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CrystalDrag
Profile Joined July 2010
173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 01:14:20
July 23 2013 01:29 GMT
#1
Hi everybody. This is CrystalDrag from BWMN.net with another map.

[image loading]

Basics~~
*Map Size : 128x128
*Tileset : Space
*Players : 4
*Symmetry : x/y/xy
*Buildability : + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

*Walkability : + Show Spoiler +
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Notable Features~~
*Terrain ; first map ever to use every possible different terrain for space.
*Low ground mains ; promote early aggression/expansion
*Main's minerals ; the three minerals farthest from each SL have been moved 8 pixels closer.
*Natural gas ; the position of the gas in relation to the wall prevents zerglings
*Islands ; can be taken in longer games, or when trouble expanding.
*Terrain levels ; the terrain in the middle is very important for strategic position of armies as well as unit movement. control of higher ground than the opponent is very important.

Change Log
v1.1
+ Show Spoiler +
*All far mineral fields at each expansion have been moved 8 pixels closer.
*North island has been moved up one tile.
*Middle expansions have been moved closer to the middle
*Critters added
*Observer Version added
*SLs have been moved two tiles further away from the cliff.

v1.2
+ Show Spoiler +
*Resources debugging
*Mains moved 2 tiles away from cliffs

v1.3
+ Show Spoiler +
*North island has been fixed (^^')
*Terrain reduced behind the middle thirds

v1.4
+ Show Spoiler +
*Tank holes fixed
*Name lowercased
*now reads the initial 9 metals of "Mistborn" in description

v1.5
+ Show Spoiler +
*Lobby Version Fixed
*Critter added to middle
*Picture not updated.

v1.6
+ Show Spoiler +
*Tile space balancing : The bottom mains now should have equal spacing with the top mains.
Was done by :
1.)Setting the map to 128x130 dimension
2.)Filling in the 2 missing rows
3.)Copy/Paste the entire bottom half of map up two tiles
4.)Move the resources and doodads into proper position.
*Main picture updated. Other two not updated.

Download from this page.

Thoughts/comments/criticism/trolling?
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
July 23 2013 01:32 GMT
#2
Sure is 1 base play all day long. No small choke so that means zerglings will rule this map.
Flash should fear Sacsri
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
July 23 2013 01:39 GMT
#3
I don't think it'll be ruled by Zerglings, considering that the choke is probably the same size as Andromeda, and Zerglings were not the biggest factor in Zerg having so much success. I just think if the Zerg spawned adjacent to his/her opponent, builds like 2hatch muta would be much more effective.

Also, I think that the gas in the expo above/below the island expo can be shelled by tanks...
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 23 2013 02:12 GMT
#4
Aesthetically I think it looks neat, but taking a third in nearly every matchup is going to be ridiculously hard with vertical spawns. That base feels so far away and super wide open.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
CrystalDrag
Profile Joined July 2010
173 Posts
July 23 2013 02:43 GMT
#5
Yes i noticed this while playing a PvZ, forced the Z to take an expansion between the two mains which was easy to put pressure on. I could try blocking with some stacked PSI distruptors initially?
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
July 23 2013 03:29 GMT
#6
did anyone else who has read Mistborn do a double take?
brood war for life, brood war forever
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
July 23 2013 04:11 GMT
#7
On July 23 2013 12:29 Crunchums wrote:
did anyone else who has read Mistborn do a double take?

Now that you mention it I do haha
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 08:56:50
July 23 2013 08:26 GMT
#8
On July 23 2013 11:43 CrystalDrag wrote:
Yes i noticed this while playing a PvZ, forced the Z to take an expansion between the two mains which was easy to put pressure on. I could try blocking with some stacked PSI distruptors initially?

If you are talking about our game yersterday, that was only because I wasn't concentrated, thought I was ZvT, thus got my 3rd at the cross spawn natural up late, and had no lings or colony up when your stupid first lot arrived...

So for Zerg it should definitely be alright, and T/P can easily just take the island as a 3rd.

However, I still feel cheated on, because 3 still has 1 mineral patch too less, compared to 9!
OK, forget about that, I did not look close enough. But 3 should have the minerals grouped 3 - 4, too, to balance out worker migration for those expos, anyway.

There are some issues with free spaces behind the formations at 6 and 12. First of, gas miners could get stuck (mainly 12, but also at 1 spot at 6), secondly opportunities for drops, (especially lurker drops) behind the minerals are way too different for those both positions (due to the different terrain types used). Maybe you can just move the whole formations some tiles towards the middle, and probably you should also put the geysers to a side position, even though that would give up the symmetry.
Those two changes combined would also fix tankability issues from the islands.

I uploaded a sketched out update for you.
You should also really start using fry's 128x126 symmetry comepensation trick, especially with low ground mains.
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
July 23 2013 12:13 GMT
#9
looks like a very hard map to do muta harass on.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#10
Thanks for putting the effort in. New maps are always wlecome.
CrystalDrag
Profile Joined July 2010
173 Posts
July 23 2013 12:48 GMT
#11
@Crunchums and Birdie
I read that series too c:

@Freakling
if you see a scouting probe...
and I already got some fixes up ahead, but I'll look at your sketch.

@kerpal
tried to balance by having the middle open to flanks, and also the main Is on low ground.

@Greg_J
Thanks

@art_of_turtle
not as open as python...
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 14:20:35
July 23 2013 14:20 GMT
#12
WOW top job man, really well done I love it. Nats are great, 3rds are ballanced (not too easy, not too hard, fair), centre's not just flat. How much of an effect does pixel-shifting the main minerals have, I've not seen that before but it must make it more fair. Loving the gas being useable for ling-proof naturals [:
Would it be possible to vertically squash the islands a bit to give a bit more space behind the middle expos? I can't wait to drop in the exposed corner of the main, just the right size and spot
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10666 Posts
July 23 2013 16:40 GMT
#13
hmmm nice map really nice, it seems to me like siege tanks will be really strong on this map though due to all the ledges and low / high ground, unless I am viewing it incorrectly? Amazing job though really, I think this map looks very nice!
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
July 23 2013 16:52 GMT
#14
You've come a long way from that little guy I met who was brand new to mapmaking
I see many of my favorite elements from your very first maps in this one, although in a new light.
Very well done my friend.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
July 23 2013 17:24 GMT
#15
seems really sexy at a first glance. gj
Enjoy the game
CrystalDrag
Profile Joined July 2010
173 Posts
July 23 2013 18:00 GMT
#16
@biTl.man yes I am takijg some space from islands
@GGzerG siege tanks can be... But a large majority of center is rusty pit and the solar array which is unbuildable
@3FFA thanks
@Techincs and know you know who I am? Xp thanks you
CrystalDrag
Profile Joined July 2010
173 Posts
July 24 2013 00:03 GMT
#17
Map Has Been Updated to v1.1
Changes are in the op
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 24 2013 03:39 GMT
#18
Looks sexy.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 06:55:15
July 24 2013 06:54 GMT
#19
very good looking map!

wish it was played at some higher levels !

it needs some testing, and promotion imo.
T H C makes ppl happy
CrystalDrag
Profile Joined July 2010
173 Posts
July 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#20
Map Has Been Updated to v1.2
Changes are in the op
Will start to host on iCCup in the future
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