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On January 05 2014 07:40 Blazinghand wrote: hm, this filled up before I expected. Sorry guys! Due to other obligations, I have to /out /out ofc you had to out, I'm in the game. can't be in two places at once. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/iDz8aGm) ##vote WaveofShadow Good night. | ||
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At the moment though, I want a bit more from a couple others. I want some opinions on the play of justanothertownie and kushm4sta. Bonus points if you back up your opinions with concrete evidence (e.g. past games) | ||
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On January 08 2014 02:54 iamperfection wrote: You reading the thread bugs? sure. I'm still trying to formulate my opinions, though as usual I've found it easier to consider a few people townies for now. The hardest part of the game is still trying to figure out whether people are being dumb because they just are or because their role PM had red text in it. join me in the killing of kush. ##vote kushm4sta | ||
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If you want to figure out my alignment for yourself it's probably a better idea to give me something better to work with. Why don't you comment on the game, or try to have a different conversation with me? If I can get some sort of insight into your current thoughts, e.g. what players you are currently looking at-you don't even have to particularly elucidate your reads-or, say, things you are worried about, or players you think are playing in a manner inconsistent to their norm, then I can have a fruitful conversation with you that can be alignment-enlightening in multiple ways. | ||
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In other words, your second option is (and pardon my French) to shut the fuck up and vote kush. | ||
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On January 08 2014 04:36 Corazon wrote: Well I cannot have a productive conversation with you because all you say is that you are going to read more and then throw a useless pressure vote on Kush. I need that contribution from you first before we can have a meaningful conversation. This isn't a one-way street. You seem to lack reading comprehension. We can do the "no you first' thing all day, but if this is the best you can offer then I have no real reason to keep talking to you. It isn't a personal thing, it's just that talking to someone who doesn't know how to further conversation is probably a dead-end at best. I offered you the chance at elucidating your current thoughts. They don't even have to be detailed. If you don't want to do even that then I can't be bothered to share more with you, since I have no clue whether sharing my current thoughts is even a good idea if I don't get decent information in return. Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny. | ||
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On January 08 2014 04:41 Corazon wrote: Read my filter. Read the game. You would see that I already have given my opinions on certain people (Yamato). Please don't come back and post again until you have read through the whole game, please. So, you're dumb. Okay. Thanks for letting us know. | ||
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On January 08 2014 04:47 Corazon wrote: Whatever, WBG. If you don't want to contribute, don't complain when you get lynched. More proof that Corazon is dumb, guys. This is fun. On January 08 2014 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: Well should you indeed have any suspects then it might help to make that public because otherwise you can't convince other people to lynch them. Also nobody will be able to read you this way. A kush lynch is just pure policy right now and doesn't contribute or help in any way at the moment. I'm sorry, are you actually trying to defend the guy who literally isn't bothering to play the game? I just can't understand this type of mentality. Everyone on this forum complains constantly about lurkers and then when games roll around the lurkers are defended and the people who bother doing something about it are attacked. Keep being dumb, I'm sure it's worked out so far. | ||
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On January 08 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote: I am not defending Kush. If he hasn't done anything late into Day1 I can policy lynch him then if it makes you happy but right now this does not serve any purpose. Do you think Kush wouldn't post at all as scum if he was here? I don't think so. Being absent is entirely a null tell and hiding behind this policy lynch right now without wanting to share any other opinion does not help town at all. So tell me, what do we lose by killing someone who is not playing the game? How is what I am doing "not helpful"? Have you even thought about what you are typing so far? I wouldn't call you dumb if I seriously didn't think you were acting like it. Do you think the game so far has had good discussion? If no, why the hell haven't you done something about it? If you are town, isn't that part of your job? What are you doing about players who are not contributing? What do you think you COULD be doing about them? How many questions have you asked yourself while reading this game? Have you even bothered to think about half of the things I am asking you right now? | ||
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On January 08 2014 05:07 justanothertownie wrote: We do note lose much by ultimately killing him in the end but wasting this entire day by just voting him and doing nothing else does not achieve anything. What you are doing is not helpful because you essentially prevent anyone from getting a opinion on you or to take your reads in consideration. I don't think the game thus far had really good discussion, no. But that's often the case Day1. Of course it is my job to change that as town and so it is yours (if you are town). Why do I have to do this and you don't? I don't think I can do anything about players like Kush right now because he is not here. Voting him won't change that. So again, I have to ask you. Do you really believe this garbage? I'm not so sure you do even subconsciously, otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Saying this, and I really don't understand how people do this almost every game, but stuff like this really spurs me into calling you stupid. I really hate doing that, but even when I wave the answer in front of your face you still don't seem to get it. Let me break it down into simpler terms. We do note lose much by ultimately killing him in the end but wasting this entire day by just voting him and doing nothing else does not achieve anything. You consider what we're doing now a "waste"? Until I came into this thread how much actual discussion of players occurred? Until I started having this conversation with you how much do you really think you knew about the game? Are you really that naiive to think that me voting kush means I'm not going to do anything else for the rest of the day? That everyone else is going to simply accept my vote and then move on? That as scum I would be so stupid to vote for literally the easiest target in the game? [spoiler]author's note: why the fuck do I have to point everything out to you like this? I feel the need to, given that you come off as dense based on your responses to my questions. Try to think or at least read more carefully next time.[/spoiler[ Of course it is my job to change that as town and so it is yours (if you are town). Why do I have to do this and you don't? Again, are you thick? Until I voted kush what kind of discussion was happening? We're having some sort of discussion now, but it's fruitless because you can't see what I'm trying to do. I even gave Corazon the opportunity to open a conversation with me and he basically said "no you" and pouted. So I called him dumb, because he is. Now you are basically doing the same thing. Stop thinking about things on a surface level and start thinking about motivations. Think about WHY people would do things, not WHAT they are doing. Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad. Worse than random, in fact. It's because of shit like this. People don't know how to begin discussion, so sometimes you need to purposely kick them in the right direction by teasing them with information. With that said, THINK ABOUT A KUSH LYNCH/LYNCH EFFORT AND WHAT IT MEANS BEYOND JUST KILLING HIM. Replace Kush with any name if you wish, just think about more than just the alignment of the player in question. The game is bigger than just the killing of players of different alignments. Stop being so focused on the result of the lynch, because unless we have a really good lead today or stuff picks up right now we're probably going to kill a townie. That's just how it is. I don't think I can do anything about players like Kush right now because he is not here. Voting him won't change that. Reread what you just said and think about it some more, because this is honestly one of the dumbest things you could say. Have you never been in a game where people complain about the fact that so many people are lurking? If you truly think you can't do anything about lurkers then the best thing for scum to do when they see that is not contribute at all, because you have basically just admitted to the fact that you will not punish that play. If you seriously believe that, it's not only dumb but scummy as hell. | ||
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it means I could simply tell my team to conform and they would probably live, because it would only take minimal effort to stay alive. This is precisely why lurking wins scum games. If you want to make the job of scum hard you need to punish first and foremost lurking. If you don't understand why that is, then one or more of the following are true: 1. You are bad at scum 2. You are failing to understand things from the perspective of scum 3. You are failing to understand why saying or doing certain things as town will affect scum play and make their job easier or harder. | ||
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"We can lynch them later." No, you fucking can't. You don't punish lurkers, then there will be MORE OF THEM. In fact, a lot of the time they won't be town. If you don't force them to contribute by voting them or pressuring them or discouraging lurking early, then you can never do it. How is this so damn hard to understand? What makes it worse is the incessant whining about lurking on top of it, which is only really acceptable if people do something about it and lurkers still exist, which clearly is not the case. The thing I love about all of this is how often you repeat yourself. You keep saying that voting kush is pure policy. This screams "I don't understand the game" over and over. You keep thinking about the product of the lynch, as if my vote is guaranteed to stay there. You keep thinking solely about policy without thinking at all about other parts of the game. You also keep saying this stuff without once positing an alternative. If you can't understand these things my best course of action is to ignore you or try to kill you instead, which I'm not convinced is a good option. At the very least you are here discussing things, and no matter how bad/scummy your actions and words are that makes you one of the towniest of the lot. | ||
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yet, you have the gall to say that I am not doing anything to help town. Fuck you. | ||
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On January 08 2014 06:34 justanothertownie wrote: I had the impression you have reads on other people which you chose not to share. I think it is perfectly fine to critisize you for that regardless of what I may have or haven't contributed. And you continue to not read what I have to say. On January 08 2014 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny. On January 08 2014 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny. On January 08 2014 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny. On January 08 2014 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny. You admitted yourself that you have no reads of your own. Telling you mine doesn't help me, given that you are apparently incapable of coming up with your own opinions. If you don't want to say anything useful beyond "lynching kush is policy" and "you're not helping town" then I have no use for you. I can't comment on what you're doing either, given that you haven't bothered to vote, provide opinions, or say anything of use at all. | ||
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On January 08 2014 06:52 justanothertownie wrote: Oh, I have read that but it is bullshit. If everyone used this kind of logic nobody would ever share his reads and no scum would ever be caught. It is not about what helps you it is about what helps the town as a whole either by starting more useful discussion or by allowing us to get a read on you and your reads might do both. Anyways I am starting to get tired of this too. I don't think I can convince you. You can't convince me because you haven't convinced me that you actually care about the game. No one has, but all it would take is a bit of talking. You're more concerned with other things to waste time, despite how hard I've tried to get you to say something not stupid. In fact, this entire time you've been more concerned with how my vote is policy instead of actually doing something. Think town discussion is bad? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Not voting, crying about my "policy lynch", admitting you have no reads, saying my stance is bullshit-none of these things sound productive to me. If you rolled town I bet you'd be one of those guys in the endgame that complains about how hard day 1 is and how lurkers suck. | ||
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On January 08 2014 07:10 justanothertownie wrote: If all that is needed is a bit of talking then talk to me. But oh wait, you don't want to talk about what you think so it would rather be a monologue. Tell me something concrete you want to talk about and we can do this. Think town discussion is bad? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Right back at you. I already did something about it. Why do you think I keep calling you thick? I voted, unlike you. I actually provided an avenue for discussion by trying to punish lurking through the use of the most powerful weapon a townie has: vote power. I'll do more than that now. I want your opinions on WaveofShadow and Yamato. I swear though, if you pull a Corazon or continue your current attitude I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game. | ||
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