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On June 14 2013 08:00 SupLilSon wrote:
I feel the same way and I think a big part of the problem is I have no idea how WCS works. We just had the grand finals recently and it seems like the WCS Challenger League stuff has just been running along the whole time as a separate league or something. I've been watching more SC2 recently than I have in a lonnnnnnnnng time but it's mostly just player streams because theres rarely a notable event going on.
You're joking right?...Please read my post from page 3, we're having 6 weekend events in a row and are halfway through them right now with Dreamhack about to start tomorrow. Is it that hard to check liquipedia for tournament dates?
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I'd say it has hit the peak and now on a downward slide.
You can look at the 'views' on any SC2 youtube video or twitch stream and tell that interest for Starcraft II isn't going up.
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On June 14 2013 08:43 GhostFiber wrote:
I'd say it has hit the peak and now on a downward slide.
You can look at the 'views' on any SC2 youtube video or twitch stream and tell that interest for Starcraft II isn't going up.
The big tournaments since HotS have set record viewer numbers, much much higher than WoL. Dreamhack stockholm 2013 was the most viewed DH ever, MLG Winter was also the most viewed MLG ever(for sc2).
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On June 14 2013 08:47 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 08:43 GhostFiber wrote:
I'd say it has hit the peak and now on a downward slide.
You can look at the 'views' on any SC2 youtube video or twitch stream and tell that interest for Starcraft II isn't going up. The big tournaments since HotS have set record viewer numbers, much much higher than WoL. Dreamhack stockholm 2013 was the most viewed DH ever, MLG Winter was also the most viewed MLG ever(for sc2).
It's like these organizers know what they're doing and shit.
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I like the idea of just having SPL and WCS being the two big things to follow, with some big foreign events every now and then. Like, if SPL had better casters (I like the current well enough, but I think an important league like SPL should have some higher tier casters) and WCS Korea didn't seem like such a pissing contest between GOM and OGN, I'd be really happy 
I'm not hugely interested in watching any other leagues outside of korea since the level of play is much worse. Honestly I am not going to watch any more than WCS EU/AM plus some other big foreign events like Dreamhack every now and then anyway.
So for me, things are changing right now and it's kinda confusing, but I like the core idea that blizzard has. Hope everyone does better job next time and stuff.
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To be honest I was actually getting a bit upset with the amount of coverage on SC things on TL as well, but it seems better than it was ~ a month ago. I hit TL and actually see SC2 news items on the front image, and most (if not all) the important headlines are in the sidebar next to it now. For a bit there, like after someone (forgot who..) won a major tournament, they were already pushed back the next day because someone on a DotA team got traded with another player or something..
EDIT: DH Summer preview for SC2 is a featured article, but DotA2's Summer preview gets the front page image. >.< Filtering I guess.
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Yeah i've been following the sc2 scene since WoL beta and i do agree that things have changed and things don't seem to be well enough covered or hyped...
speaking of which, where is the countdown timer for dreamhack? TL is responsible for bringing the hype to the community, cos lets face it, this site is like THE hub for all sc2 news... without this website i wouldn't even watch a quarter of the live content that is available out there every day...
now i'm not saying that TL is to blame, definitely not the staff or anything (except maybe for that countdown timer - cos that shit is great) lol
tbh i'm not really sure what can be done to improve awareness and hype of upcoming tournaments or games etc...
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On June 14 2013 05:52 Irre wrote:
I think proleague ended up being a big letdown for the scene. I know its not the casters faults alone, but honestly if they put 1/2 the effort into production and casting for proleague that they do for Korea or somewhat match the GSL level production for that matter, things would be SO much better. The games are fresh, so many different strategies, ideas. And stories could easily be created. But instead we basically have fantasy vs flash.. SKT Protosses owning and EGTL....well yeah. I hope for the future that this becomes better bc it would be the single best thing to happen to the scene especially with Kespa players kind of taking over at this point in talent level overall. I always enjoy the games themselves ( even other races mirrors which i never enjoy elsewhere really), but its so much wasted potential there!
progleague is all i watch...if there was no proleague, i wouldnt be watching sc2
(granted, only because of korean stream, and in that regard, there is nothing better for energy, entertainment, analysis)
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On June 14 2013 09:28 MagnuMizer wrote:
Yeah i've been following the sc2 scene since WoL beta and i do agree that things have changed and things don't seem to be well enough covered or hyped...
speaking of which, where is the countdown timer for dreamhack? TL is responsible for bringing the hype to the community, cos lets face it, this site is like THE hub for all sc2 news... without this website i wouldn't even watch a quarter of the live content that is available out there every day...
now i'm not saying that TL is to blame, definitely not the staff or anything (except maybe for that countdown timer - cos that shit is great) lol
tbh i'm not really sure what can be done to improve awareness and hype of upcoming tournaments or games etc...
The countdown is here on the front page:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eVtCeLc.png)
It could definitely be more prominent, the LR threads in the sc2 tournaments section also have countdowns, you should always go there first to find that kind of information. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416889
And then you have liquipedia(http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Summer/Group_Stage_1 ) which always has everything. It's really not that hard to find the information.
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On June 14 2013 06:29 theking1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:19 Bonkarooni wrote:On June 14 2013 05:33 stratmatt wrote:
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.
Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.
Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start. I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint... WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that. I think he is referring to the fact that tournaments arent hyped like before.I personally have not seen any dreamhack ads on this website and it is considered the premier sc website.The tournaments might be physically present but if casual fans do not know about them... 
I remember there being a period of time where each major event paid to get a count down timer in the top right of the site.
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On June 14 2013 08:47 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 08:43 GhostFiber wrote:
I'd say it has hit the peak and now on a downward slide.
You can look at the 'views' on any SC2 youtube video or twitch stream and tell that interest for Starcraft II isn't going up. The big tournaments since HotS have set record viewer numbers, much much higher than WoL. Dreamhack stockholm 2013 was the most viewed DH ever, MLG Winter was also the most viewed MLG ever(for sc2).
Sure there was a big influx with players since HotS launch just like with every popular game, but that doesn't overshadow consistent numbers which are streams and youtube viewers. Check back with us in 6 months with the next DH and MLG stats and tell if they too are the most viewed.
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On June 14 2013 09:53 Farmer Poopy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:29 theking1 wrote:On June 14 2013 06:19 Bonkarooni wrote:On June 14 2013 05:33 stratmatt wrote:
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.
Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.
Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start. I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint... WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that. I think he is referring to the fact that tournaments arent hyped like before.I personally have not seen any dreamhack ads on this website and it is considered the premier sc website.The tournaments might be physically present but if casual fans do not know about them... I remember there being a period of time where each major event paid to get a count down timer in the top right of the site.
Those are paid advertisements, the admins have said multiple times in website feedback threads that those countdowns in the top right appeared because the tournament organizers paid for it.
On June 14 2013 09:55 GhostFiber wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 08:47 Dodgin wrote:On June 14 2013 08:43 GhostFiber wrote:
I'd say it has hit the peak and now on a downward slide.
You can look at the 'views' on any SC2 youtube video or twitch stream and tell that interest for Starcraft II isn't going up. The big tournaments since HotS have set record viewer numbers, much much higher than WoL. Dreamhack stockholm 2013 was the most viewed DH ever, MLG Winter was also the most viewed MLG ever(for sc2). Sure there was a big influx with players since HotS launch just like with every popular game, but that doesn't overshadow consistent numbers which are streams and youtube viewers. Check back with us in 6 months with the next DH and MLG stats and tell if they too are the most viewed.
I'll check back with you in a few days when Dreamhack is finished and we can compare their viewers to Stockholm's, everything else you said is speculation or irrelevant(youtube numbers? lol)
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There was a big drop in interest in the last few months of WoL, then a sharp jump back up when HotS came out. It's still too soon to see if it'll resume growing, stay where it is, or even shrink.
(Also, BW started to come back from the dead, and the BW fans are generally some of the most hardcore people, and they've been busy with that)
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Eh I don't get the OP or those complaining at all. WCS consolidated the scene and now there is more content. This is really fucking cool! Turn on twitch any day of the week and chances are you can see the top GMS from the all 3 regions playing with decent commentary. On the topic of commentary, the skill ceiling has improved. There are very few casters who aren't masters and they are bringing in more pros and ex pros. WCS is really a quite simple format. Easy to follow.
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On June 14 2013 09:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 09:53 Farmer Poopy wrote:On June 14 2013 06:29 theking1 wrote:On June 14 2013 06:19 Bonkarooni wrote:On June 14 2013 05:33 stratmatt wrote:
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.
Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.
Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start. I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint... WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that. I think he is referring to the fact that tournaments arent hyped like before.I personally have not seen any dreamhack ads on this website and it is considered the premier sc website.The tournaments might be physically present but if casual fans do not know about them... I remember there being a period of time where each major event paid to get a count down timer in the top right of the site. Those are paid advertisements, the admins have said multiple times in website feedback threads that those countdowns in the top right appeared because the tournament organizers paid for it.
Okay that was in fact what i was wondering mostly about...
Hmm its almost a shame you need to pay to have that countdown... I just thought it was for all the big tournaments...
Now i feel perhaps i am the ignorant one, and that there indeed is plenty of hype to be found if you look close enough ^^
in related news, i am extremely excited for DH ! Thumbs up if you are too! 
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Yup, I totally agree with you. I stopped following SC2 scene after this new WCS format was announced.
I sometimes watched WCS America qualifer, but besides that, I just follow innovation/flash/bisu.
There are so many tournaments which seems to be somewhat less mysterious. The reason why I liked watching OSL was because it only occurs like once a year, when most of the tournaments occurs also once a year. But now there are so many things to watch, which it feels like there is less hype? I guess this is only for me, but I definitely agree with you.
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I agree with what you are saying. WCS really ruined things for me personally
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The problem with sc2 is there is too much clutter, too much content. I am not a big faf of nasl and glad that it is gone. Content is ok, but I think we need some structure.
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Actually it's even easier to follow the scene right now if you compare it to football. SPL for teamleague on weekend & early-week (as good as following EPL or Primera Liga), GSL/OSL on mid-week (like UEFA C1), lastly occasional MLG/DH if I have time.
Then again I only watch KR. However thats enough content to satisfy my need weekly
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the WCS format just sucked. period. Its pretty much impossible to hype anything up because everytihng happens right after each other. omg WCS eu finals. woah WCS AM finals. cool WCS KR finals... dude im fucking tired...but the WCS global finals are on. also all of it felt like the first NASL with korean players. it was terrible. by the time the finals happen at the endo f the year, no one will be watching.
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