What happened to the sc2 compeittive scene? - Page 3

larse

1611 Posts

June 13 2013 21:30 GMT

#41

Even if WCS Korea is hold by two organizations, every single WCS Korean VOD is still on Gomtv.net. I don't know how is that more difficult to follow than before. It's the same.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

June 13 2013 21:30 GMT

#42

GSL still gets front page previews for every match day, foreign tournament coverage could be better I agree with that. WCS is easy to follow, a lot easier than following 7-8 different premier tournament circuits operating independently of each other. It's not the fault of the scene that you don't know the players because you stopped watching, go check the Power Rank to get a good idea of who the current top players are. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415936

m0ck

4194 Posts

June 13 2013 21:31 GMT

#43

Well, when you don't pay attention, don't get upset if things aren't like they used to. Despite your complaints, SC2 are getting some of the highest viewer-numbers in it's history at the moment. There's nothing strange in your interest waning and waxing, but change isn't dangerous.

laegoose

Russian Federation325 Posts

June 13 2013 21:33 GMT

#44

Since WCS finals there's nothing to watch except Proleague (it has a bit boring production, so normally you watch only highlighted games). WCS AM challenger league isn't really top-tier and I don't see familiar names there. Can't wait for Dreamhack and GSL Code A/Code S.

I would like to have non-stop GSL action 7 days a week.

Edit: ah we have OSL instead of Code S this season. Hope it will be on the same level.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

June 13 2013 21:33 GMT

#45

On June 14 2013 06:29 theking1 wrote:

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On June 14 2013 06:19 Bonkarooni wrote:

On June 14 2013 05:33 stratmatt wrote:
Is it just me or is sc2 too hard to follow anymore? I understand that the gsl was basically gutted and turned into a standard wcs league type thing. Truth be told, I stopped following gsl during bl/infestor and when they jacked their prices up(and when they stopped fully broadcasting code a). Then kespa swiched to sc2 and I dont even understand how that entire league is structured nor am I familiar with 4/5 players or teams.

Then IPL and NASL basically both disbanded as far as sc2 is concerned and what are we left with? 3 regional daily tournaments run by completely different organizations with players not even specific to a region among 1000 other inconsistancies? Not only that, but I browse to this site on 4 diff devices and I am bombarded with dota 2 stuff. What is even happening anymore? I understand there are 'filters' but I dont feel like filtering every single time I surf here. And even after I filter, I have no idea what the important upcoming matches are and WHEN they are going to happen unless I already know what I am searching for. There is litterally not the sightest bit of hype in this scene anymore outside of whoever the top 2 'best players' are ATM and I dont even know what I should be following.

Anyone else feel similar? I see people complaining about the lack of tournaments this year and I feel the same way. This site used to go balls to the wall content-wise for every mlg / dreamhack / gsl tourny and now it seems like these events either dont exist or dont even get more than a LR thread. What happened? I dont think sc2 is dieing, but I definately feel like the community itself is sort of falling apart. I just dont feel like the scene is very newbie-friendly anymore. If someonee wanted to get into competitive sc2, I feel like they woulnt even know where to start.

I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint...

WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that.

I think he is referring to the fact that tournaments arent hyped like before.I personally have not seen any dreamhack ads on this website and it is considered the premier sc website.The tournaments might be physically present but if casual fans do not know about them...

I went to the community news section and found 4 threads referencing the upcoming Dreamhack in about 10 seconds

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416841 (dota)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416835

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415733

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416778

There's also a featured preview now since the tournament is about to start: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417057

bsdaemon

618 Posts

June 13 2013 21:42 GMT

#46

What happened to the sc2 compeittive scene? -- Same question that I'm asking myself. I was initially looking for more SC2 games and content because I thought there's not enough SC2. Then WCS happened and now it suddenly feels like there is too much. After the WCS finals I thought we will get a few weeks break but then you now have these qualifiers going on for the next season. I'd like WCS/qualifiers have a few weeks off (or a month) between seasons to let me digest what just happened. At the same time some smaller tournaments could squeeze through and we will still have sometime to savor those tourneys.

With WCS EU, KR, NA, WCS finals, qualifiers starting immediately, Proleague, player streams and the upcoming tournaments like Dreamhack, I feel like I'm drowning from too much events. Still trying to watch all of them though but my interest isn't way up where I'd like it to be.

theking1

Romania658 Posts

June 13 2013 21:48 GMT

#47

On June 14 2013 06:33 Dodgin wrote:

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On June 14 2013 06:29 theking1 wrote:

On June 14 2013 06:19 Bonkarooni wrote:

I dont understand the lack of tournaments complaint...

WCS NA finals. WCS World Finals. Dreamhack this weekend. Homestory next weekend. MLG anaheim next weekend. WCS season 2 qualifiers after that.

Just saw the featured preview.my bad.Although the article would deserve a big picture in the main scrolling thingy on the front page of tl.

Lunareste

United States3596 Posts

June 13 2013 21:49 GMT

#48

How can you complain about not being familiar with the players when YOU stopped watching, and while you were gone an entire organization of players slowly integrated and introduced themselves to the scene via the GSL and Proleague?

I have no idea what OP is talking about, professional SC2 has never been easier to follow than it is right now.

There's the overarching tournament (WCS Championship) where players qualify via points earned from WCS America, WCS Europe and WCS Korea.

There's the weekend tournaments that give some WCS points to help contestants possibly qualify for WCS Championship Tournament (MLG, Dreamhack) and those that don't award WCS points at all (Homestory Cup)

And then there's the Korean teamleagues that occur regularly throughout the week: Proleague (KeSPA team league) and GSTL (GOM/eSF team league)

mrRoflpwn

United States2618 Posts

June 13 2013 21:51 GMT

#49

I think the scene is really linear and easy to follow right now. WCS may not be the best thing in the world but it does give you a very easy to follow system. Every region has its own tournament which leads up to the finals. How much more simple can you get?

mTwRINE

Germany318 Posts

June 13 2013 21:52 GMT

#50

I remember being hyped about MLG and DH watching streams 24/7. You had one or two days with excitement peaking very fast.
Nowadays you have ongoing tourneys (SPL,WCS, Qualifiers) every day where somehow every game matters but the final is so far you cant even feel tense if you are not rooting for someone. The format doesnt provide momentum building up and just pukes out game after game with the best players, which is getting dull very fast.
The reason is obvious, you get tons of hours of content for the same money, players can prepare, you can prepare productionvalue and after half a years theres your big final everyone is waiting for.

Better investement, less enjoyable (for me).

freetgy

1720 Posts

June 13 2013 21:52 GMT

#51

we certainly have some presentation issues,
We need to make tournaments easier to understand e. g. graphics and better overview how the whole qualification system maps out.

imho SPL here is currently the best because it has a clear format and easy to understand and follow.

gosublade

632 Posts

June 13 2013 21:54 GMT

#52

close thread pls. verbal diarrhea

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eGoRama

Bulgaria1542 Posts

June 13 2013 21:55 GMT

#53

I dont think there is a problem here, I follow every tournament which I like, every player I like. I think things are pretty simple, but maybe just for me. And tbh, NASL, at least for me, wasnt something ultra special, was watching only the final games. And HoTS is pretty nice so far, I love it.

Steel

Japan2283 Posts

June 13 2013 21:55 GMT

#54

On June 14 2013 06:30 larse wrote:
Even if WCS Korea is hold by two organizations, every single WCS Korean VOD is still on Gomtv.net. I don't know how is that more difficult to follow than before. It's the same.

As long as being suscribed to GomTV gives me access to all korean individual leagues, I'm happy.

I agree with OP though. You know things aren't going smoothly when top korean teams are going broke.

TrickyGilligan

United States641 Posts

June 13 2013 21:56 GMT

#55

I guess I agree that it's harder to hype something and get excited about it when it's happening constantly. And WCS really is constant, either qualifiers or regionals or finals are happening all year. I don't think it's harder to follow though, WCS provides a good structure. It is harder to get excited though. Watching WCS AM is just anti-hype, with the complete lack of live viewers and mediocre production at best. People can be really enthusiastic about something for a weekend when they can see thousands of nerds cheering live. It's much harder to keep that enthusiasm up for an entire season worth of games, when it's just you sitting in front of a computer watching a couple of guys sit in front of computers.

Also, WCS annoys me personally. Since a lot of it is during the week, none of the regions broadcast at a timezone I can watch. I can always watch VODs I guess, but I would way prefer to see live events.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

June 13 2013 21:59 GMT

#56

I do feel like the foreign competitive scene is at an all-time low. There was a time where some foreigners could compete at a high level, and foreign tournaments were interesting because of that (you had a mix of top Koreans and top foreigners but foreigners were kind of on par). Now the introduction of Kespa to SC2 has redefined high level, and even eSF Koreans who used to compete in foreign tournaments choose not to go there as much to be able to practice and keep up with the Kespa pace. Or they go to foreign tournaments to grab the easy money ;D
This all results in the largest gap between top foreign level and top level that we have seen in SC2 so far (in my humble opinion). There is really no use comparing guys like Stephano or Lucifron to Soulkey and Innovation, the level is just too different. This translates in foreign news slowly disappearing from headlines of community websites like TL. You can't really mix some random foreigners winning Zotac or Go4SC2 or whatever cups with Innovation winning WCS, Soulkey winning KR, HerO winning NA and Mvp EU.
So I pretty much stopped watching everything foreigner-related in SC2 (player streams or foreigner-heavy tournaments) because I didn't feel that what I was watching was legit anymore.

This turns out ok for me though because Proleague and GSL is already plenty of good Starcraft to watch, but if foreign Starcraft is what you're interested in, I think the scene is indeed not very strong at the moment.

Tl;dr; If you want to get into competitive Starcraft, don't bother with foreigner stuff and just watch GSL and Proleague.

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

June 13 2013 22:01 GMT

#57

As an older fan with a job and less free time, I kind of miss the days of the weekend tournaments.

I get what they're doing with these longer tournaments, but I miss just being able to follow shorter tournaments from beginning to end.

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

June 13 2013 22:01 GMT

#58

On June 14 2013 06:52 mTwRINE wrote:
I remember being hyped about MLG and DH watching streams 24/7. You had one or two days with excitement peaking very fast.
Nowadays you have ongoing tourneys (SPL,WCS, Qualifiers) every day where somehow every game matters but the final is so far you cant even feel tense if you are not rooting for someone. The format doesnt provide momentum building up and just pukes out game after game with the best players, which is getting dull very fast.
The reason is obvious, you get tons of hours of content for the same money, players can prepare, you can prepare productionvalue and after half a years theres your big final everyone is waiting for.

Better investement, less enjoyable (for me).

On June 14 2013 07:01 Defacer wrote:
As an older fan with a job and less free time, I kind of miss the days of the weekend tournaments.

I get what they're doing with these longer tournaments, but I miss just being able to follow shorter tournaments from beginning to end.

If you like weekend style tournaments the most, keep watching them, they're not gone.

The top 8 for WCS EU & AM happens at a weekend tournament, DH and MLG haven't gone anywhere. Homestory is also a weekend style tournament. Asus ROG and IEM will return soon as well. Even the WCS season finals is a weekend style tournament.

We've actually had a " weekend " tournament every weekend for the past 3 weeks, and it will continue for a few more weeks.

5/25 - 5/26 WCS Europe Top 8
6/01 - 6/02 WCS America Top 8
6/07 - 6/09 WCS Season 1 Finals

Those all happened recently, now for upcoming:

6/15 - 6/17 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Summer
6/20 - 6/23 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HomeStory_Cup/7
6/28 - 6/30 http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Spring_Championship

isaachukfan

Canada785 Posts

June 13 2013 22:01 GMT

#59

On June 14 2013 06:33 laegoose wrote:
Since WCS finals there's nothing to watch except Proleague (it has a bit boring production, so normally you watch only highlighted games). WCS AM challenger league isn't really top-tier and I don't see familiar names there. Can't wait for Dreamhack and GSL Code A/Code S.

I would like to have non-stop GSL action 7 days a week.

Edit: ah we have OSL instead of Code S this season. Hope it will be on the same level.

Same players=same level....I just hope the production doesn't flop....

Fischbacher

Canada666 Posts

June 13 2013 22:05 GMT

#60

I feel that, as a viewer, the game improved a lot since HotS came out. The level of competition in GSL / OSL is excellent and frankly I'd be more than happy even if that was the only game in town.

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