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On January 20 2014 09:28 gonzaw wrote: Not with that attitude, you don't.But I also don't have time to put baby oil all over my sweet muscles! :O Get oilin' | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: I gots a hard time hearing posts. Too much waxy buildup.He tried to warn people to be careful with how they enter the thread. You should have listened! I just don't consider sandroba saying "I'm going to read posts and try to find scum" to be a big reveal of a secret plan. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: *dancing queen blares through the stadium*I want more austin. Waiter, can I get some more austinmcc plz? GOOD LORD, THAT'S HIS MUSIC (how could I not find a clip of this or something similar on youtube?) I'll give you two thoughts and then you can ask me whatever. (1) I think your specific point against prom is the...most specific point against anyone. Lotta "doesn't quite feel right" or "is asking vapid questions", but I wholeheartedly agree that these two posts On January 21 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote: lol I'm really hoping you're not scum kita. Nah no reason to vote sandroba yet. Not only is there basically nothing to vote him for, I've seen what he's capable of as the game progresses (from PYP) and if he is town and plays this game anything like that, he'll start slow and then start bringing the pain to scum. On January 21 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: do not lead me to this justification from promAs far as I can tell, he doesn't respond to pressure on himself this early so it wouldn't matter. I only offered that as an aside anyway, my main reason for not wanting to vote him is because I literally don't see one. Hapa, do you see yourself getting shot N1 in this game? On January 21 2014 11:52 Promethelax wrote: WoS's "question" doesn't concern sandroba, or sandroba play, and is a throwaway silly question anyway. I currently have the score 1-0 VE on the issue of whether Promethelax justified his treating your posts and WoS's posts on Sandroba differently.WoS had a question that feels curious, in my experience curious people are more often town than scum. VE felt fluffy. WoS felt curious. Reasonable? No. True? Yes. Often accurate? Yes. (2) I think all this Foolishness stuff is ... foolishness. He's typed 4.3 words. A big discussion of his alignment based on 4.3 words feels very filler-y, and like nobody can build any particularly strong read on the guy or his play this game. So I don't care about foolishness for now. | ||
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I'm interested in whether Sandroba's scumdar pinged off anyone's entrance posts. If nothing else, can you give us a towniest/scummiest entrance post? (You're allowed to disregard my post entering the ring, because it's the towniest and nobody else has made a second entrance with stage music yet) Gonna look at a couple more things | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Wave's filter, apart from needing that correction made to his posts, is mostly mush. I do like his post calling giving specific reads on VE, hapa, though. He spoke with them a bit earlier in the day, and the talking --> reads for reasons looks townie to me at this point in the game. lol I'm really hoping you're not scum kita. Nah no reason to vote sandroba yet. Not only is there basically nothing to vote him for, I've seen what he's capable of as the game progresses (from PYP) and if he is town and plays this game anything like that, he'll accuse townaustin of being mafia and then work to get him lynched and then start bringing the pain to scum. Marv opened with ahoyhoy which means he's ancient. As far as the rest of his filter On January 21 2014 19:40 marvellosity wrote: Initial plan was to play similarly to the last numbered game I was in. I actually felt really good about my D1 just poking at people, trying to get reads, trying to get activity, and I think I do a decent job as activity/friendliness cop. However, that style doesn't translate to a game without a mayor, a smaller game, and a game where people are most likely all going to be active. So my plan to how I would approach D1 is unlikely to be how I actually approach it. austin dear, how are you planning on approaching day 1 this game? (last post I promise) marv, gimme some particular questions of kita's that you find wonky. I think I really like his filter, and perhaps there's fruitful discussion there | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:46 marvellosity wrote: Do you find Prome's justification for differentiating between VE and WoS's posts credible?austin the issue wasn't whether Prome justified the difference, but whether what he did makes him scummy or not. You're 1-0ing something that wasn't even really a point of contention | ||
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If you like Prome's explanation, I'm interested in hearing about that. If you don't, then you think Prome (1) is silly or (2) gave a false reason and/or (3) doesn't have a reason? If you don't like Prome's explanation and it's (2) or (3), then whether there was a point of contention or not is irrelevant, except that it SHOULD be a point of contention. In my book, making up or having a very weak justification for treating in a different manner two people who do the same thing is a scummy thing (which is the mindset I find myself in at the moment, that yes, what he did was scummy because I don't buy that justification) | ||
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On January 22 2014 04:44 sandroba wrote: So you think WoS shows some sort of curiousity or curious question, especially concerning you, around that time?I actually don't have a problem with prom/wos interaction in particular, that first post and fishing for hapa's comment on it is what fells weird and scripted to me. I'd like to hear from hapa if he thinks it felt fake too. Beyond dat, any gold mined from entrance posts? | ||
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On January 22 2014 04:55 sandroba wrote: Okeedoke. Maybe we're working in two directions here. I'm mostly poking at the VE/Prome interaction, not a WoS/Prome interaction.He doesn't care about me at that time, as there is no reason to. The points he raises about prom's post later pretty much are the same thoughts I had when I read it, so I don't think he merits my attention so far. Nothing besides prom and maaaybe gonzaw. VE asks Prome why Prome kinda on VE's case about saying you're not gonna respond to pressure, bla bla, whatever, but is NOT on WoS's case when WoS says you're not gonna respond to pressure, bla bla, whatever. Prome says On January 21 2014 11:52 Promethelax wrote: If you don't think WoS cares about you, and I pretty much agree that he's not racking his brain for magical Sandroba thoughts, then you think Promethelax is manufacturing his distinction, given that WoS isn't actually curious about you or anything? Or you simply don't care about this Prome/VE interaction at all, or don't care about Prome's reasons, or any other "I am Sandroba and I don't really put much stock into this VE/Prome stuff"WoS had a question that feels curious, in my experience curious people are more often town than scum. VE felt fluffy. WoS felt curious. Reasonable? No. True? Yes. Often accurate? Yes. I'm not looking at WoS with this, or WoS/Prome, so much as I'm trying to zero in on the singular post by Prome where he says WoS asks this curious question which I cannot find. | ||
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On January 22 2014 06:35 gonzaw wrote: Can't speak for holy, but with me, it's that given the full menu of anything anyone could be doing, discussion of Foolishness's alignment doesn't seem like a good idea to me.Then you have people like Holy or austin saying "Leave Foo alone! You can't do anything until he posts more!". That is what I call bullshit. I don't personally feel confident about reading THOSE 3-4 posts as alignment indicative, and don't feel comfortable with reading Foolishness right now. I don't understand anyone else feeling like the BEST read they can get on some scummy dudes is Foolishness. Mainly though, it seems like...good material for scum to post on. Weigh in that he's town, scum, a crocodile, whatever. You can say whatever you want about Foolishness, discuss his alignment until you're blue in the face, but really it comes down to "I think this thing about these 3-4 trolly/nothingposts." Given that, I think it's a more productive topic for scum (they get to post, give reads, but I don't anticipate anyone being lynched later on based primarily/heavily on whatever stance they took on Foolishness right at this second), than it is for town. That's why I don't think discussion should be centered on Foolishness, or heavily concerned with him. I care somewhat about him and his posting, but mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness. | ||
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On January 22 2014 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: Right now just in general. Usually I have a list of things to go back and look for, and this would be on it, but I have not parsed through people who have been super super Foo-focused to see if any look particularly red.Is this directed at any individual in specific or are you just suggesting that the opportunity is there? | ||
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On January 22 2014 07:05 gonzaw wrote: The only game I've played with town Foolishness, I was scum. He and marv flung shit at each other for a while, we/I stoked the fires heavily, and we won a flawless victory. I have never seen miraculous town foolishness, and I'm also an idiot sometimes, so yeah...I'm happy to go against Foolishness as scum. ESPECIALLY in an all-vanilla game, if someone is really a problem you can shoot them and never worry about a doc or getting watched or anything else.The thing is, that when it comes down to Foo', his 3-4 posts are indeed alignment indicative. I also feel, that if Foo is town, unless there is a huge town mob against him they wouldn't really think about going against him. I mean, Town Foo is Town Foo, he'll get those scummers. Would you, as scum, freely go against a Town Foo, for Town Foo later to catch you and crucify you? If Foo is somehow town, then he did leave himself open for scum to have "good material to post on", but I don't think a scummer would feel so confident on going against him like he'd do any random lurker from any other random game. Also, at the very worst, follow this maxim: Sheep marv  Anyways....I kind of feel biased towards this whole "scum Foo" thing, maybe with my VE and Holy reads as well (which interestingly are related to the Foolishness thing as well). I would appreciate new takes on those 2 from other people. I actually like point 2 on holy's post about hapa (the backpedaling) and kinda sorta like the contradictory NO LURKERS --> why you guys voting this lurker/that lurker/any lurker stuff. Mainly still just want to see him and hapa chatting in a vacuum right now though. | ||
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On January 22 2014 07:24 gonzaw wrote: Yup, Personality 2.Which game are you talking about? I think maybe you are talking about Personality Mafia 2? I put that filter in the links I posted before. | ||
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On January 22 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote: Fair enough. We're keying in on different questions. I'm kind of pro-stupid/easy question biased, but yeah, those are relatively simple and aren't in line with the ones I'm noticing. I was more focused on particular points where he really appears to be questioning things I think a townie would be questioning, or is looking at something I think deserves looking at. On a whole, not all the questions fit that mold. austin: I said I was ok with this explanation originally, but mulling it over it doesn't make much sense to me. Kinda weakly attacks me on a dumb basis, and the defence posts? People of either alignment are gonna make comments about how I play (early) Day 1 Anyways the bolded was one of the questions I was talking about. I find it hard to describe but meh. It's like leading by giving options... just weird phrasing. Just a really odd way of asking Wave about his lacklustre start, don't you think? Obvious and leading. Again obvious and leading. Again, it's giving binary options... like providing a wrong and right answer. None of these by themselves really suggests that much, but there's so many of them. All leading, or weirdly phrased, or kinda obvious questions. Odd. What I actually find suspicious of kita in light of recent posts is how he's attacking gonzaw. gonzaw has been looking pretty town to me lately, he's eager, lots of big posts, he's commenting on a lot of players, he's suspicious of a lot of players with decent grounds, and yet kita is nitpicking at him for his vote on Foolish compared to kita's. That's unnatural and it's not how I'm viewing the game and it doesn't feel right at all. For me, there's enough other stuff in there that I don't mind those questions terribly. The VE/hapa bit that you note is obvious and leading, I'm alright with the fact that Kita answers VE's question, has been reading VE and hapa's exchange, and asks VE about a particular facet of a hapa read. The other ones not quite so much, but overall I found enough questions that i LIKE in his posts to discount the ones that are weak and either don't go anywhere or yell THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT WITH A ? AT THE END | ||
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