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On July 15 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: anger has no logic and i don't really care just lynch me and be done with it and realise that people's intent to policy and play like crap is far greater than their need to ever treat another player like they are wrong and to maybe change their read and sure it's hypocritical when i've called you mafia all game but i was already mad then and will continue to be mad so it's best to get rid of me and i will no longer post a single thing this phase and it's probably my last mafia game too so, yay! /in before HF quits the scene, this site, his mafia career?^^ | ||
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If you are cop don't CC, you can work in the dark now, while I absorb your hits. | ||
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On July 18 2015 08:16 plotspot wrote: Ok, I see what's up with this game. I'm gonna sleep now. 0:00 AM deadline is really perfect.^^ To clarify on this. I simply meant that the game is slower than I anticipated, people reserving their thoughts or are simply not there at that moment, and I really didn't look at the thread anymore after this post, I didn't know it picked up some activity. About the forced emotes, it's just the way it is, I sometimes put them there if I feel like, I wouldn't interpret too much into it. XD ^^ XD ^^ A bit a strange but here are my chain of thoughts after yamato suggests a policy lynch so early. "what does such an early suggestion bring? Is he asking for information? what is it based on? Is it based on the vanilla cop claim? what does it bring town if they policy-lynch wrongly? Who else was wrongly lynched? Ah jesus was kinda lynched wrongly, and some people knew it, but couldn't do anything about it. Really if it's too confusing, ignore it. After 3 games, I kinda noticed I have this natural tendency to confuse people, because I think a lot but only post the "end thought". I try to improve that, but it's probably still gonna be difficult. | ||
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I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT. 1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT. 2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me. I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it? | ||
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It was also something I was curious to try and see how people react to it. I'm kinda paranoid sometimes, I don't like to explain everything, because usually mafia reads here too and they get to know all the information and can adapt their play, but the explanation for vanilla cop is not something that gives them real information, I'm sure they have figured it out by themselves. I always have to ask myself the question: will the info I reveal benefit town or mafia more? I know most here believe if you have info, share it with town, because town are in the majority. I'll try to consider this more. Ok, enough with technicalities. I'm trying to figure out what's everyone's up to. I have some thoughts but they are ambiguous at the moment. I will post reads later when the picture becomes more convergent. | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:23 KelsierSC wrote: You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ? Fun and curiosity was part of the reason, but it was not everything. It is not "now", I thought about something like this a few weeks ago. My reads will come later, I have to do some chores. :/ | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i am waiting for your conclusions about your "reaction test". Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything? This is kinda hard to explain. It's a sort of gravity thing, instead of everything being neutral and mafia guessing elsewhere, the focus will be more on whether I'm VT or Cop. Now If I said that, you could say I am VT, because obviously I want the attention on me, but then again that means I'm not the Cop and mafia would look elsewhere. But maybe I am the Cop and I want exactly that. But then again, I can't be the Cop, a cop would not say anything and not claim vanilla cop. Or maybe I am a cop speculating on medic protection... Well, imo it is different, but hard to pinpoint exactly. Also it depends on the mafia team. If they choose to ignore everything I said, then you're right, it makes no difference, but then it is not for me to decide whether claiming vanilla cop or not does make a difference. Ok, I'm really off now. | ||
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Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI. KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda? Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town. Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes, On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town. JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me: Like: 1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his 2. Vayne being town after 2 posts 3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself. Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info. VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: plotspot elaborate your read on me, particularly the yamato part. Why can't i make the same read Damdred did? Smells like bullshit. Also you have unanswered questions in thread. yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. It's just that that I think is strange. You might have advanced meta and be able to pinpoint yamato as town immediately after only 3 posts, that could be. I'll answer your earlier questions later. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you don't know why someone does something you do not form a read based on it. Why are you doing so? Or what is that even doing in your post when you don't know what it means? Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? On July 19 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i think this is really bad. plotspot what is this "info" you are talking about here? obviously you want to share all info you have (not talking about claiming here). Why wouldn't you? This was a general remark by me how I think certain info shouldn't be shared to town, because mafia can also read it. I can take for example the game where I was town roleblocker. It would have been nice for me to tell town who I roleblocked in the thread, but mafia knowing that could have wifomed a lot of stuff.. pff it was complicated stuff. In this particular case the "info" is just me explaining why I claimed vanilla cop. I thought about whether revealing the info gives mafia any advantage beyond town. I decided no and did it. On July 19 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what bothers me with plotspot. He uses two different explanations for his actions. There is nothing alignment indicative in his claim itself. He says he has planned that some weeks ago, so he would do that as either alignment most likely. The problem is, i don't understand (1) his explanation Kelsier pointed out and (2) what is he trying to gain? Like i don't get how anyone can think claiming "vanilla cop" does "confuse" mafia (but not town). Also he said it was a reaction test so; I want to hear it from him, what did he gain. What conclusions did he come up with for the reactions, and why. Otherwise probably mafia trying to just post something and talk about irrelevant things that have nothing to do with scumhunting. You wanted to know what I got from my reactions. Not much besides two people asking me "why you do that?" and one "any reaction and conclusion about the reaction from the claim?". I do get however that the rest, which majority is made up by town, kinda ignores it, which shows me they don't want to dug around it and hinder more important topics, which is good. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Damdred 0. pushing off a lynch on Geript and suggests Jonny or FF. 3. doesn’t want to lynch yamato 5. wants to consider lynching rayn, 14. reinforces reason on why ff is mafia Geript: 1. wants to lynch yamato, accusing him all sort of stuff, (yamato is a girl? ok), 2. wants to lynch Rayn for doing less than he could as town, basically much from the meta-soup, 4. wants to lynch Kelsier for asking stupid questions and being stupid in general 6. thinks either Rayn or jonny is mafia. 7. back to the circle of lynching among yamato/Rayn/Kelsier 8. (geript never thought of ff as scum, rather town) 9. add Onegu to the circle of possible mafia 20. more yamato Vayne: 10. thinks Onegu might be scum 11. 50/50 on jonny 12. ff looks town 18. Damdred is town Rels: 13. thinks geript is town XX. votes jonny Rayn: 15. votes Damdred 16. geript is town 17. Onegu might be scum 19. explains why Damdred is scum Yamato: 21. geript is mafia 22. Rayn and damdred both probably town It kinda boils down to Damdred, geript VS Rayn, Kelsier I am still thinking which side makes more sense. @geript: would be nice if you could provide the reasons why there is one town/mafia between Rayn and Jonny. | ||
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Damdred vs Rayn geript vs Kelsier but Kelsier and rayn townreading eachother, while Damdred and geript do too. The crossrelation is more complicated: Kelsier thinks Damdred is town, while Damdred think Kelsier is ??? (sorry what is your read on Kel, Damdred, last I check it was town but that was from page 1 of your filter.) geript has Rayn as mafia, while rayn reads geript town. Yeah, I will look into jonny after eating. | ||
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