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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
June 13 2013 21:01 GMT
#21
Most tournament pools are so diluted that I generally only tune in for finals anymore, unless of course Flash or Innovation are playing.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
June 13 2013 21:02 GMT
#22
On June 14 2013 06:00 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:51 Dingodile wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake


Me too

Maybe we're just old geezers though.

Don't ... say that!


I'm only 22 and I agree. So you're not too old....yet. I literally haven't watched a game since HoTS came out. I was super excited but the game has just gotten really stale. Without turning it too much into a how the game should be thread I personally don't like the type of micro and macro compared to BW or other rts games. It's not fun to watch.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 21:04:51
June 13 2013 21:04 GMT
#23
I don't know, everything seems fine to me... open TL, quick look at calendar and there you go... SPL games always have a fix scheduled then you have the occasional week end tournaments which are always listed on TL with preview and stuff. No complains here.
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SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
June 13 2013 21:05 GMT
#24
Were some of you guys weren't around during 2012? I feel as if it is more organized than ever before because of WCS and proleague. You follow the players you like, you know when and where it is, and that is all. Seems easy enough for me, it used to be difficult, now it is easy!
Julyzerg ftw
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 21:07:58
June 13 2013 21:05 GMT
#25
There is this amazing thing on teamliquid called Liquipedia. It is quite mind blowing with how they update all tournaments in real time and how they also have a link to WCS PORTAL. WCS portal allows you to see exact timing and count downs to the next matches. I am sorry for being mean but if you put in 5 minutes of effort Teamliquid.net this amazing website can answer all your questions with its SEARCH feature and LIQUIPEDIA
JD, need I say more? :D
CSSolutionstv
Profile Joined November 2010
118 Posts
June 13 2013 21:07 GMT
#26
The bigger issue here i think is the amount of content.

While there were alot fo big tournaments in 2011, it was a weekend thing you would watch (like UFC), and that you didnt need to follow for a long time as it would finish in 2-3 days.

Now you have 3 leagues (WCS NA, WCS EU, WCS KR) running over the course of the week, with an amount of content that you wont be able to watch unless all you do in a day is watch StarCraft. You also get Proleague, running 4-5 days a week.

In the end the WCS Tournament is totally uninteresting (IMHO), as the only one you need to watch to know who is going to win it all is the korean WCS (we keep seeing the big faces dominating there in Flash, Soulkey, Innovation and sOs).

The local scene that greatly benefited from all the tournaments that went in 2011 is now gone (we saw a lot of non-koreans in top 3 finishes), a feat that is going extinct as koreans get further and further ahead.

In the end, while there are some interesting stories of success from foreigners, even if they do happen they have become uninteresting because of the amount of games played over the course of a week.

Less is more. The fact that we have more content doesn't make it better content, rather i think it has made it a lot more uninteresting now that we get to see those players compete every single week.
never_Nal
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica676 Posts
June 13 2013 21:07 GMT
#27
It's pretty hard to follow tbh, I don't even understand how Challenger and premier league work. I just watch my favorite player and that's about it, besides that you will need 8 hours a day to watch all game and tournamnets, WCS brings out alot of content but way too fast, and now we won't see world wide players in MLG. DreamHack and GSL. I remember when Jinro was GSL ent to dreamhack and played MLG as well, now this is imposible since MLG and Dreamhack are qualifier tournaments for WCS, but I guess blizz can do whatever they want.
Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
June 13 2013 21:08 GMT
#28
Seems easy enough to me. And for those talking about boring games, do you guys not remember PvT during Katrina era. Or, turtle on 2/3 base into carrier days? Or Andromeda? Talk about rose-colored glasses.
hohoho
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
June 13 2013 21:09 GMT
#29
For me, it's a lot better right now. Didn't buy GSL pass before and couldn't watch it live. Now, there is lot of contents, HOTS is much better than WOL and the BL/Infestor was soo boring.
Kespa players raised the level of play by a big margin and I know a lot of them.
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 21:12:50
June 13 2013 21:10 GMT
#30
On June 14 2013 06:00 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:51 Dingodile wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake


Me too

Maybe we're just old geezers though.


I don't know, I see creative strategies and aggression aplenty, more or less every. Maybe (probably) I watch more SC2 than you and different tournaments, but there's no lack of new stuff. Of course there are boring, defensive and turtly games, but don't try to tell me WC3 and Brood War didn't both have utterly boring games.


Well sure there were boring games played, but I also think there were more exciting games played overall compared to sc2 by A LOT. It used to be every major iem or wcg or blizzard tournament or w/e, you got extremely fresh and intense games played out of all the top players. I don't really feel that way with SC2. Could just be old man nostalgia talking (I'm 27 lol).
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 21:17:24
June 13 2013 21:13 GMT
#31
SC2 is dead, man.
I watched Flash vs Fantasy the other day: totally conventional strats, boring gameflow overall, too defensive and stuff, not enough foreigners in the game, not enough storylines, not enough heroes and legends and roshan and tanks, etc, etc..
SC2 is dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
Edit: Lol, over 9000 posts, and I still write shitposts like this one, haha :D


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Mefano
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden190 Posts
June 13 2013 21:14 GMT
#32
Hmm I dont recognize your problems; but that may be because I follow the secene...
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Azerbaijan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States660 Posts
June 13 2013 21:14 GMT
#33
On June 14 2013 06:00 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:55 AnomalySC2 wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:51 Dingodile wrote:
On June 14 2013 05:40 AnomalySC2 wrote:
I think what is needed are some truly creative strategies at the top level and or some foreigner heroes to bust into the scene and start taking games off top koreans. I do agree that the tournament structure is a tad...confusing.

Biggest factor for me to watch. sc2 doesn't have it, WoL and probably HotS too. sc2 is a way too defensive rts game, not interesting/nice to watch, although i have fun to play sc2.

I really miss the old times with sc:bw, wc3, cs1.6 & quake


Me too

Maybe we're just old geezers though.


I don't know, I see creative strategies and aggression aplenty, more or less every. Maybe (probably) I watch more SC2 than you and different tournaments, but there's no lack of new stuff. Of course there are boring, defensive and turtly games, but don't try to tell me WC3 and Brood War didn't both have utterly boring games.


is it weird that my favorite BW MU to watch was tvt?
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
June 13 2013 21:18 GMT
#34
On June 14 2013 06:13 ZenithM wrote:
SC2 is dead, man.
I watched Flash vs Fantasy the other day: totally conventional strats, boring gameflow overall, too defensive and stuff, not enough foreigners in the game, not enough storylines, not enough heroes and legends and roshan and tanks, etc, etc..
SC2 is dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
Edit: Lol, over 9000 posts, and I still write shitposts like this one, haha :D


It's not dead, there are plenty of fans and players still into it....oh wait it's zenith, /sarcasm goggles needed :D
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
June 13 2013 21:19 GMT
#35
On June 14 2013 05:33 stratmatt wrote:
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.

Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.

Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start.


I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint...

WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 13 2013 21:20 GMT
#36
On June 14 2013 05:36 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think you have some legitimate concerns, but I also feel you're overextending in your complaints.

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en

This is important pretty much resolves some of issues.
The structure and play is definitely difficult to keep track and I feel it could use more linearity.


World Tour Circuit my brother!
HerrHorst
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 21:22:22
June 13 2013 21:21 GMT
#37
Actually I have no problems to follow the scene at all just by using TL and thanks to HOTS, we have plenty of amazing games to watch.

mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
June 13 2013 21:25 GMT
#38
I actually feel it is a lot easier to follow and there is content every day when the season starts rolling.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
June 13 2013 21:26 GMT
#39
I sort of agree with the op on this one.Sc2 at the very beggining had tennis/atp type structure with major tournaments at many times of the year in which all the players would compete.And this was quite fitting for an individual sport since individual sports regularly have big tourneys and not leagues
Nowadays its mostly a football/basketball type structure with that wcs thingy going on.I personally like the tournament structure way more as it promotes individual hype and starpower.Also it is a lot easier to follow since in regular sports most individual sports such as tennins or even boxing and mma have individual big tourneys and not year long leagues.The way i see starcraft is staying at home on a friday/saturdya night and watching the best players in the world duke it out in an elimination tournament.But in the end I guess it is just a preference type thingy.I enjoyed the old ppv mlgs and old style dreamhacks and ironsquids.They sort of had their own personality.
Also the the way blizzard butchered the proscene by having premier/not wcs events is discusting.Throwing dreamhack and nasl probably some of the most beloved tourneys out there was a very poor decisison.I used to rememeber watching nasl more than mlg simply because of ammount of fun and personality everyone was having in the studio.Anyway its blizard decsion.
The way I see it they could have had just an administrative role like giving each tournament some points based on the ammount of prizepool and have the top 20 players with the most points duke it out in the global finals at the end of the year.I really do not think that a yearlong league solves anything.And the viewership sort of confirms it.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
June 13 2013 21:29 GMT
#40
On June 14 2013 06:19 Bonkarooni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 05:33 stratmatt wrote:
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.

Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.

Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start.


I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint...

WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that.


I think he is referring to the fact that tournaments arent hyped like before.I personally have not seen any dreamhack ads on this website and it is considered the premier sc website.The tournaments might be physically present but if casual fans do not know about them...
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