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Hapa, what is it about his posts that makes you think that WaveofCheesecake is town? | ||
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On April 13 2013 14:33 FiveTouch wrote: Also is that the only question you have? I find it hard to believe that the entire body of your thoughts hinge on the answer to that question. I believe you answered your other question, but this one is relevant. I have not been satisfied with the present cases presented, and feel that a new line of questioning is needed to find scum. Really not that hard to understand tbh... As for number of questions, I only start with one. Shoot off like ten and you're 1) not going to get them all answered, and 2) going to likely derail the thread as it goes in ten different directions. The disappointing aspect of the game is that we have a bunch of people waiting for better scumhunters to "carry" them. And yet, their lack of participation makes it that much harder to find scum (like half the people in the game, so they can't all be scum...). The latest example: On April 13 2013 14:10 raynmaster wrote: Not enough nukes. see ya in like 10 more hours. Like WTF? My favorite way to find scum is by process of elimination, so I'm going to start by trying to sort through this mess of people. And if you were wondering about Wave, my question to Hapa was working towards this goal. | ||
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For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing... As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.: But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense. ##FoS: Shotgun | ||
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On April 13 2013 15:52 FiveTouch wrote: I don't like the "That's just..not what he does" argument. What DOES he do? When his fabricated bullshit case get's fucking trounced, how DOES mafia Hapa respond? But whatever, you're right I'm tunneled in after specifically trying to look at other people. Let's instead lynch Palmar/DP...because they're scum, but more importantly, I thoroughly enjoy making them angry. ##Unvote ##Vote: JohnMatrix I mean I get they haven't been useful, but what specific scum-motivated actions have they done? I don't see that in your case. Only scummy actions they could be doing as either alignment. | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:01 ShotgunBiceps wrote: That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with? The logic in this post: 1) I have a town-read you don't understand 2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me 3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave. 4) Therefore... I'm suspicious? What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis. Who's posting here? Is this GK? Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread. | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:09 FiveTouch wrote: How about the weak +1 to Yam Suspicion and never following up on it? That doesn't strike you as "scum motivated" in spite of having weak +1 suspicion of me too? Lots of weak +1 posts is no longer a valid scum tell around here? Perhaps I've set the bar a bit low since my last game with DP. I mean, the guy didn't really seem to jump in (in The Game) until VE came at him, and the way he responded really felt like some kind of scum emotional OMGUS response at the time (when he was actually town)... From my experience, town DP does have more balls though, so I would agree that meta-argument supports the theory of a scum DP. But in general: being wishy washy, while scummy, is definitely something town does too. I remember soooo many townies in past games that behaved like that. Hence why I asked about scum motivation, as in what specific scum agenda would he be pushing? They are different, non-interchangable terms to me. | ||
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 On April 13 2013 16:51 goodkarma wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 16:29 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Well I don't think it's weak. I think it shows a light-hearted mentality that's hard to fake as scum, and it's uncannily observant for something that could be a "mafia-joke". Of course that doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore everything he says right now and treat him like auto-town, but I like the mentality behind that post. As for a meta reason, I'd kinda expect a newer scum-player (WoS hasn't played as mafia to my knowledge) to be a lot more uptight and serious. Instead he comes in joking, and that goes at odds with my expectations of his scum-play. As for "buddying," how is that at all a heuristic for catching scum? I talk to newbies about not making reads based on that kinda stuff, and I see you doing it. So who is posting here? GK? I didn't go back and check until just now, but this from a much older game (LVII) was what was in my mind.: Seems you didn't directly implicate it as a scumtell, but you had no problem with it either... But that was a much better explanation. Thank you. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:09 FiveTouch wrote: is this sarcasm?My vote on Palmar was based on the (perhaps foolhardy) belief that I can make Palmar contribute with pressure. I share the belief that he's most likely town based on mod-action, but I'm so fucking sick of him not doing shit on D1 and then DYING. He only does that shit because you shits let him. "Oh it's Palmar you know, whatever right?" No one wants to make him EARN the N1 shot, in spite of him soaking it up all the time. Well I want him to earn that shit. He needs to stop being a useless fuck - especially now that he's confirmed town. Stop being a useless little shit Palmar. Has your opinion Hapa evolved now that some time has lapsed since the "bish fest" | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote: Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote: Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote: New page.Palmar: still interested in your thoughts on Waveofcheese JohnMatrix Please share. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:45 raynmaster wrote: From what i remember Palmar has a lot of meta on VE. VE could think Palmar is actually nuking him for a reason. Also the answer to their post came pretty quick and without thinking it much further. If it was marv i would think you would have thought about the possibilities from every perspective before posting a response. As it was VE, it's more likely that you guys actually are scum. Not sure though. I gotta consult Oats about what he does think of you guys. /rayn Why do you feel the need to post in the thread to contribute; and then limp-dick finish with "I need to consult with my partner." This aligns very much with what Syllo said earlier - and from my experience in Hydra 1, I 100% agree. On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:53 raynmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote: That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Wait i don't understand: I thought SLJ asked something from Mocsta and you tried to argue that it does not matter which one of you guys answer the question? Can you explain what happened? /rayn My (Mocsta) first post in the game; was the response to Syllo that you questioned me about. As I said, I can't tell you what GK had running in his mind at the time. All i can comment is that I agreed with his perception on thread sentiment. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote: Yes, we have reads.+ Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote: That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler + In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today. | ||
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On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote: Please indulge us with this.My main man Phagga thinks that MockArmour looks scummiest but if he wants to he can make the case. I'm not seeing it yet though, for traditions sake, I almost want to case up GK. As you are more than aware: a case says so much more about the maker, than the recipient. | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:04 raynmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote: Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler + In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today. So why is your vote still on him? Neither of you appear to have any other scumreads, care to share one? I didnt know a vote was on Hapa lol. ##Unvote Will give scumreads in due course young grass-hopper. This is still round 1, and everyone is jabbing to determine distances. When we want to launch the combination followed by uppercut; trust me. You will be the first to know. | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:04 raynmaster wrote: But then why are you accusing me now of trying to figure out what Oats is thinking of marv/VE? Why are you allowed to consult your hydra about stuff but i have to only share my thoughts? And for the record, i did not know Oats was around now. He posted and focused on entirely different things than i did. I asked him about marv/VE in our QT because he has far more meta on people than i do. /rayn For brevity: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 23:45 raynmaster wrote: From what i remember Palmar has a lot of meta on VE. VE could think Palmar is actually nuking him for a reason. Also the answer to their post came pretty quick and without thinking it much further. If it was marv i would think you would have thought about the possibilities from every perspective before posting a response. As it was VE, it's more likely that you guys actually are scum. Not sure though. I gotta consult Oats about what he does think of you guys. /rayn On April 13 2013 23:53 MockArmor wrote: Why do you feel the need to post in the thread to contribute; and then limp-dick finish with "I need to consult with my partner." This aligns very much with what Syllo said earlier - and from my experience in Hydra 1, I 100% agree. On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. Disagree; further, the question was far from rhetorical. Please answer. | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:17 raynmaster wrote: MockArmor: Hope this post of mine explains it: No it doesn't explain the situation at all. For brevity once more + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 23:45 raynmaster wrote: From what i remember Palmar has a lot of meta on VE. VE could think Palmar is actually nuking him for a reason. Also the answer to their post came pretty quick and without thinking it much further. If it was marv i would think you would have thought about the possibilities from every perspective before posting a response. As it was VE, it's more likely that you guys actually are scum. Not sure though. I gotta consult Oats about what he does think of you guys. /rayn On April 13 2013 23:53 MockArmor wrote: Why do you feel the need to post in the thread to contribute; and then limp-dick finish with "I need to consult with my partner." This aligns very much with what Syllo said earlier - and from my experience in Hydra 1, I 100% agree. On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. Let us re-cap the situation thus far:
If you are incapable of contributing to the thread, due to weak meta history; or, needing to reference with your partner in general. Why post in the first place? Before trying to bullshit me: keep in mind, I was scum in the last Hydra game. Henceforth why I agreed in full with the Syllo quote, which I will post for you one more time. On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. P.S. Im not quoting this post, because Syllo saying it makes it valid. Im quoting it because he said it in better words than I. | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:35 raynmaster wrote: Its just Mocsta and the fact that he currently has said that he doesnt want to disclose any reads. Walk me through in particular why that is scummy. Walk me through why a townie would not choose to give out scumreads 12hrs into the game. + answer the outstanding question I have directed to you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=29#566 | ||
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