Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 08 2013 23:21 GMT

#120

/in

I've played a little mafia on other forums in the past, and watching esports mafia made me decide to stop lurking and play in a game. Assuming players are still needed ofc.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 12 2013 14:43 GMT

#213

What actions go through if the person who is doing the action is killed during that night? I.e. medic save, vigi kill, and jailer save/ roleblock.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 12 2013 23:33 GMT

#262

While I agree that we should lynch someone if they are super scummy, I'd like to point out that voting for no lynch is an option. Assuming I'm interpreting the rules/setup right, mafia only has 1 kp so there's no immediate motive for lynching such as reducing kp. It may be a stronger play to not lynch and hope that cop(if there is one) gets a turn to check before lynch. It is a risk though because I believe we are not guaranteed to have a cop. Just an idea I wanted to throw out and get your guys' thoughts on.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 00:53 GMT

#326

To address some things, especially umasi I guess. I apologize for not answering sooner, the other forums I have played on move much slower and there arent 2 and a half pages of posts after being gone for just 3-4 hours. I would be annoyed at your pushing but I think in general its a good town move as it forces information out of people. All I was saying is that, to me, we have a higher chance of lynching town than mafia. We may also end up outing a role prematurely by pushing for a day one lynch. The games that I've played/followed where mafia has 1 kp it's standard to not lynch day one. Here there is no guarantee of cop so it's different, that's why I was asking about others' opinions and not saying we 100% should do it. Sorry if you felt my post was irrelevant but no one else had even pointed it out as an option. I feel like I'm just re stating what I already said in my previous post, not sure what else you want.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 01:05 GMT

#336

On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote:
Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads?

At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 03:24 GMT

#381

On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote:

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Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active.

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It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted.

Also looking at Kirby.

Lurkers be lurking.

As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet.

Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of.

I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 03:30 GMT

#386

Woops misposted. I meant that it was suspicious I was on top of Xzaviers scum list, not that he was ready to lynch me. He said he wouldnt vote for me yet, but to me it read as he would still be okay with lynching me. One is my interpretation, one is what he literally said.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 14:56 GMT

#474

To be fair to Umasi, he has stopped tunneling on me in terms of asking me stuff since I gave my 3rd or 4th post explaining my reads/ logic. I'd still like to here some more from Hzflank, cloud 9, night cat and other lurkers I've forgotten. Koshi and Gotard have euro time zones so it makes sense that they weren't active early on, and right now they are trying to contribute something so they're town reads for me.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 19:29 GMT

#498

Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone.In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them.

As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 19:37 GMT

#501

Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far?

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 19:45 GMT

#504

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 19:51 GMT

#507

I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 20:14 GMT

#516

Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us. I'm trying to get reads, but nothing is super strong so I'm not going to jump to lynch someone. I would vote for xzavier right now because he's my strongest read, but thats because we have to vote not because I feel he's 100% scum It really hurts us to lynch town day one, which is the same reason I brought up the idea of no lynching, and the same reason I'm trying to relieve pressure from myself.

That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 20:47 GMT

#528

On July 14 2013 05:17 Umasi wrote:

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You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp

You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die"

It goes without saying that I could be relieving pressure from myself because I'm mafia. If I pointed it out in my post it would just seem like I'm prematurely covering for myself and change nothing. Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say I haven't been scumhunting I said I haven't gotten a read a feel confident enough to push a lynch for. And obviously I'm trying not to die, everyone doesn't want to die day one regardless of alignment. Both because it would hurt your team and you wouldnt get to play as long.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 13 2013 21:03 GMT

#536

Yeah just forgot about voting thread rules. This is a newbie game remember.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 14 2013 18:45 GMT

#649

On July 14 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote:

To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting

That is how scum plays and that is not how town plays.

##Vote: Superfluous

Okay I have a decent amount of things to say starting with responding to this. As I said was at a concert last night etc.

Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. Mafia and town play very similarly because they both want to be viewed as town (obviously). Not only that, but you are are completely wrong about the last two points anyway. If you look at my posts I pretty explicitly state that I have reads but that I didn't feel confident enough to vote yet. The reason I voted was because I didn't want to get modkilled for not voting b/c I was exhausted from real life activity and ended up sleeping until like 4 pm. How can you say one of my main priorities is finding a person to vote for when my very first post brought up the idea of no lynching. My reads on you and Xzavier have been half based on your actual writing and half based on gut, and I don't quite expect to be able to convince everyone else to vote for either of you yet. Especially when Xzavier has barely posted anything.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 14 2013 19:05 GMT

#660

Koshi's play also really jumps out at me. He doesn't seem to be interested in sharing his logic, and when he does it just feels like "well we should have a lynch and people seem to think jrkirby and super are scummy so I'll go with that".

This post

Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in.

I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case.

Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead.

and this post

Can we get a Super lynch going? Chromatically could you please consider this? Don't you think that Kirby is better for town if both Kirby and Super are at this point equally scum? Kirby posts much better than Super, if Kirby is scum I feel like it will be easier to catch him later on than Super.
I see that you guys (StiM, Croma) are thinking that I am scum. It's fine by me, we can discuss it later, I am not going to stop posting, I am during Europe times online A LOT, you can keep grilling me.

Both set off alarm bells for me even though I can somewhat see where they could come from in a town position. The logic in bold makes very little sense to me and those are also super-leading questions trying to get Chroma to turn on me.

Also thanks to Chroma for understanding my logic/playstyle. You can never trust someone in mafia but you at least defended me when I was gone.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 14 2013 19:11 GMT

#664

I'll stick by my early read and say that jkirby is sporadic and unpredictable. He could be a liability late game as this play could easily be jumped on by mafia to make a case for him being scum. That said I do think he's town. The only thing that makes me suspicious of him is association; for instance how Koshi is trying to get a lynch on me going in alternative to him when in his post he says there is an equal chance we are scum. But no point in voting on pre-flip associations as someone previously said.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 14 2013 19:23 GMT

#675

Mostly experience. People who play the way he is this game normally either get mislynched early on and flip town, or survive till end game where mafia convince other townies that he's scum. He has tunneled a bit. I also don't really see his goals in his actions but I atrribute that to sporadic play not scumminess. It'd be in his interest to vote me if he were maf considering some people seem to view this as a him-or-me situation, and he hasn't done that yet either. Thinking about it I'm not sure he would be the biggest loss to town, but I obviously try to refrain from voting off town early on. It may be worth lynching him to get info as well, but I'm really really torn on that end.

Superfluous

United States70 Posts

July 14 2013 19:35 GMT

#681

You guys are arguing semantics. Obviously if people think you are innocent then you will stay alive. But if people start off thinking you are scum, then you have to stay alive and try to prove innocence at same time. . I explained my reasoning for my first post, and you guys disagreed. There's a difference between disagreement and not explaining thought processes
After one post pressure was put on me, so I didn't have time to try and establish innocence before trying to staying alive.

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