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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 02:38:58
June 14 2013 02:38 GMT
#121
compeittive?

On topic: Things are looking a little gray right now but I have a feeling it's only temporary.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 14 2013 02:38 GMT
#122
On June 14 2013 11:08 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
People are talking like there's a known issue with a decline in interest etc. There is not. There is record viewership. If you're having a different experience that's unfortunate, but stop trying to project it on all of us.


They're not projecting it onto you. This is a forum for discussing things, that's what they are doing. Stating their opinions and why they feel that way and others either agree or disagree and explain why. I went from watching almost every tournament last year to having watched all of 0 so far this year. Bought the CE HoTS for beta and was super excited. Played maybe 50 games since release? Just a loss of interest not only in the "storylines" but in the game as well. Sc2 had more to pull people in because of the 10 year span between it and BW. It's only been a few (not that it's a bad thing) since the actual release and this expo. Can't speak for others but the game is just a lot more boring. Way too much about build orders and direct counters compared to just good play.
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 14 2013 02:48 GMT
#123
On June 14 2013 11:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 11:31 S:klogW wrote:
On June 14 2013 10:52 Dodgin wrote:
On June 14 2013 10:41 S:klogW wrote:
Peak interest?

I notice the same as well. The problem is there is really no reason to follow the games anymore except for your favorite players. Moreover, if you look at TL, you cant identify which ones are significant events and which ones are not.


Liquipedia has tournament classifications and always has, you can see which tournaments are most important by going to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments There's a button directly under the Liquipedia text on the right sidebar that has a button " Premier SC2 Tournaments ". The most important events are also " featured on air " under he calendar instead of simply " on air ".

True, but its one more click away, and one more window. Some people have the patience for those things, but I am sure other like me would like to log in and see everything important on the main page. What about a summary of premier events of the month in the calendar section, under the upcoming events. I mean I see now GSTL, DSL, UTRL, no offense but who cares? It turns me off immediately.


You're seriously going to complain about one extra click? It could not be simpler, you see the liquipedia text and click " Premier SC2 Tournaments". It's not possible to have entire summaries on the sidebar because there's not enough room for it.

This thread is turning into me teaching people how to follow esports, I think I'll stop now.

You have to see the bigger picture here. If it can be accessed with one click, and it is a VERY IMPORTANT content, why not add it in the main page? Pros: Immediately see what major events in the month. Cons: A few lines of space. It's not even debatable. And they dont have to go as far up as November. I'm talking about something like this (imagine top right column of tl)

Events
(Calendar)

ON AIR:
Day[9] Daily #595
Stream: Day[9].tv
Wiki
CTL Artosis
Stream: ChanmanV

Upcoming events: [ More ]
6h 30m [GSTL] MVP vs. PRIME
9h 20m [DSL] Rising Stars…
12h 20m [SL6] Group Stage
13h 20m 600$ MouseShake Cu…
20h 20m [URTL] iMp vs SCS

-------

UPCOMING MAJOR EVENTS:
June xxx - 2013 DreamHack Open: Summer
June xxx - HomeStory Cup VII
June xxx - 2013 MLG Spring Championship


How awesome and helpful would this be to fans!
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 14 2013 02:50 GMT
#124
On June 14 2013 11:48 S:klogW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 11:35 Dodgin wrote:
On June 14 2013 11:31 S:klogW wrote:
On June 14 2013 10:52 Dodgin wrote:
On June 14 2013 10:41 S:klogW wrote:
Peak interest?

I notice the same as well. The problem is there is really no reason to follow the games anymore except for your favorite players. Moreover, if you look at TL, you cant identify which ones are significant events and which ones are not.


Liquipedia has tournament classifications and always has, you can see which tournaments are most important by going to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments There's a button directly under the Liquipedia text on the right sidebar that has a button " Premier SC2 Tournaments ". The most important events are also " featured on air " under he calendar instead of simply " on air ".

True, but its one more click away, and one more window. Some people have the patience for those things, but I am sure other like me would like to log in and see everything important on the main page. What about a summary of premier events of the month in the calendar section, under the upcoming events. I mean I see now GSTL, DSL, UTRL, no offense but who cares? It turns me off immediately.


You're seriously going to complain about one extra click? It could not be simpler, you see the liquipedia text and click " Premier SC2 Tournaments". It's not possible to have entire summaries on the sidebar because there's not enough room for it.

This thread is turning into me teaching people how to follow esports, I think I'll stop now.

You have to see the bigger picture here. If it can be accessed with one click, and it is a VERY IMPORTANT content, why not add it in the main page? Pros: Immediately see what major events in the month. Cons: A few lines of space. It's not even debatable. And they dont have to go as far up as November. I'm talking about something like this (imagine top right column of tl)

Events
(Calendar)

ON AIR:
Day[9] Daily #595
Stream: Day[9].tv
Wiki
CTL Artosis
Stream: ChanmanV

Upcoming events: [ More ]
6h 30m [GSTL] MVP vs. PRIME
9h 20m [DSL] Rising Stars…
12h 20m [SL6] Group Stage
13h 20m 600$ MouseShake Cu…
20h 20m [URTL] iMp vs SCS

-------

UPCOMING MAJOR EVENTS:
June xxx - 2013 DreamHack Open: Summer
June xxx - HomeStory Cup VII
June xxx - 2013 MLG Spring Championship


How awesome and helpful would this be to fans!


It's not a terrible idea and I wouldn't be against it, It's just already relatively simple to find the information. I can see why it might be confusing for new people but that's why I'm in this thread answering questions, because once you know how to follow the scene efficiently It's quite easy.
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 14 2013 02:56 GMT
#125
On June 14 2013 11:50 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 11:48 S:klogW wrote:
On June 14 2013 11:35 Dodgin wrote:
On June 14 2013 11:31 S:klogW wrote:
On June 14 2013 10:52 Dodgin wrote:
On June 14 2013 10:41 S:klogW wrote:
Peak interest?

I notice the same as well. The problem is there is really no reason to follow the games anymore except for your favorite players. Moreover, if you look at TL, you cant identify which ones are significant events and which ones are not.


Liquipedia has tournament classifications and always has, you can see which tournaments are most important by going to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments There's a button directly under the Liquipedia text on the right sidebar that has a button " Premier SC2 Tournaments ". The most important events are also " featured on air " under he calendar instead of simply " on air ".

True, but its one more click away, and one more window. Some people have the patience for those things, but I am sure other like me would like to log in and see everything important on the main page. What about a summary of premier events of the month in the calendar section, under the upcoming events. I mean I see now GSTL, DSL, UTRL, no offense but who cares? It turns me off immediately.


You're seriously going to complain about one extra click? It could not be simpler, you see the liquipedia text and click " Premier SC2 Tournaments". It's not possible to have entire summaries on the sidebar because there's not enough room for it.

This thread is turning into me teaching people how to follow esports, I think I'll stop now.

You have to see the bigger picture here. If it can be accessed with one click, and it is a VERY IMPORTANT content, why not add it in the main page? Pros: Immediately see what major events in the month. Cons: A few lines of space. It's not even debatable. And they dont have to go as far up as November. I'm talking about something like this (imagine top right column of tl)

Events
(Calendar)

ON AIR:
Day[9] Daily #595
Stream: Day[9].tv
Wiki
CTL Artosis
Stream: ChanmanV

Upcoming events: [ More ]
6h 30m [GSTL] MVP vs. PRIME
9h 20m [DSL] Rising Stars…
12h 20m [SL6] Group Stage
13h 20m 600$ MouseShake Cu…
20h 20m [URTL] iMp vs SCS

-------

UPCOMING MAJOR EVENTS:
June xxx - 2013 DreamHack Open: Summer
June xxx - HomeStory Cup VII
June xxx - 2013 MLG Spring Championship


How awesome and helpful would this be to fans!


It's not a terrible idea and I wouldn't be against it, It's just already relatively simple to find the information. I can see why it might be confusing for new people but that's why I'm in this thread answering questions, because once you know how to follow the scene efficiently It's quite easy.

Still, it would just be convenient, practical, and smart for all concerned if we have a summary of the month`s premier events in the front page.
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
June 14 2013 02:57 GMT
#126
Totally agree with you OP, TL is a mess IMO. Very hard to follow the biggest SC2 news.

Truth be told, TL "sold out" with the whole DOTA thing. I don't blame them though, it IS very popular and VERY good money.
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 03:00:56
June 14 2013 02:59 GMT
#127
On June 14 2013 11:57 guN-viCe wrote:
Totally agree with you OP, TL is a mess IMO. Very hard to follow the biggest SC2 news.

Truth be told, TL "sold out" with the whole DOTA thing. I don't blame them though, it IS very popular and VERY good money.

I hope you know they don't get paid to cover any games. Writers are volunteers.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
June 14 2013 03:00 GMT
#128
On June 14 2013 11:57 guN-viCe wrote:
Totally agree with you OP, TL is a mess IMO. Very hard to follow the biggest SC2 news.

Truth be told, TL "sold out" with the whole DOTA thing. I don't blame them though, it IS very popular and VERY good money.


They would've gone for LoL if they wanted to sell out
Everyday Girl's Day~!
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
June 14 2013 03:04 GMT
#129
This OP has very little substance and the thread as a whole seems like a pointless pile of complaints. I ask that some mod please close this very soon.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 14 2013 03:11 GMT
#130
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that WCS and Proleague are the main draws of the scene now. It's not hard to find their schedules. The OP complains about not knowing Proleague players...and what does that have to do with anyone other than him?

/terrible thread
S:klogW
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria657 Posts
June 14 2013 03:18 GMT
#131
On June 14 2013 11:59 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 11:57 guN-viCe wrote:
Totally agree with you OP, TL is a mess IMO. Very hard to follow the biggest SC2 news.

Truth be told, TL "sold out" with the whole DOTA thing. I don't blame them though, it IS very popular and VERY good money.

I hope you know they don't get paid to cover any games. Writers are volunteers.

what about ad money?
E = 1.89 eV = 3.03 x 10^(-19) J
Fus Ro Dah
Profile Joined January 2013
Singapore141 Posts
June 14 2013 03:20 GMT
#132
Why will the new tournament structure be confusing? There is WCS, which is divided into three regions KR, EU and NA. In Korea, there is also GSTL and Proleague. In America, you have MLG. In Europe, you have Dream Hack and IEM. So tell me again, what is so confusing?
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 03:27:04
June 14 2013 03:22 GMT
#133
On June 14 2013 12:04 kochanfe wrote:
This OP has very little substance and the thread as a whole seems like a pointless pile of complaints. I ask that some mod please close this very soon.


Bleh, it's not that bad.

Anyway:

I quite often open up the TL homepage, check who is streaming at that time and have a glance around, I do this 2-3 times a day (sometimes more). Recently I've noticed I don't have a clue what the hell is going on as much as I used to.

I mean, right now I know about the WCS but when is the next MLG? Couldn't tell you without poking around Liquipedia.
When is the next Dreamhack? TOMORROW YAY - But again I check for this, since Dreamhack is a 'local' tourney.

But look at the front page. Dreamhack starts TOMORROW as I said. Apart from a 'Featured Article', I don't see a 'Big front page' article saying its almost upon us. (Oh wait, I do when I filter DOTA 2 back in, they have a big thing about that NOT SC2). It's quite small there, basically almost missed the thing.

More premier events being previewed on the front page (3-4 days before they happen please) and can we have some more filters in the Calender? I mean like MLG, Dreamhack, Homestory etc etc.

Okay kochanfe, maybe it IS a bit complainy :S

TL:DR Please give us more options on the Calender and where's the big 'SC2 Dreamhack Summer' thing (like Dota 2 has).
Bleh.
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 03:31:10
June 14 2013 03:30 GMT
#134
tldr : OP is lazy and the scene has changed, so sc2 is dying. Great logic.

User was temp banned for this post.
Hellbat
Profile Joined June 2013
223 Posts
June 14 2013 03:37 GMT
#135
On June 14 2013 12:11 Doodsmack wrote:
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that WCS and Proleague are the main draws of the scene now. It's not hard to find their schedules. The OP complains about not knowing Proleague players...and what does that have to do with anyone other than him?

/terrible thread


Yeah, I'm going to agree with this. The only tournaments I watch is WCS Korea and Proleague now a days. Lots of good high level play, storylines, great players and of course it's koreans vs koreans so you know it'll be the best games possible (as opposed to watching random foreigners fight it out in WCS NA)
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 14 2013 03:41 GMT
#136
I liked it more when it was just a free chaotic jungle of GSL/MLG/IEM/Dreamhack/NASL/IPL/OSL/HomeStory/IronSquid etc etc
Unification brings more dulness than excitement. I liked it when there were 10 events simultaneously, people were going crazy for their own event, audiences were funny and excited. This year I think the best so far was DreamHack, which proves it.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
June 14 2013 03:43 GMT
#137
Personally, I'm watching the game more now that everything is free. I really doubt the old model was better for bringing in casual viewers.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
RParks42
Profile Joined December 2012
United States77 Posts
June 14 2013 03:45 GMT
#138
I'm either an idiot or the smartest person alive, but is it taboo to say just go to Liquipedia? They put the premier tournaments on the side listed by Current, Upcoming and Recent. If you want to be kept to date on schedules go there, you want news and discussion come here. Since when is it okay to like something like Starcraft or sports, not put effort towards it or the scene, then complain about how little you understand?
I enjoy some good dome occasionally
KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
June 14 2013 03:47 GMT
#139
I blame it on WCS. I don't know what it is they did. I just don't care for this tournament. I don't understand it. There's no drama to it; it seems. No story. And it doesn't seem to end. When will it end omg. End already so that we can get other leagues running tournaments again?
"You're defined by the WORST of your group..." Bill Burr
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27146 Posts
June 14 2013 03:51 GMT
#140
Dont be lazy.
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