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GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars
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Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:04 Dandel Ion wrote: oh hey a meaningless post without reads by snb quelle surprise why/how are you lord? cause everyone else in my house thinks i'm town Anyway now that i'm not posting from phone anymore, I wanted to bring a new topic to the thread's attention. That topic is: Clarity_nl. This is an edited/paraphrased version of a pm I sent to someone else in my house. Oh BTW I checked with the hosts and apparently we're not even allowed to quote pms from one person in pms to another person. I don't think they've said that in the thread yet though. I've also removed the names of the other people in my house. I don't think it's important to keep them secret because scum almost certainly knows who is in which house; they probably have members in most houses, and if there are multiple houses they don't have people in, they already know who the lord is and I doubt the other members will be secret for long. But since there's no actual advantage to revealing this either at this moment, I redacted them until we make a decision as a group. [snip] anyway yes there has been some interesting stuff going on. REDACTED said he was going to tell you also but i'll give you a summary. (I asked the hosts, we're not allowed to copy content from one pm into another pm so I can't just give you the chain of messages). I told clarity my role name, and told him not to tell anyone. I also told him he should vote for me because of my role claim, he said no but that my role claim gave me townie points because it could be counterclaimed. Clarity then told REDACTED my role name, and when asked why he said that i told him i was going to tell REDACTED myself eventually. that was not true. He said he told REDACTED because he was curious what REDACTED would say about it. then when i pushed him on why he told REDACTED and why he lied about what I told him, he said he was making a gambit himself. he ignored the part about why he lied to REDACTED about my statement until i asked him for a third time, when he said he misunderstood the post where i told him to keep it a secret. he eventually said that he was testing my reaction by ruining my gambit intentionally to see if i got angry or not (apparently he thought a townie would get angry and scum would not). A few things to note here: 1. he told me at first that he was curious about what REDACTED would say about my role name claim. then later he told me that he was testing my reaction. 2. he ignored the part about why he told REDACTED that i said i was going to tell everyone eventually, until the third time i asked about it. 3. he never actually asked me what my plan or gambit was, either before or after he intentionally ruined it. There was no actual plan, i just decided to tell my role name to him and not to REDACTED and see what happened because i don't actually think role names are important, if the hosts are not stupid then scum will either have benign role names or will have safe claims. But the thing is, he ruined my plan without finding out what it was first, and then even after he claimed that he intentionally ruined my plan, he never asked what it was. 4. this is just my feeling, but i feel like he was being excessively casual when i first started asking him why he told REDACTED my rolename when i told him not to, he said *shrug* and wasn't acting like it mattered that he told REDACTED. [snip] | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol Oberyn, did you even read my post? Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town.. not a huge problem, his logic makes sense. he's saying it's poor play for a townie to take that action, but it doesn't make sense for a scum member to take it so it's more likely coming from a bad townie than from scum. | ||
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- ryan's read on "ft", given the facts in his post - my read on clarity, given the facts in my post - chromatically's read on solstice, given the facts in his post | ||
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he told someone else without asking me why i said to keep it a secret and without trying to figure out if ruining my plan would hurt town. he also lied to them, telling them i said i would tell them anyway (i didnt). then when I asked him why he told them, he first said it was cause he was curious what they would say. i pushed him on it, three or four pms later he said he wanted to ruin my plan on purpose and see my reaction. that's the contradiction i also asked him why he lied to the other person, he ignored the question twice and then said it was by accident. that's the evasion. | ||
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one of the bigger problems for me is why he didn't try to find anything out about what my "plan" was before he intentionally ruined it. Also why he first said it was just because he was curious about what the other person would think, and then later said he did it on purpose to test my reaction. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Because your reaction was ongoing. Do you believe I'm scum? If so, and I've asked this before, please explain how what I've done so far is scum motivated. i talked about this a bit with REDACTED involved, what i thought was this: - you could have been worried about my plan and just tried to ruin it - you could have been trying to buddy-up to REDACTED by sharing information with him (like, i trust you you trust me let's be bros) - you could have just slipped or not really thought it through before you did it, sometimes both town and scum do stupid things. if this is what happened though, and you were town, you wouldn't have told REDACTED that I was going to share the information anyway, and you wouldn't have told me that it was a ''reaction test". btw, to the thread: in the interest of open discussion, it is true that REDACTED has a townread on clarity for reasons to do with something other than what we're talking about here. I wasn't convinced by the things that convinced REDACTED. At the moment I think clarity is scum, but I'm still evaluating that read and want to hear what other people think. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:54 Clarity_nl wrote: I thought he told me he was telling everyone. He didn't. I don't get how snb's conclusion is that I'm scum. Like, did I, as scum, understand you were only telling me and then decided to lie to REDACTED (lol), telling him you were telling everyone? How does that help me as scum? Obviously it'll come back to you and I'll get called out for lying. so I had to ask you the question "why did you tell REDACTED that I was going to share the information anyway" like three times before you answered. Basically, the conclusion that you're scum comes from the fact that your actions don't make sense as town. I guess it's true that if it really was a "reaction test" then you would have to lie at first and say you just told the other person because you were curious. So I guess the contradiction point doesn't hold. But still, for me to believe you're town I have to believe that you - actually thought i was going to tell the rest of the house members eventually, but still knew that I didn't want you to tell them yet - actually decided that rather than letting me do whatever I was doing, or even find out about it, it was a better idea for you to do your plan - didn't notice the above question the first two times i asked it - didn't think this whole thing was important enough to tell the fourth house member about when he came in (he said he asked you if anything interesting was going on and you just told him about some stuff between you and REDACTED) - etc. | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I think me ruining snb's "experiment" isn't even his issue. It's the "lie" which was simply a mistake. So..... let's move on, yes? A couple of people here can tell you that when I'm town I tend to shine green and when I'm scum I tend to... not shine so green. there are still stumbling blocks to accepting your decision making process came from town. For example, the decision to kill my plan without knowing what it was, by replacing it with your own early-game plan doesn't make sense to me. the fact that you ignored my question about lying the first two times. etc. However, maybe the best way forward is for you to talk some about the other stuff going on in the thread atm, and everyone can form reads on you based on the thread? | ||
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On August 09 2013 07:21 Vivax wrote: @ Clarity: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote: I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake. Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction. I think S & B said that you claimed to have lied to him to get a reaction. Is the representation correct? yes but there are two different things that could be called lies. one is that he told oats my real name because he was curious, when actually he told him that to kill my "plan" on purpose to get a reaction from me. the other is that he told oats I was going to reveal my rolename to the whole house anyway, when that was not in fact correct. | ||
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On August 09 2013 07:55 Vivax wrote: Yeah you're right actually, he went from casual explanations to more sofisticated ones once under pressure, that's quite scummy, but what feel do you gain from his in-thread activity, for example?Do you think that it's scummy too? I don't think you have only to consider the content of their PMs to get a read on Koshi and Dandel. Do you have at least a tentative read on the two? in thread activity: not noticeably scummy, no. I want to give him time to do some actual scumhunting and then re-evaluate my read. koshi and dandel: I think dandel is probably town, in my experience when he's scum he doesn't actually try to persuade people he is town (or play the game at all, really). Koshi I don't have much to read since his entire filter is yelling at DI and oatsmaster. I don't think you can call him scum for being frustrated with DI or with oats. But it would be much better if he would post about something other than those fights. I wouldn't say he's scum for evading, because he's been responding to things in the thread etc; but he needs to move past the DI thing and step it up. | ||
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On phone today so I'll be less active in pms than I was for the past several days. I want my house to pm me though and explain who they want me to vote for and why. Currently I'm not liking clarity as a lynch target anymore. I also don't want to lynch oatsmaster. It looks like the sol case is winding down a bit but I will retread those parts before the lynch. More later | ||
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On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote: So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. | ||
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On August 10 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: So "I do this as town, too!' is your only defense? Last time I heard that, a SCUM PLAYER was getting lynched D1 in Catch 22. no you fucker my defense is that i have been way, way more active than many people in this game, including you. | ||
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So ##vote: onegu | ||
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