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What happened to the sc2 compeittive scene?

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stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
June 13 2013 20:33 GMT
#1
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.

Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.

Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
June 13 2013 20:35 GMT
#2
yeah they wanted it to be that way.
they think hard to follow creates great story arcs...

i look forward to hsc and dh more than ever!
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 13 2013 20:36 GMT
#3
I think you have some legitimate concerns, but I also feel you're overextending in your complaints.

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en

This is important pretty much resolves some of issues.
The structure and play is definitely difficult to keep track and I feel it could use more linearity.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
June 13 2013 20:38 GMT
#4
Same here. I watch innovation and flash games, and nothing else anymore. Why? Because there are 100 qualifiers, then mass tournaments, etc. WCS made things really worse imo
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
June 13 2013 20:40 GMT
#5
The whole WCS schedule is confusing, yeah, but as long as you look at the sidebar and check the Featured News section you won't really miss anything important, and there's typically PL every night.
Well at the end of WoL people were complaining about an oversaturation of tournaments, so eventually we'll find a balance between too many and too few.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 20:43:04
June 13 2013 20:40 GMT
#6
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.
Hollandrock
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom158 Posts
June 13 2013 20:45 GMT
#7
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.


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tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
June 13 2013 20:45 GMT
#8
Aside from the Kespa sc2 proleague, i would say the only other year round event is WCS. it's kind of too bad that they disbanded GSL but we still do have WCS korea so those matches are usually good. There are also still lans that many players attend, such as dreamhack and MLG (i think?) and those weekends are packed with games. For me i've always followed the Kespa PL and it's always been awesome so the rest of the changes don't bother me so much, however there has been a lot of restructuring of the sc2 professional scene recently so i can see how it would be confusing

its too bad NASL got canceled cause they had a very straightforward season type of play that resulted in good games for the whole season... there have to be other kind of year round tournaments going on though that i'm just not aware of... CSL maybe? i think i'm starting to see what you are saying about sc2 scene not being newbie friendly anymore XD where is husky and the other fun casters??
economy over everything
sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
June 13 2013 20:47 GMT
#9
I personally like one standard tournament (WCS) held over the span of a month or two compared to GSL doing its own thing and MLG doing its thing etc.. It's easier to keep track of statistics and storylines
Can you feel the rush?
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
June 13 2013 20:51 GMT
#10
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
June 13 2013 20:52 GMT
#11
I think proleague ended up being a big letdown for the scene. I know its not the casters faults alone, but honestly if they put 1/2 the effort into production and casting for proleague that they do for Korea or somewhat match the GSL level production for that matter, things would be SO much better. The games are fresh, so many different strategies, ideas. And stories could easily be created. But instead we basically have fantasy vs flash.. SKT Protosses owning and EGTL....well yeah. I hope for the future that this becomes better bc it would be the single best thing to happen to the scene especially with Kespa players kind of taking over at this point in talent level overall. I always enjoy the games themselves ( even other races mirrors which i never enjoy elsewhere really), but its so much wasted potential there!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
June 13 2013 20:53 GMT
#12
Hm I don't know, WCS S1 just finished and we will get DH/HSC/MLG the next 3 weekends before WCS S2 starts again (ro32 KR actually starts next week already). I think they managed it perfectly with having those 3 tournaments inbetween WCS seasons. I think it's pretty easy to follow WCS now and keep an eye out for MLG/DH/IEM etc. on empty weekends. But I have to agree that the hype is not the same as before.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 13 2013 20:55 GMT
#13
On June 14 2013 05:51 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake


Me too

Maybe we're just old geezers though.
BestFriends
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada133 Posts
June 13 2013 20:56 GMT
#14
Yeah its compete shit. Just this last weekend was the WCS finals and I didnt even know it occurred.
It's not about winning but the prevention of defeat.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
June 13 2013 20:56 GMT
#15
At the top of the page click features/ events. Then team events if you want info on Pro League/ GSTL etc.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 20:59:06
June 13 2013 20:58 GMT
#16
What changed is that It's harder to follow the Korean scene.When he had GSL-GSTL it was pretty simple.Now we have WCS Korea run by 2 different organizations with different format,we have all the kespa players,we have GSTL and proleague and if someone just started following the scene he's gonna be like wtf is going on?

Other than that i think it's fine.WCS EU and AM should be pretty easy to follow and then there is a number of weekend tournaments that you might or might not care about.
All I do is Stim.
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
June 13 2013 20:59 GMT
#17
Yes, I do believe it's gotten harder to watch. It's more structured, but that doesn't make it more enjoyable nor does it create storylines IMO.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
June 13 2013 20:59 GMT
#18
No, it's not too hard to follow. It's easier than ever.
You have WCS for all three regions and that's about it for individual leagues.
Then you have Proleague for team league.
Then there are the weekend LANs (MLG, DH. WCS Global finals etc).
And then there are online tournaments like Acer Teamstory Cup or RSL (that, to be honest, not a lot of people care about).

So if you want to follow SC2 nowadays, you pick up one or two WCS regions (depending on how much time you have) and if you want/have time, also Proleague (or GSTL, but imo it's worse - that's just my opinion though). And that's about it.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 13 2013 21:00 GMT
#19
On June 14 2013 05:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:51 Dingodile wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake


Me too

Maybe we're just old geezers though.


I don't know, I see creative strategies and aggression aplenty, more or less every. Maybe (probably) I watch more SC2 than you and different tournaments, but there's no lack of new stuff. Of course there are boring, defensive and turtly games, but don't try to tell me WC3 and Brood War didn't both have utterly boring games.
AdministratorBreak the chains
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
June 13 2013 21:00 GMT
#20
On June 14 2013 05:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:51 Dingodile wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake


Me too

Maybe we're just old geezers though.

Don't ... say that!
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
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