in the last game we played together where we were scum, he made joke posts when he was being pressured or voted.
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This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town
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On January 16 2017 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
And hapa you can't just drive by drop a comment and peace out after I've stepped up. Gotta do that hardcore commitment you so badly wanted at the start now.
On January 16 2017 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:
HF, why is that inconsistency mafia motivated? I understand the why Damdreds thought process doesn't make sense. I dont understand why it is suspicious.
Great timing
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On January 16 2017 21:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town Not a fan of your argumentation here cause it should go "IF LS is town then Damdred is scum cause he spewed LS town". So first you would have to make a point for LS to be town.
Nope, that's quite the contrary. LS didn't do anything that points at him being townie atm, so Damdred using his god meta read on LS to read him town out of bad reasons is suspicious
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On January 16 2017 09:09 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly. But why weird ls? Which side is weird?
But I like this post. It shows that Damdred is not relying on his previous "LS is town" read to not talk about him. Makes me doubt the TMI thing
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On January 16 2017 09:44 Holyflare wrote:
Ok nvm I drop everything about damdred.
Carry on folks, nothing to see here.
I like this shift too
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On January 16 2017 10:29 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 09:35 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
?????????????????
Because town people generally care about what they think and have thought 2 hours previously.
Because town people don't usually forget the person they thought was weird/scummy.
Because town people don't try and retroactively defend themselves with lies when their answer is I forgot.
Because town don't change their entire story to stop someone scum reading them.
Because town don't then realise they've been caught out lying and try to retroactively undo their lie AGAIN!
Wtf hapa it's not that hard to understand??? Because... On January 16 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I see where the disconect is, my posting implies that hi had an earlier bad feeling and I don't talk about hapa in that posting.
Ehhhhh, I can see it and understand your point.
It's a mistake on my part, maybe I meant to type hhapa there instead of vivax. I'm not sure what I was thinking or if i wwa just in a hurry.
Unfortunate but I doubt you believe my explanation anyway. ...the bolded makes sense, and is consistent with some other name typos that Damdred has made over the last 2 hours. (See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=6#110)You switch out "vivax" for "hapa" there, and Damdred's thought process is entirely consistent. I believe the typo, or at the very least, I believe that the typo is equally likely to Damdred fucking up as mafia. If you can read it like this after reading the last 5 or so posts on the last page where he specifically responds to my case and acknowledges the points then you must be mafia. That's such a ridiculous defense on a person that doesn't even need defending and if it was truly an error on his part could quite easily vindicate himself later. The typos in this post you've linked are incredibly obvious phone auto corrects, for example, the name ls is extremely close to the letters M and E. I don't think the letters V I V A X are close to H A P A in the slightest and in no way, shape or form would it ever be auto corrected to switch around. Furthermore, to compound on your bull shittery, he mentions both your name and vivax as two separate paragraphs and points in his post. Two separate matters. It's not a typo at all and in fact is quite clearly talking about two people instead of "mistaking" the names. If it was a mistake it would be one paragraph. I've read your interaction with Damdred probably 5 times over the last two hours. I still don't see what you're getting at. The entire interaction makes perfect sense if Damdred makes a typo and doesn't understand that he made a mistake while answering your question. I've been in his position as town. Since you dropped Damdred, this is no longer an issue however.
??? That's not true at all
If HF is scum, you just caught him pushing something pretty weak, and you made him change his mind when confronted with the facts. Just because he acknoledged that he was wrong shouldn't make you doubt your feeling about his push before that happened.
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On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.
You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.
Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town?
I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread.
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Slam any feelings about the game ?
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That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa
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On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly.
On January 16 2017 09:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 09:09 Damdred wrote:On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this? I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly. But why weird ls? Which side is weird? Idk it just feels weird. Maybe HF's side? Idk man.
I don't like these posts at all. The comments are bland. It's pretty different from a very similar situation where LS was town and had to post about a fight going on in the thread:
On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game).
On November 30 2016 01:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 01:37 mahrgell wrote:On November 30 2016 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 01:22 Shapelog wrote:Now I have to write a paper >_< On November 29 2016 22:42 mahrgell wrote:
Grmpf... now I went through all filters... And somehow got left disappointed. All the people I would like to know more about have not posted lately... And the other half of players just tries to expand their filter size without contributing anything. Guess I just vote for policy killing almost everyone!
Guess I write a summary anyway... Maybe this helps me to order my thoughts better. So what, how are you going to make this happen? How are going to fix it? On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game). Can you explain this more if you can? It hard to explain but it a gut feeling on tone between EC and NU it doesn't feel town on town for some reason when they talked to each other. Uhm?? I can't follow that argument. How it the tone of a townie in TvT different from his tone in TvM? If you can't decide who is the M in this matchup, I'm not seeing how you come to the conclusion that this should be TvM. Or are you saying it is TvM or MvM? Tone of TvT feels more natural while TvM feels unnatural ie like something feels forced by one side. EC vs NU seems like TvM on tone. I will look into more later when I get on a computer because quoting posts is a pain in the assignment on mobile.
On November 30 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. This post and the one after in EC's filter and the response from NU tone wise makes it seem there is a mafia between them. Like something doesn't feel natural in their conversation.
On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway.
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On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.
You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.
Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town? I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread. I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in. And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here. Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all.
I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact.
I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him
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On January 16 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.
You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.
Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town? I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread. I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in. And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here. Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all. I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact. I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him I'll let Damdred get back to that as I can't really remember if or when he mislynched town LS as mafia. If you believe that Damdred can read LS very well and treat is as a fact, then why say he spewed him town as mafia? That's the point that I still didn't see sufficiently answered, you would have to believe that you can read LS better than Damdred, and you would have to believe that LS IS town which you didn't seem to think when you posted that.
My problem was that (1) I find LS scummy and (2) I find Damdred's reasonning pretty bad 'cause LS has proved he can do all of those things as scum. Usually Damdred's reasons to townread LS are more nebuleous feelings, especially D1.
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Is Hapa considered a good town player ? Cause his reasons to scumread people are bad. Boring. Static. On HF and on Vivax. They're surface level things that don't make people scum
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On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:36 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:
"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance. Do you find it scummy? Yes. #1 Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
I like that vivax drew his conclusion, I like that hapa called it weird because I felt the same.
That is all. #2 Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. #2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".
This post in particular. Just play on words, this don't anyone scum. Especially anyone that has a good scumgame
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On January 16 2017 22:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 21:07 Rels wrote:
This seems like TMI. If Damdred is scum LS is spewed town Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 22:04 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:51 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.
You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.
Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town? I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread. I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in. And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here. Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all. I don't believe it's likely at all that mafia!Damdred will ever use his "god meta read" to try to mislynch LS. The fact that Damdred can read LS very well is a well known fact. I explained why I found Damdred's townread of LS bad. But I liked that he pressured LS on spitting out posts, instead of buddying him I'll let Damdred get back to that as I can't really remember if or when he mislynched town LS as mafia. If you believe that Damdred can read LS very well and treat is as a fact, then why say he spewed him town as mafia? That's the point that I still didn't see sufficiently answered, you would have to believe that you can read LS better than Damdred, and you would have to believe that LS IS town which you didn't seem to think when you posted that. My problem was that (1) I find LS scummy and (2) I find Damdred's reasonning pretty bad 'cause LS has proved he can do all of those things as scum. Usually Damdred's reasons to townread LS are more nebuleous feelings, especially D1. How can the bolded fit together? You would never jump to the conclusion that Damdred is mafia for spewing LS as town when you believe that LS is scummy.
If I found LS townie I wouldn't have found Damdred's townread on him to be TMI.
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