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6 possible balance changes - David Kim

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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 20:25:27
September 23 2013 18:23 GMT
#1
Update: See this thread.

We've been considering putting together an off-season patch that could follow the WCS Finals at BlizzCon, in hopes of increasing diversity in StarCraft II. Before we make any big decisions, we’d like to play some balance test maps with you, to see how some stark changes play out. As always, this isn’t final. This is testing.

So here are the changes we're currently considering testing:

Mech ground and air attack upgrades combined

We've been looking at this for a long time now, and it feels like a solid step in the right direction.

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Widow mine splash radius decreased from 1.75 to 1.1

We'd like to push out the Widow Mine a little bit and bump up the Siege Tank so that bio play becomes more interesting. Ultimately, we believe a mix of Widow Mines and Siege Tanks with your bio army will be a lot more fun to watch than just Widow Mines with bio alone.

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Siege tank attack period decreased from 3 to 2.7

Bio play may be more interesting with the Widow Mine change and this buff. Not only that, we believe Terran mech armies can be a lot more viable because faster attack speed naturally means Siege Tanks will be better against their hard counters.

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Oracle cost decreased from 150/150 to 150/100

Protoss feels like it has been playing too defensively (outside of Warp Prism harasses). We’re seeing Oracles only being used in the early game, and not much during any other stage of the game. We hope by reducing the gas cost of the Oracle, they’ll be used more throughout the game.

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Dark Templar movement speed increased from 2.813 to 3.375

We believe that Dark Templars could be more interesting to watch if it's not just a matter of the opponent being prepared or not. Even when their opponents are prepared, we believe by increasing Dark Templar’s movement speed, there could be more interesting interactions, such as dodging out of detection range more often

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Roach speed upgrade also increases the burrowed roach movement speed from 1.41 to 2.25

We just don’t see Tunneling Claws coming into play much. There’s some really cool micro potential with burrow-moving Roaches, and we'd like to see how this goes in a test map.

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Again -- none of these are final adjustments, and we’re considering others. We're probably going to publish a balance test map soon, so please give us your feedback as soon as possible.

As always, thank you very much!


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10038734466#1
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GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:25:01
September 23 2013 18:24 GMT
#2
DT change so Random WTF. All the other changes seem cool though
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:26:08
September 23 2013 18:24 GMT
#3
Dark Templar as fast as speed Warp Prisms? That sounds like a bad idea.

I think the splash decrease is a bit too drastic, the tank buff might be neat, dunno.

Cheaper Oracles for even more Toss all-ins? Yeah right..
Yamato
Profile Joined February 2010
United States33 Posts
September 23 2013 18:25 GMT
#4
Whoa what the....not what I expected. Nothing to help carriers though?
frontline-
Profile Joined March 2012
Bulgaria281 Posts
September 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#5
And here comes the complains about Protoss getting buffs!

Obviously only T/Z should be buffed
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:27:09
September 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#6
Keep in mind this is what they want to test. Nothing here is final. I wonder how big of a deal 3 to 2.7 attack speed is.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
September 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#7
fast dts and cheep oracles sounds good to me!
i think the mine radius is a good nerf too.
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sacade
Profile Joined January 2013
166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:55:23
September 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#8
tank buff

edit:
Mech ground and air attack upgrades combined: no need

Widow mine splash radius decreased from 1.75 to 1.1: good thing but maybe too much.

Siege tank attack period decreased from 3 to 2.7: hell it's about time !

Oracle cost decreased from 150/150 to 150/100: That will improve cheese, not late game use

Dark Templar movement speed : no need; Maybe a slight buff is alright but definitely not that much

Roach speed upgrade also increases the burrowed roach movement speed from 1.41 to 2.25: we never see it use so why not?
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
September 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#9
they should just give DTs blink already.
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VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
September 23 2013 18:27 GMT
#10
A change to the tank. Thank you based Blizzard.

DT change, hmm, they already seem to move out of detection range quite a few times (Especially in the chaos created by having them at multiple bases), interested to see how that works out in the tests.
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pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:28:21
September 23 2013 18:27 GMT
#11
A minor tank buff in exchange for crippling mine splash?
I can't believe I ever defended Blizzard sanity.

And nice to see a 'stfu about mech already' change.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
September 23 2013 18:28 GMT
#12
Cant this post be moved to the Designated Balance Discussion Thread?
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
September 23 2013 18:28 GMT
#13
seems legit besides dt buff. wtf?! and i think the radius nerf is a bit to harsh.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:42:00
September 23 2013 18:28 GMT
#14
the Tunneling claws change sounds hillarious but perhaps not very balanced. I dont understand the dt change at all, why make cheese more powerful/forgiving? if you mess up and move into detection range you should be punished for it. Love the WM change, It'll make pushing onto creep for T a lot harder .


The siege tank buff wont change much in TvZ but perhaps improve mech somewhat in TvP.

air and ground upgrades combined; I dont know kev... on one hand, mech could use a buff, on the other hand, skyterran is so incredibly strong (Id say op but we never see skyterran in progames ever ) I dont think it should be any easier to transition into Sky.

SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 23 2013 18:28 GMT
#15
Added polls to the OP.
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ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 18:30:02
September 23 2013 18:28 GMT
#16
What's with protoss buffs?

Obviously, only T/Z should be buffed!

But seriously, I don't like these changes too much. What exactly do they accomplish?
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 23 2013 18:29 GMT
#17
Fast DTs and Fast burrowed roaches, some weird ass shit right there.
I like the upgrades and oracle buff though
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
September 23 2013 18:29 GMT
#18
Well protoss is going to be alot more annoying in teamgames. The two most common toss openings in 3:3 are buffed.
The terran changes seems quite fine since the "look away for a second and lose all your lings" should be decreased.
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coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
September 23 2013 18:29 GMT
#19
Why buff protoss wth
ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
September 23 2013 18:29 GMT
#20
Dt speed is already enough especially now when they are dirt cheap. Make protoss more cheesy? What an awesome change David, clap clap. Unfuckingbelievable. Next balance patch: DTs dont cost gas because protoss needs more harras
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