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On July 16 2013 21:29 kholly wrote: The bolded statement is what informed me that he is mafia. DoctorHelvetica is suppose to be a well known player, yet he is calling for people to roleclaim who they talk to? Don't believe this guy. I read the Nuclear Winter Mafia game. Using bad language doesn't get town anywhere. Thanks for pointing out that there is a voting thread. I didn't see it as it was far down the list. It is now bumped thanks to me. Oats, you should understand that I am playing the game. As you can tell, I am a very efficient scumhunter. Are you scared of this fake and trying to use aggression to get me to conform to the mafia ideals? I would like to say that I will not listen to the threats of terrorists. I will not be bullied. If you are mafia, you should kill you own mafia members for town credit as you always do in most of your games. Vote DH. I played the nuclear mafia game, and the game before with him as town. Both times he got into early conflicts like this by being transparent. Also how is the nuclear mafia game indicative of his scum play? He was town. In regards to pms, what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? Absolutely nothing, the whole point of pms is that mafia can no longer benefit from certain discussions in any way. Unless scum is being pmed in which case they already know and are already privy to the conversation. How is knowing whose communicating with who more useful for scum then town? If town knows they can co-ordinate a chain, ie I mason D.H then D.H chains oats and oats can pm me through the intermediately (oats mentioned everything one pming him making him the universal intermediatery but thats dumb, and risky). Naturally though the chain requires trust like all things but when done right it allows a certain degree of thread coordination. The only threat of being open is mafia disrupting pm relationships. This is actually a bit of a problem seeing as we only get one pm, which is why I suggest not mass masoning D.H or someone else, if you must pm an intermediatery you trust. Other stuff. Tofu: The argument that he pre typed his first post therefore its bad is silly, he ultimately decided to post it. Which is all that really matters, from there just ask yourself, did you find his post helpful? Was it maybe scum trying to comment on setup for easy townie points? Maybe, I personally think his thoughts were helpful (ie the growing risk of the traitor, therefore best to tackle him when he reaches his personal zenith) but if your going to attack him about the post do it for valid reasons. D.H, Im really going to be wary of people who try to spend alot of there posts early in the day cycle, which Dh has, not being able to fight back is a great excuse and paints the accuser as a villain, im sure at least one or two scum will attempt something of this vien before the games through. His commenting on pming is fine, neither her nor there, its setup stuff to get the ball rolling but the point is hes getting the ball rolling. Which is townie to an extent. What I also really like is that he pressed Tofu and then backed off when he was satisfied with tofus response people please do not leave accusations hanging in the air, they will burn posts and actively hurt town, this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another. I think Dh's behaviour here strikes me as a townie trying to get the most out of as little as possible, so he reads green to me for now. Thats about it. | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:05 kholly wrote: To be clear, the only person I called scum this whole game is Dr.H. I just said I wouldn't trust rayne and I was referring to a game where he was town. what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? I won't go into details; it would only hurt town. This is an extremely deadly tool in the hands of a mafia player who knows what he is doing. PS: Dr.H doesn't even follow his on advice. I dont care what game you think your playing but were going to need more than that, transparency between townies still matters, dont breadcrumb unless your willing to spit out whatever your trying to say or pm it to the relevant party. And even despite that hiding behind pms is not townie play and I will press anyone who also feels the need to do the above in a smartass way. You are also implying that only a vote backed by an accusation matters, which is bullshit, scum want to throw as much at the fan as possible without getting any backlash and casually calling people scummy without voting them is a great way to do so. I didn't vote for him is a terrible defence. I will vote for you though until you can explain what you mean in thread or through a pm to me or someone I trust, and back up/ drop your Rayne shitflinging. ##Vote: Kholly | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:24 kholly wrote: What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town.  I hate to waste your posts but sorry I'm as thick as a castle wall XD I assume scum can mason 2 people as well, I dont know why they wouldn't be able to seeing as that would be a cheap way to distinguish town from scum, basically scum have all the mechanical tools to look like town is my assumption. Regarding some other matters. Post giving: If someone runs out posts whose under assault we should not hesitate to donate some of our own posts to them, having a one sided accusation is bads and makes it really easy for town to mislynch. Oats. In general I've found his posting so far to be really shallow, hes burning through his bank fast and part of me suspects it might be because he wants to. Man im totally gonna blow my post count in like the first 3 hours. This is indicative of that scum play I mentioned earlier, wherein they waste posts on purpose. He wastes part of a post to let us know that hes going to post in an anti town manner. Also this. Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS. one of his later posts is just this oh god this type of player. So a hypocrite I suppose. Whats also interesting is he shotguns alot of questions as opposed to trying to have a dialogue with one or two players then moving on. Malongo, Koshi and kholly, start playing the game. Kholly, why is DrH scum? Also there is a voting thread. Malongo, why is MZ being polarizing a scumtell? Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS. Rayn, so if you are scum and you use your role, no one knows. Right. Sounds like your claim isnt actually a good thing. Who are you looking to be scum hapa. You can retract your statement at any time, but you have GOT to have some inkling Yeah hapa, whos scum? Tofu, have you played with a traitor mechanic before? If so, what did you gain from that? If not, why are you focusing on the traitor? VE wtf? Tell me how wasting posts arguing with Vayne is scummy? Have you played with Vayne before? Tell me how what he did isnt pressuring Vayne. tell me how scummy you are! Thoughts on FT VE? MZ, so is DrH scummy? Alot of these questions are of dubious worth, they'd be fine in a regular mafia game but here it looks like Oats is trying to burn through all of towns posts early on. Also this. Everyone, name 1 scumread. OR DIE! Again forcing posts in a broad stroke manner. FOS: Oats | ||
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On July 17 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote: You give me more credit than I deserve Gumshoe, this supposed plan of mine is brilliant for wasting posts. From what you have seen of how I play, is this consistant of my town or scum play Gumshoe? Also This post is completely full of crap. This is Tofu's last post and DrH didnt post after that. I dont see how is this resolved in the slightest. I assume you think FT is town, is that right from this quote. So talk about how my response to FT's post is wrong please. Adressing the bolded parts. 1: We have never played together im a game where your were scum, or in a game with limited posts, your meta has nothing to do with the pattern I brought up which may or may not be real. Unless your telling me your too stupid period to play in a way that makes sense as scum in this unique setup, which I'm just not going for. I have seen you play intelligently, you have established that capacity and therefore I cant dismiss anything on account of meta. 2: I used the resolution argument to defend Drh, not Tufo, Drh's last point was an effort to resolve a thread he deemed closed, in this setup I find that townie, Tufo's own actions be they wise or unwise have nothing to do with that argument. 3: Similarly I found Drh town based on that interaction not Tofu, as for Tofu hes null to me, I just find the argument that he prewrote a first post therefore scum to be dumb, his decision to post something that I found helpful is the reason I might find him town at all. In general if you are town Oats I ask that you focus your questions, this shotgun approach wastes both your own and everyone else writing space. Also if they dont adress a question you ask, please follow up as opposed to moving on to the next dozen questions. Because when you do go back and point out how somebody hasn't answered you, they can just say that no one has, and you've asked so many questions its easy to have missed one or that because you asked so many you have devalued thier adressal value. | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:24 kholly wrote: What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town. Seeing as you still havent answered my questions, in pm or in thread, I'll follow up on you one last time before my vote fixes itself in place. What made you suspect in the first place that scum would have only one pm? Where are you getting this information? Why even bother thinking that if theres no source? Without hard evidence it's a dumb question and a non answer to my own question. If you do have evidence that begs the question, how would you know anything about scums setup? Also in regards to the bolded, why even imply that you might be asking the question as traitor? Why is that even on your mind, we were in no way discussing traitor so why do you feel the need to clarify that your not the traitor? Did you realize that it might come off as bread crumbing? Answer my questions in pm or in thread please. Also if your unwilling to pm me for whatever reason if I pm you will you answer me? Oh and Vivax, is the only alternative to detective Vivax tunnel Vivax? If so keep up the good work I guess... But could you at least make the names obvious? Whose hippy? | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange?[/QUOTE] Drh pressured tofu, tofu responded, dry backed off tofu when he was satisfied with his answer. Regardless of what tofu did after these are the facts of drh's actions, drh could have easily left his accusation hanging in order not to look flip floppy. Instead he closed the matter for the moment. Doing so hurts his individual position but it is a boon for town because we're able to scratch off a pointless(from dh,s perspective) argument. This reads townie to me, does it mean he is 100 percent mega town? No of course not, but dropping the accusation seems silly for scum who want as many plot threads as possible And want to come off as strong. Also I agree, I think a lot of people have twisted your words. Oats, you have only 8 posts left, please put down some reasoning alongside your dick next time. Also you were sure I was scum last game, and you were wrong Xd feel free to accuse me but please don't treat your perspective of my alignment as fact. Lastly if anyone asks me to repeat myself again I'm going to require a post donation as payment. | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe, a couple of things: 1) How do you magically know DrH "backed off". Because i happen to know that's not true. He just didn't post any more. 2) Explain this: Your first post contains this: Later: Now why the sudden change of mind. Did you only get one mason to use? 3) Who have twisted my words and how? 1: @FirmTofu - I think your defense seems very legitimate and natural, you're off my scumdar. However, it's not that you drew attention to the existence of the traitor, just the fact that it seemed to be at the top of your mind is off. Which is why I wanted you to clarify how you approach mafia in general, it makes perfect sense that the numerically/setup minded type of townies would be fixated on that from the beginning. An LSB/sandro type of player are the kinds of people who I wouldn't raise an eyebrow at for talking traitor, so thanks for that. This is the last mention of tofu in DH's filter. 2:A mistake, I misread op and didn't realize that you get 2, I should have clarified when I realized but I didn't wanna waste a post just to say I'd dun goofed. 3: I thought you were sloosh XD my bad You owe me a post : P | ||
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In light of the whole pm he said she said matter I'm still suspicious of Oats's posting, which in a normal game would look townie but here seems exceptionally wasteful yet still conveniently in character, at the very least no one should give him 5 posts considering how little he's done with the amount he already had unless he needs to defend himself in case of a vote, if so I will personally lend him 5 posts. I'm done for tonight, gl y'all happy hunting. | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Anyone want me to mason them? I'll take your desires into consideration. *Note in order to apply you must not suck ass. Me  (This will be my only wasted post this cycle ) | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was gonna mason you gumshoe but the you did a thing :/ Masoning one person is bad unless its you amirite gumshoe? Dammit, I should be asleep. I asked knolls to pm me because I suspected him and wanted to talk with him based off his cryptic posts. He hasn't responded to me and instead called me scum for no reason, It would have helped both of us clear stuff up about each other, I even offered to pm him later on if he was willing to answer me in those Pms, he did not bother providing such assurances. I had a very specific reason for asking him to pm me. We are not speaking right now, the only person I have pmed is blocked (Rayne). Also I made that post back when I thought we only get one mason. This isn't me asking everyone to pm me, it's just a dog begging for a bone, or rather a townie with no current masons hoping to form a mutually beneficial relationship. | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:46 kholly wrote: I think it is a good time to answer your question now. I heard it from you. Scum. Ooooooooh you were responding to me, yeah my bad, I made a mistake early on, didn't bother clarifying, if you wanna vote me for it be my guest, also why won't you mason me? | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange?[/QUOTE] Meapeak, Ve is right, this quote belongs to Rayne not me, I was of the opinion we should set up chains and I remain of that opinion, though its been adjusted now t hat I realize we get two Pms. Therefore your only reason for not Masoning me is wrong, So in light of that.... Can you mason me? I'd really appreciate the discussion seeing as I know your a solid player. Otherwise you owe me a couple posts | ||
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@Gumshoe: Why are you so active in this game? I am referring to your play in the Nuclear game. You got killed in the lynch of day 3. Because you only cared to post one time over a timespan of 144 hours. I am bitter about that. So your mad at me for playing more townie? I can go ahead and lurk again if you like, I was not as interested in the last game because I was coming off a crushing loss in Basterd mafia, if you want an example of my actual town play read that game, that and I didnt get any nukes, bad of me yes, but not at all a good reason to call me scum. Townie play is townie play. Furthermore we dont need to hear this. I have been staring at this thread for over 3 hours now, 2 hours yesterday and now and hour before typing this, and I have come to the conclusion that I can't bring an extra perspective on a lot of these accusations between people. I understand what I am reading, but I can't analyze it further and give it even more meaning. Like this whole discussion between DH and Tofu, I read everything, even the logs from Rayn, and I can't even get a small feeling in my head/gut if somebody is scum. So I am going to give up on trying to get a gut feeling while reading stuff, I will just read it and move on. And this. Reason: I don't have much to say and I hope he is able to keep me from the lynchtable on Day 1 by making posts that make others look worse than me. Your reads are fine and reads dont need to be 100 correct all the time, the important thing is that you make them so that we can comment or elaborate on them and witness your sincerity. Not posting analysis because you think you wont be helpful is the only truly useless thing you could do. Ve Theres alot I dont like in this post. @SnB My post wasn't useless and spammy. Not a single person has mentioned any of the names I brought up, so saying that's "something we all already knew" is ridiculous. I let the thread know that I'm watching for those names to crop up in particular because of how long they've taken to enter the fray combined with the fact that at least two of the names are known to be good scumhunters (sorry Node). I will say that Node has a tendency to get a case of the fo's in games so his absence is less of a surprise, but I was personally looking forward to playing with him. @Yamato If I found anything worth mentioning, I would have mentioned it. You watch me and call me scum in every game. This game will be no exception. Go away. @Town Scum have no motivation to post because no one is making them post. Everyone is just pointing fingers at people who have posted for dumb reasons. If you were scum, would YOU post at a time like this? 1: I do think his post was useless, no one forgets about afk characters, and there are 6 scum out there so someone at least is active which makes his whole scum dont have to poste argument of his silly, seeing as they clearly feel the need to. 2: Here he trys to character assassinate Yamato based off meta, who I find has done fine this game. It's an easy way to attack town without catching fire. 3: Hes pretty much dismissing town as incompetent... how does this help? What have learned from this post? Pretty much that Ve thinks hes right and that all of town is incompetent/wrong. Oh and his tunnel on Malongo is getting kinda old. But his useless read is not wrong, can someone pm Malongo? See if they can get anything out of him? Cause Im not sure he'll improve his thread performance even if he is town. Question Ve, who else is scum other than Malongo? Also Is Oats posting of your interactions true? If so why have you been so hostile to him if you do find him too dumb to be scum? Don't you think that at the very least you should try and talk with him? Why do you feel the need to play so aggresive as town? Knolly: Welp I have no masons left XD and would appreciate some discussion with anyone who wants to go ahead and pm me. So I talked to knolly, hes kinda crazy, don't think hes scum, why do people think hes Chez? Hes also curios why scum haven't accused him, which is valid, if I were scum I'd probably see him as an easy target, is it because I accused him and they didn't feel comfortable sheeping me? I'll get off him for now. I can post our logs if anyone wants them, but not too much value there yet. ##Unvote Knolly Layabout: I always thought that rolefishing was scummy and that roleclaiming to someone is simply a means to win their trust. Rolefishing after someone has already revealed their role is not rolefishing, I was just asking for elaboration, do you honestly think if I was on scum team no one there would know what a pardoner is? (Its not a brand new role) Or that I'd make such an obviously risky request? As for the role offering your free to think whatever you want, that was supposed to be private and I'm not commenting on it. Also start bieng useful, it's worthless posts like yours wow VE why are you pushing Malongo that start to make me think Ve is town. Vivax: His source is either Tofu(code name hippy) or Dh(code name the doctor), more likely Dh because several people have alluded to him being in pm land and Dh has an existing scum read of Strong, just not a thorough one. Dh has clearly not been transparent with who hes been pming contrary to what he said at the start, perhaps thats the mistake he made to look scummy that Vivax mentioned? As for Vivax himself, I agree with his reads so far ( Sloosh seems kindy iffy for not following up or scum hunting and most of his posts are in defence of himself) and Strong. Vivax has fair reads and hes bringing new info into the thread, reads townie to me. He'll keep it up hopefully, Constable Guido is a dick though, def scum. Oats: Gonna downgrade him to null, hes tangled up in so much pm traffic its and hes so abrasive its hard for me to call him scum. Tofu: We really need to hear about someone other than Dh, what do you think of hapa? Putting my vote on Ve for now, like others have said he just doesnt feel interested at all in contributing and dispite trying to keep count he treats his posts with excpetionally little value. He's not, that's the problem. :/ I really just want to know why no one wants to lynch Malango. Can we just lynch Malango please? And what do you think of Malango's most recent contributions to the scumhunt kush? KHolly has also masoned me and has attempted no conversation whatsoever. It's like he did it just to troll or something. Do with that what you will. You should still /all/ be voting for Malongo. Thats 5 posts wasted in quick succesion that all say pretty much the exact same fucking thing. Not even Oats is this bad, hes clearly just trying to get his agenda across, not make the most of limited posts with diverse scum hunting. Also this Aren't you sick of rolling scum Chez? This post doesnt even have a point or purpose... Even worse this I think in that second quote you attributed one of Rayn's quotes to gumshoe didn't you MZ? Kinda cornfusing because of the quotefail in there, but I think it was Rayn who said that sir. He feels that a small glitch clarification that has nothing to do with anything deserves its own post... Almost as if he values cheap townie points over actual scum hunting. Ve has 14 posts, half of them are pretty much one liners and he hasn't bothered asking for more. ##:Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:43 layabout wrote: dont be stupid that isn't reasoning. also 14 posts in over 3/4 of the day is fine. I love how you pick out the only sarcastic comment in that entire wall of text and use that as a basis to call me stupid, Also Its not the number of posts, its the content. Hes wasted posts left and right, hes made joke posts and hes made several repetitive fact less posts regarding Malongo. He pretends to treat the limit with value but he really doesn't, and hes the only person who hasn't complained hes running out of posts or asked for more, because he simply doesn't care about making the most of his writing space, or scum hunting, in fact he doesn't care about town at all. Also didn't you think VE was scum? Why the change of heart? If not why are you defending him? Vivax do you think Layabout is scum? | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: why is gumshoe voting for viscera in here but actually voting for firmtofu in the voting thread? The posts are at almost the same time. ##Vote slOosh I have no idea either 0_0. Coulda sword I put down Ve. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:13 HiroPro wrote: like there doesn't seem to be any sort of coherence in his opinion on viscera. The "makes me think Ve is town"was sarcasm, sorry your tone deaf, My reasonings for suspecting Ve are as follows: He is aggressive towards townies not based off scummynies but stupidity and incompetence, which reads as scum trying to throw off townies without taking heat, I also think he makes a show of valuing his posts, but in practice he really doesn't, his last 6 or 7 have all been wastes, as for the tofu vote that was a mistake, I make them, my bads. Even if it wasn't why? how would accidentally voting Tofu benefit me hours away from lynch as scum? Whats the bloody motive besides blunder? Dont waste a post answering that because there is no motive. Also your not even calling me scum here, just devaluing my opinion by calling me incoherent and hoping Rayne builds off your shitflinging. Going to save my next two posts till near lynch. I'm down for lynching Sloosh, Ve, or strong and bad(pretty much sheeping Vivax and mystery dudes case in that regard) lynching one of these individuals as opposed to someone like layabout will yield alot more info, seeing as they've been central to the days discussion, which is why I'm not going to vote outside these three unless a really good case is made. Lastly I'm out of pms, and Knolly really isnt that interesting conversation T_T would really appreciate a mason buddy, or at least a few extra posts. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm you might be right. All of gumshoe's scumreads seem to be based on "they are wasting their posts". I could understand that could be the behaviour a townie is looking for to find scum, but that's not what you should look for. It's also weird that he masoned kholly. gumshoe why did you mason kholly? Sigh, down to my last post. Knolly accused me of only having one pm or scum of only having one pm in general based on a mistake I made earlier. So I pmed him hoping he would lie to town and tell them that I didnt, thereby simplifying todays lynch, or that he would drop his case on me and I could get a better read on him seeing as he was my earliest scum read. It was a rough call but I had to put the whole one pm thing to rest or scum would've ran with it. Also I'm going into this game assuming town values theyre posts more than scum, scum are trying to burn posts on useless discussion, this is not the only reason I've attacked people, but it is a major thing I'm looking out for. | ||
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Original Message From kholly: Knolly:Hello gumshoe, : This is Unizehc speaking. I was under the impression that your teammates could translate Chezinu's cryptic messages. You have survived the troll test because you are still speaking to me. Most mafia members would ignore the trollish. So, let us get down to serious business. I will speak as if American English is my native tongue. What do you think about VE? Why do you think there is a bandwagon forming against him? Why is there so much resistance to lynching Dr.H? Why does mafia want kholly to live? Original Message From gumshoe: Is english not your native tongue? maybe we can use google translate to talk, whats your first language? 1: No one can translate Chez's posting because he doesn't want to be understood, he plays to have fun and having fun for him is about sowing chaos and disorder, hes an anti town fixture even when hes town. 2: I think people are picking and choosing which shallow argument they want to attack based off agenda or preference. Yes Ve is wishy washy but so is Sloosh or Firm Tofu or Malongo, I think mafia are trying to throw the thread in as many directions as possible, taking advantage of what will remain an undeveloped thread (because of the posting limit). This day 1 is exceptionally hard for us, I'm sure at least one person on the Ve wagon or Sloosh wagon is scum but no more than that. They wont act as a cohesive group so early on. Rather watch out for the people who bandwagon new accusations. 3: I think theres alot of resistance to Dh because he reads town to alot of people based off his posting, me included, the stuff with oats and him pming one another is fishy though. I dont think scum are actively pushing or defending one target. 4: What makes you think mafia wants you alive? Who do you think is mafia? 5: What do you think of Koshi and Hapahauli? Knolly :No one is lynching me besides you for one. Have you seen my list? Koshi,,, koshi....kosh..eee.... Yeah, I'll read the thread later. ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From gumshoe: how do you feel about strong and big? Knoly: He is very generous to Dr. Evil... ------------------------------------ Gumshoe:Hey, let's talk. What did you mean earlier about traps? Why did you feel the need to mention the possibility of you bieng traitor? How do you feel about OAts and Mon? Knolly Do you still think I'm scum? Why? Who do you wanna lynch if not me? Who else are you pming if anyone? YAY!!! SOMEONE TO TALK TOO!!!! YOU THE BESTEST FRIEND EVER!!! What did you mean earlier about traps? The more the mafia knows the more they can coordinate. I have tons of exp in this PM games. We Gotz to keep them in the dark Why did you feel the need to mention the possibility of you bieng traitor? I no did that. How do you feel about OAts and Mon? Oats - he wants to live and not be perceived as scum no matter the alignment. If scum, he would bus teammates. Well, I called him out on it... so that could counteract... or he can call me crazy. . . cause you know... I'm so so crazy. Mon? who's that? Monday? Monster? Do you still think I'm scum? Why? Who do you wanna lynch if not me? Who else are you pming if anyone? You see, I was getting lonely and just wanted someone to talk too. Cause you know, scummy people are fun. BUT YOU KNOW, trying to get yourself lynched is a hard thing to do. Btw, you did a townie thing by pming me. As I said earlier, I'm talking to town (not sure how you read the word traitor here -- was obv referring to who I was pming. I feel like the people I have talked to are town. So what's going on in PM LAND?!?!?!?! PS: YOU KNOWS ME CAUSE AUSTIN KNOWS SHHHHHHH TROLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS R NNOTT FAKE PMs!!!! ------------------------------------------------- Knolly: Are you mafia? Who do you think I am? Reading Time with kholly Hello ladies and gentlemen. To counteract the post limit, I will try to address the whole thread in one post. On July 16 2013 12:35 kushm4sta wrote: sup sup On July 16 2013 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys! I'm going to be keeping a running tally of my posts to try and remind myself that I can't spam in this game as I'm wont to do. Feel free to PM me though, because though the mods can remove my ability to spam the thread, they cannot remove my desire to allow my thoughts on players and their motives to freeflow...though with as many superior scumhunters as are in this game, I wouldn't be surprised or offended if you don't. Just throwing that out there. I will say that I think most players should hold back at least one of their mason choices for past D1. The threat of masoning scum is always there, plus if you just start masoning strong scumhunters you run the risk of them eating it N1. It's probably just best practice to mason people you trust, and though you might think that goes without saying people play this game in a really weird way sometimes. Freely I will feel in Pming you my dear fear and humble master. I am more than a mere ghost now for I have the power of possession. I allow my thoughts on players too, like this one. I being not most players, will not hold back. Masoning scum? Challenge accepted. On Ju What are we looking for? Odd player choices. PMs are our chance to put direct pressure on people we have suspicions of without going over our post limits. If someone is trying to influence your opinions/manipulate you via PM you need to call them out in thread. If someone uses PMs to buddy to you by telling you they have complete trust that you are town, that's a red alarm. I don't see why town needs to have a PM line with another townie like that. I think discussing the PM dynamics and any plans/thoughts regarding it is a good starting off point for this game. ALSO - Look out for those who waste their post limits on empty posts/spam then make an excuse later. For example - "I had some good points to make yesterday but I went over post limit before I wrote my case and....."ly 16 2013 12:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's important that people are transparent about who they choose to PM. If you aren't, you better have a damn good reason not to. The only good reason for being secretive is that it would somehow reveal yourself as a blue or is necessary for your plans to catch scum. Why are you looking for odd player choices? Are you saying making friends in the bestest PM Land mafia sprouts red? Don't worry, I'm am watching people like you waste their posts. Why you no follow you own advice? Good thing you never said that and only asked for more posts On July 16 2013 12:49 kushm4sta wrote: haha wow you two's posts were just about as useless as mine. Why would you tell scum how not to play... hehe, you funny On July 16 2013 12:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You should explain why its a trap then. I disagree, at least I'm getting the ball rolling. The post limit and pm system are unique about this game, its a better way of digging at people's attitudes than random ads lurker votes. Them mafia is getting in on our privacy! They want to know when we are sleeping and when we are hunting. They want to spread thems lies! On July 16 2013 13:05 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's MegaKickstarting Post: Hey y'all! I know I've been waiting for this game for a long time and I'm sure you all have as well. This game is somewhat non-standard, so there are a few things I'd like to address before we get started. Show nested quote + Because this setup is closed, we have to make sure we do not make any unnecessary assumptions that center around speculation about the roles. Speculation is largely a waste of time given the amount of information provided in the OP, so we should stick to the basics. Additionally, we definitely should not be directing blue roles that we aren't even sure exist. Big Plays: If you think of some mastermind play that you think will fool mafia and confuse them, please don't use it. As brilliant as your plan may be, a closed setup has too many variables to account for and your plan could potentially confuse the town more than the mafia. Lying: If you are town, DO NOT lie. If all of town follows this rule, we can separate town and mafia into two distinct categories, liars and non-liars, respectively. We can lynch liars without fear of them flipping town AS LONG AS every town member strictly adheres to this rule. The Traitor: Show nested quote + 5 mafia, 1 traitor. Anyone up for some math? 5/24=0.20833333333 (5+1)/24=0.25 The one traitor adds about 4% to the strength of the team. As the game progresses, the denominator gets lower. Assuming we don't get insanely lucky, the percentage of mafia will increase over time. The influence of the traitor will start to compound and he will become a greater threat. We obviously need to keep an eye out for the traitor, but specifically hunting for him in the early days will be a waste of resources, in my opinion. How to catch the traitor! The traitor might get antsy and try to drop a few hints for mafia to pick up (to try and join them). We need to stay vigilant to find these subtle hints and make sure we call them out as soon as we see them. PMs: I'm thinking that we should choose our best town reads as PM targets. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with this mechanic, so if a more experienced player can give his thoughts about it, that would be great. This goes without saying, but remember to choose your pm targets wisely! This means NOT wasting both of your choices on Day 1 based on weak reads. Post Count Limit: We have a moderately strict 20 post limit during day. This means absolutely NO one-liner posts. Try to make longer posts that include multiple quotes. Respond to multiple points simultaneously. If you want to give your reads, do it all in one post. We need people to also save posts to ensure they can respond to accusations should they be accused. Plan ahead. Most of this stuff should be obvious, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. Alright, that's all I've got for now. Let's have a good, clean game. GL HF! This guy is right. If you speculate, you could be the crazy conspiracy nut like me. Yeah, let's not lie. It hurts the town. Spot the traitor is fun. If your bad enough, mafia might think your the traitor. On July 16 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: VE is scum, and Im town. Game too ez. In other news, Firmtofu pre typed that and its not alignment indicative. Pming people isnt a big deal and should be claimed, but honestly, if you dont mason a strong town read, you be bad or scum. How does that make me bad? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone get anything out of this? Just seems ridicules to me. I cant imagine someone just sitting at a computer compiling quotes and planting subtle crazy messages for half an hour just to troll one person as scum... Knolly not my first scum pick anymore but if anyone thinks this indicative of scum I can get behind his lynch. ##Unvote | ||
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