EPTOn August 26 2016 02:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
You can /in anytime!
You can /in anytime!
/in
im not at home atm and won't be for a few weeks
pre game excuses etc.
[M][N] Star Wars: Rogue 1 Hype Mafia
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On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote: now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3 You're not confirmed town  | ||
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things. ##Vote Trfel | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote: Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? I wasn't joking, he's just not conf town for posting first. Don't see why it's suspicious for him to reply to my post in an empty game either, is it Truffle? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. I'm not pissed I think I'm just overeager. Please stop seeing my posts as emotionally driven by anger or something. <3 you all except geript cuz he makes me go ACTUALLY ape in a lot of games. At bolded: Why not? That's what I hinted at when attacking him for the joking, so he followed up by trying to find arguments. We need productivity not jokes followed by disappereances. Sane behaviour so far, not particularly alignment indicative, but if he just disappeared I'd have kept accusing him of being scummy. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? I was thinking about writing up how much I am a big fanboy of yours and mad respect and all and so I stand behind your Rels=scum theory. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote: Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? | ||
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THE CASE AGAINST RELS ![[image loading]](https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljrd6hpKLh1qe6qvlo1_1280.jpg)
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On August 29 2016 07:08 Koshi wrote: I saw it in obs qt. hahahahahaha dat wishful thinking. You're a real prick for saying you had a cool role when it was just yourself. It made me misjudge you. Palmar rigged the game. | ||
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Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler + I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team. Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads. So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff. So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played: - no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics. - no committment to what he said. - liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash. - + one could go on about finding similarities. Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia. THE CASE ON SCOTT ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/56/c4/5156c4785945c90f11b36d97ed244d0c.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1VI11KXvGKZ8c/200_s.gif) On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote: Woohoo! Let's do this. Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM? Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested. Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check. Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once. Low committment to his declared opinion. Check. On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. Random low seriousness post. Check. On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote: So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here) and the other he starts just talking shit Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks. This could be a good idea. Just for fun he checks Rels last two games. He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded. "Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT "Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk. Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check. On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote: He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier. Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check. On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote: This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP. Did you roll mafia again? Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check. On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote: Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check. On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote: Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.  Could you tell me more? Random question. On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote: DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone? Useless question. On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote: Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland. COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment? On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote: Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts? Random questions. On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote: Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else? Random questions. Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope . Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town  | ||
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Also not going to join any wagon EoD that isn't scott. If you think you can do better let's see you do it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote: Your WoT made my eyes bleed. I gather you have some weirdly formed meta read on scott... I hate it. I should probably have good reasons why but I just don't buy the meta argument here. Honestly I kinda hate that most of the cases put out there so far are heavily meta based. I suppose I should have expected that given this player list. And you suck TT. It can't be a meta read cause I'm not judging him based on meta. What I did is much better: I analyzed a confirmed scum in a finished game and found out that scott's play is the one which has most things in common with how a mafia plays, so he's likely mafia. Carefully laid out. That case is science, bitch! If you won't read walls of text made by your suspect don't play this game thanks. | ||
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Apparently he agreed with disfo about me and Trfel being buds together or something but that line of thought is not pursued in the slightest afterwards. I'm just repeating myself I think so I'll keep sitting here until scott dies, I might just sheep Palmar or HF later but I'm not afraid of being the only vote on scott at EoD if I feel like it. So I dnu. Vote scott or gtfo for now. The case stands and so far I've only seen stronlgy subjective remarks to it that don't match my level of effort in making it in the slightest and will be dismissed as such. | ||
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It's already mafia indicative that he's still sitting on the Rels wagon when it lost steam. Townies all went looking for better stuff when they had more information available. Palmar gave potential mafia a very easy wagon to switch to, but a hard one to get away from without putting in effort. The remnants you're seeing on the Rels wagon are the fishlets who got stuck in the bait and don't have the muscle to break free. I'll bother about making a call on TT later cause until scott dies I'm in a strike. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:55 scott31337 wrote: Who are the other mafia? When I flip town can we lynch you? Yes absolutely but it's not going to happen. I don't need to bother about other mafia cause it's much more effective to find one and stick to it. And so far I didn't see any convincing cases besides my own. Until you're dead I'll keep pestering you. I'm that convinced you're scum. | ||
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On August 30 2016 08:27 Tictock wrote: Oh I read your post, that's why my eyes were bleeding. Your "science" is even worse than what I originally thought you were doing. It reminds me of this...+ Show Spoiler + Basically you are making a meta read on another player and then applying it to Scott this game. I could probably do the exact same thing with someone who was town in another game. Nowhere in your case do you show how the stuff you quote are evidence of mafia mindset, you just label stuff as useless or random. It's more like you used the word meta to lazily talk down my case, which revolves around finding out what scum tends to do in the first part and then figuring out that it's what scott is doing in the second one. If that's the case then Palmar used meta as well by your definition when he posted his argument on Rels WHICH YOU SHEEPED(!). While Palmar said "mafia tends to have a hard time entering the thread -> Rels had a hard time entering the thread therefore mafia. I said: "mafia tends to ask random questions, not follow their own line of reasoning, has no own agenda etc. etc". -> scott does all this stuff therefore mafia. Differently from Palmar I posted Grack as example of a mafia playing exactly like that in another game. Cause that's what you call empiric evidence. Anyone can claim mafia tends to do certain things, but I went through the trouble of illustrating them to further cement my case. So by your own definition, Palmar applied meta to Rels which you followed blindly (which btw wasn't meta) but when I posted my argument (which btw wasn't meta) you antagonized it. So I think it's time to get working on your semantics and stop poking at all the wrong places for bad reasons. Mostly cause it WILL come back to bite you in the arse. | ||
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