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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 23 2016 07:50 GMT
#37
I'm not opening RB's PMs anymore. He's starting to be very annoying.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 27 2016 10:16 GMT
#79
/in
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 27 2016 13:00 GMT
#88
On August 27 2016 21:50 disformation wrote:
is there a support group for mafia addiction?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438626-tl-mafia-community-thread
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 27 2016 19:54 GMT
#102
/confirm
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 28 2016 21:07 GMT
#137
yo
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 21:35 GMT
#523
hello I finally have some time, reading the thread now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 21:40 GMT
#529
On August 30 2016 06:37 Tumblewood wrote:
damn rels is playing now

sorry to disappoint
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 21:59 GMT
#541
On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.

My opening in these two games couldn't be further from my "yo" post this game. In both these games I opened by making very serious posts. It doesn't make any kind of sense that you are using these two games to justify a vote on me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 22:14 GMT
#543
On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia.

Yes. The scenario where he's VT posting this "we can compare the names of the VT role" thing vs the scenario where he's scum creating this plan for no visible gain points at RB being super likely VT.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 22:33 GMT
#545
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row

Trfel should know better than to open like this as town.

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On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain?

Vivax was making a joke?
Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead.

1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke.

2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement).

3. You respond to Vivax here.

I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above.

This expansion is pretty bad. Vivax had the only correct response to Trfel's "I am scum" post. This post and the expansion from it are bad. I associate that more with scum!trfel but he can be bad as town too.

So "Trfel can be bad as town" but "he should know better than to open like this as town" ? I don't understand why you posted that first thing if you're actually thinking the second one.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 22:55 GMT
#547
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

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On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

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On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

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On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

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On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

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On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

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On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

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On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

This is a really good case
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 23:01 GMT
#549
On August 30 2016 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 07:33 Rels wrote:
On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row

Trfel should know better than to open like this as town.

On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:11 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain?

Vivax was making a joke?
Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead.

1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke.

2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement).

3. You respond to Vivax here.

I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above.

This expansion is pretty bad. Vivax had the only correct response to Trfel's "I am scum" post. This post and the expansion from it are bad. I associate that more with scum!trfel but he can be bad as town too.

So "Trfel can be bad as town" but "he should know better than to open like this as town" ? I don't understand why you posted that first thing if you're actually thinking the second one.


Why is this the first post you pick up on when disformation does exactly the same thing? Isn't this quite a lot later too?

It didn't shock me. Maybe 'cause disfo is known to waffle.
Rereading it it is not the same at all, assuming you're talking about this:
On August 29 2016 06:24 disformation wrote:
currently trying to debate if trfel is going for the mad wifom play (i have seen sl or oneg (would need to doublecheck)) insta scum claim as scum before. dont know if that would be in trfel's scum range. would go with no.
or is he trying to get town to generate content by talking about that.

on the other hand he is kinda annoying me already, which is normally not in trfel's range. so he might be trying to break meta.

Disfo is saying "Trfel usually wouldn't do that (claiming scum) as scum" then "but he usually wouldn't annoy me as town". geript showed he thought Trfel could be bad as town, but said for another post that Trfel shouldn't be that bad as town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 23:16 GMT
#552
On August 30 2016 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
He shouldn't be but he can be, I hardly see how that's a bad post?

Disformation on the other hand says it's not within trfel's range as scum = town and that he's possibly doing it as town for discussion and then goes on to vote trfel like a page later.

But anyway, carry on.

On the contrary I thought that disfo voting Trfel immediately was a townie vote. disfo going back and forth between scum and town explanation for the same action is how he plays so it means nothing
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 23:19 GMT
#553
On August 30 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though.
back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad

Why would RB's vote be more suspicious if it "doesn't change soon" ? Would you vote him over TT ? What happened to your TT meta analysis that seemed pretty good, you kinda stopped it midway ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 23:31 GMT
#555
Caught up. I want to lynch one of:
- scott: see Vivax case. Very disconnected to any pushes this game but posts random questions + have a very bad reason to vote me, since his "meta analysis" should indicate Palmar's "reason" to push me was not supported by meta, yet he acted like it did. As a counter to Koshi, scott has an habit of making spreadsheet so it's not impossible he's making one as town to replicate his meta.
- tumble: not involved in the game. Has random posts about different things / people but there is no continuous thought process to be seen. He's just posting whatever is in his head, which is scum indicative. In particular, his TT post was one I liked and agreed with, but like everything else he posted about he posted about something else afterwards.
- TT: I had the exact same impression Tumble posted about. He's reasonnable but, having played with him quite a few times, his "nice" tone matches his scum meta. As town he will not care for what people thinks about him and just post stuff about finding scum.
- geript: two big posts that are meh and contains two things that don't make sense. First, the thing above about Trfel. Second, the thing about RB being likely townie but being in his scumlist. His explanation makes little sense, he should use every information at his disposal to find scum. I know I find RB's posts about his PM to be borderline cheating but he didn't do it on purpose and he's confirmed town now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 23:31 GMT
#556
##Vote scott
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 29 2016 23:33 GMT
#557
Now I'm going to sleep, tomorrow I'm driving all day so I'll see you during the short breaks I take. See you later (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 30 2016 06:58 GMT
#592
On August 30 2016 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2016 08:31 Rels wrote:
Caught up. I want to lynch one of:
- scott: see Vivax case. Very disconnected to any pushes this game but posts random questions + have a very bad reason to vote me, since his "meta analysis" should indicate Palmar's "reason" to push me was not supported by meta, yet he acted like it did. As a counter to Koshi, scott has an habit of making spreadsheet so it's not impossible he's making one as town to replicate his meta.
- tumble: not involved in the game. Has random posts about different things / people but there is no continuous thought process to be seen. He's just posting whatever is in his head, which is scum indicative. In particular, his TT post was one I liked and agreed with, but like everything else he posted about he posted about something else afterwards.
- TT: I had the exact same impression Tumble posted about. He's reasonnable but, having played with him quite a few times, his "nice" tone matches his scum meta. As town he will not care for what people thinks about him and just post stuff about finding scum.
- geript: two big posts that are meh and contains two things that don't make sense. First, the thing above about Trfel. Second, the thing about RB being likely townie but being in his scumlist. His explanation makes little sense, he should use every information at his disposal to find scum. I know I find RB's posts about his PM to be borderline cheating but he didn't do it on purpose and he's confirmed town now.


So you have absolutely 0 problem with the people saying there is no geript inconsistency?


No. I don't agree with it though.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 30 2016 07:00 GMT
#594
On August 30 2016 09:19 Tictock wrote:
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On August 30 2016 08:31 Rels wrote:
- TT: I had the exact same impression Tumble posted about. He's reasonnable but, having played with him quite a few times, his "nice" tone matches his scum meta. As town he will not care for what people thinks about him and just post stuff about finding scum.


Ok that's it. I have half a mind to be extremely nice and cordial to you all so that if/when I flip it will put an end to this terrible meta on me.

That is if that's ok with everyone of course.

I can see how it is frustrating if you're town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 30 2016 07:01 GMT
#595
On August 30 2016 12:34 Trfel wrote:
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On August 30 2016 12:29 Tictock wrote:
On August 30 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote:
Tictock, why are you more willing to lynch geript than Rels? Is it just the inconsistencies between his posts and the conclusion, or is there something else?


It is partially just feels, on the surface the both just did the same thing but Rels string of thoughts flowed better into his conclusions. Geript has the inconsistencies but also did little to focus on his scum reads or any reads infact, compare to Rels who put down a decent bit about each of his scum reads.
I find this interesting because to me, Rels and geript were similar in some ways, but Rels was far more reactive in only addressing the thread sentiment, being open to lynch all the main suspects, and not having any original thought. On the contrary, geript felt more willing to share original thoughts, even if they didn't make as much sense.

I am having a bit of trouble believing that you can actually think this . Help?

You think I'm scum ?
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