Newbie Mini Mafia XLVIII

I'd say it will depend on the lurker ratio. But it's a small game, so I will agree we need pretty low lurker tolerance.

Anyone played with each other before

@Zaragon: I agree on bereft, he's been active, contributing and putting out strategy ideas and generally behaving as one would expect a townie to behave. I also feel the same as you about heavenz: we just don't have enough to get a solid read one way or the other.

Playerboy though, I'd like to hear more about this. What makes him seem town to you? I'm not really getting much one way or the other.

Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads.

On September 26 2013 16:26 MLuneth wrote:
Time for my first scum read: heavenz

I think he is scum because:

• Willingness to bring up useless information/ ask for pointless information that is irrelevant to the scumhunt
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  On September 26 2013 00:25 heavenz wrote:
  here's our last newby game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426146
  Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia.
  
  So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well.
  
  Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals.
  
  So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage.

  
  
  
  
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  On September 26 2013 00:49 heavenz wrote:
  gogogo, everybody post something
  
  have you participated in games before this? What are your experiences with tl mafia games?
  
  
  In regards to your first post I feel that the last game is pretty irrelevant as hopefully they learned something in between game. Furthermore, this information is even more useless if they are scum, in which case it can put us off them completely.
  On your second point we really don't want everyone posting their previous experiences of mafia as it just clogs up the thread.
  He wants to clog up the thread, a scum tell
  
  
• A willingness to lynch lurkers
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  On September 25 2013 23:14 heavenz wrote:
  the reason why it's a good strat to threaten to lynch all lurkers is to not have any lurkers in the first place. Nothing is easier for scum then just to drop a few summaries and make a post about who they suspect and then stay out of everything for the most part.
  
  What he leaves out in this good plan of his is that lynching lurkers gives us no information and therefore completely wastes the lynch, meaning that mafia gets to kill someone effectively for free
  He wants us to waste our lynch, a scum tell
  

On September 26 2013 17:25 MLuneth wrote:
It's true that we could get lucky, but I feel that it's rather unlikely as

On September 26 2013 21:34 BajaBlood wrote:
Both Jayte and xIvanJ are lurking, but there's two reasons for my apparent favoritism:

(1) When I wrote to defend Jayte, it was well under 24 hours since the game started. Since at that point I didn't know people's typical active times, I figured there was a chance he would become active in the next short period. It'd been a full 24 hours since the game opened when I brought up xIvanJ's inactivity - whatever his schedule is he should have had a chance to contribute by then.

(2) Not only has xIvanJ only written one post, I don't like it's content either. Whether or not we actually execute a policy lynch, I dislike stating that we should tolerate lurking; there has to be pressure on lurkers.

This isn't set in stone, but for now I'm gonna ##Vote: xIvanJ.

Jayte didn't really take advantage of the window of time I offered him in (1), and the second post he made wasn't particularly helpful. As it stands, I don't really care for Jayte either, but I'm not going to go back on my gut just because I've been accused of unreasonably defending him.

For now, I will sincerely hope for some good analysis from xIvanJ so that I can remove this vote.

On September 26 2013 20:57 stormtemplar wrote:
Darn it playerboy, why did you have to go and post all that good analysis and make me look like an idiot for saying you don't post much useful information.

Secondly, I've been trying to contribute but I haven't had much in the way of reads previously. At the time I really wasn't feeling anyone as scum, and Zaragon pretty much summed up my views.

However, as to your point about me just joining Zaragon on playerboy, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not really feeling zaragon's read on him. I'm not getting solid town vibes out of him at all. He's contributed rather minimally. (7 of his posts are 1-2 lines with maybe a quote.)

The last point you made would only be true if all the scums are active and are not lurkers.