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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-26 00:05:11
March 25 2013 23:50 GMT
#7
/in

I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.

But phrase no in OP ((( sorry
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 01:01 GMT
#139
privjet comrades.

ghor come into thread reading about nice policy talk, friendly atmosphere, good vodka flowing, then bad people come in.

ghor like comrade CC's vote on risk.atomi. risk unlurk, risk scare, now post more, only after vote.now talking about policy kenpachi trap while saying he not do policy things.

ghor think risk scummy, ghor like VE. ghor no like girthoflegend, he attack idyll, he not scumhunt, he provoke VE, risk support bad interaction. both risk and girth bad. capitalist swine.

if risk go lurk mode sometime, ghor think risk more bad. ghor wait. ghor prefer ve opinion on policy, but ghor see town good will from lazer too. they say they no like bad reasoning for hammer.that ok.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 02:13 GMT
#154
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke

It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?

Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.

If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?

No I don't.

Doesn't seem all that legit to me.



Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.


On the contrary, best vote ever.

I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.

Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.


ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum.
but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense.

For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together.
if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead.
but need other opinion from not posting people first.

no go quick with axe. Ploha.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 02:26 GMT
#159
On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.

There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now?


ghor not like this statement. ghor not think risk evaluated kenpachi rule with statistics. if he does he remember games where it worked. but does he know game where it not worked?ghor want proof. look like risk defend strange rule to save himself.

ghor think risk need tell what scummy about hopeless, risk said he look scummy. what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 03:33 GMT
#163
ghor like keep his timezone secret.
but i can tell this time bad for ghor normally.today exception.
ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs.
privjet = hello yes, no writing kyril here, capitalist amerikanskij web.

==============

ghor like know what axle think of risk, and comrades that privjet and disappear.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 14:11 GMT
#198
Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.

but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad.
ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away.

what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum.

sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve.

he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum?
sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part.

On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..

My thoughts so far:

- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.

- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.

- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.

- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.

Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.

-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.

I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.

##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
risk

On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:
Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home.

As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called

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On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.

Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.

People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.

I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.


Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\

Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.


this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 14:16 GMT
#199
no opinion about hopeless

ghor mean. ghor correct from hopeless to lazer, have it right initially but ghor corrected it like durak.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 14:41 GMT
#201
That not only point about risk, ghor mention other points earlier:

ghor like comrade CC's vote on risk.atomi. risk unlurk, risk scare, now post more, only after vote.now talking about policy kenpachi trap while saying he not do policy things.



risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:18.:

That's why I say ney on policy lynching. It's ment to work as a threat to keep lazy/bad townies from doing rash stupid stuff that makes them look scummy and with that allow mafia to do what they want without sticking out. But that's no differen't from normal. In the end it all comes down to the townies to play intelligently and try not to do scummy stuff out of nowhere.


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risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:19:
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap.


risk say no policy in first post, but risk talk about stupid policy in next post.
risk say he no lynch RoL for kenpachi rule BEFORE defend himself, but say kenpachi rule legit and accurate when defend himself.

ghor want sylencia to say if he think risk town or scum, not flipflop pinball, evidence there, comment on it.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 15:02 GMT
#203
risk say kenpachi rule accurate and useful, that not general statement, that say "lynch someone if he do x=accurate". sylencia avoiding committment on risk. no inquiry of his own.no pushing cc. no quoting cc, not try convince ghor that cc scum, but try avoid risk issue.

ghor think sylencia scum.

##Vote: Sylencia
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 15:18 GMT
#208
Ghor not understand why people ask questions about risk, people not read properly ghor posts?read thread then come back with good question please.

only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better.

risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy).
his defense, bad, he contradict.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 15:32 GMT
#211
Ghor will teach hopeless how to read

On April 02 2013 11:13 Ghor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke

It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?

Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.

If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?

No I don't.

Doesn't seem all that legit to me.



Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.


On the contrary, best vote ever.

I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.

Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.


ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum.
but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense.

For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together.
if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead.
but need other opinion from not posting people first.

no go quick with axe. Ploha.


ghor say risk scum early, ghor look for scum elsewhere, no like quick hammer.

hopeless useless. he not able to read.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 15:42 GMT
#215
Ghor asking sylencia questions cause he scummy, vote to show he would want his head off too.

On April 03 2013 00:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...you want to polarize the lynch between your initial scumread and somone who you say "won't comment" on your initial scumread. Why not just push to get risk lynched?


ghor's quoted post answers question already. Hopeless very dull.

here, for dummies.ghor pissed at dull hopeless.wastes ghor time, lets sylencia slip away, no interest in find out what sylencia want to do with risk. not able to read properly.

  • risk probably scum
  • can not be sure in game. no quick hammer. wait for contributions of risk, look for information.
  • thinking sylencia scum is not at exclusion of risk scum. sylencia wishwash about risk. he use votes on risk as defense for risk, but say risk do odd things. does not say he think risk town or scum.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 15:52 GMT
#217
Ghor will take it this way: sylencia think risk town cause he not like evidence.
Cheesecake back, sylencia goes away when scumread is back?

@ CC

Sylencia made huge post with many read. Say risk do odd thing, but it look like he think vote on risk make him bad candidate, and scum can hammer him quick.

ghor say, if sylencia fears scum hammering risk and says the votes are bad, then he must think risk town. but he not want to say so. he also not comment on evidence.

he only say risk would not catch attention as scum, which very weak argument. here:

And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 16:56 GMT
#239
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.

All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.

Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?

(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension)
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:00 GMT
#241
So hopeless think that if ghor was town with risk as scumread, ghor would accept even hopeless' stupid arguments without critical thinking?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:15 GMT
#244
On April 03 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread.


Hopeless can answer question. Why he think ghor scum for pointing out hopeless wrong argument against nuke?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:29 GMT
#252
Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then:

April 02 2013 09:50
No I don't.


No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument.

April 02 2013 10:44.
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?


Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it.

April 02 2013 10:59
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.

Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.


Summary:

Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it.
Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL.
But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow?

Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective.

explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#255
Ghor did not call out syl for deflecting pressure. Ghor called out syl for many reason, starting with big post. Only two line about scumread, many line about other read. No strong opinion on risk. Go read.

Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 17:43 GMT
#261
Ghor meant he did not only mention that, case much bigger than that. In your post you say that lynch deflection only reason for ghor calling sylencia out.

But ghor not see as deflect lynch, but see it as diluition (maybe that also deflect, but all semantics).
Ghor see as lack of motivation to push scumreads, and give many null and useless reads, coupled with bad reason to defend risk. Sylencia lack of push, lack of gaining more information, lack of talking about risk with ghor. rest all in filter.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 18:05 GMT
#265
On April 03 2013 02:54 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 02:29 Ghor wrote:
Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then:

April 02 2013 09:50
No I don't.


No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument.

April 02 2013 10:44.
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?


Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it.

April 02 2013 10:59
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.

Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.


Summary:

Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it.
Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL.
But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow?

Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective.

explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away.

I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain.

As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule.


Ghor not like "as mafia I". It same argument like sylencia's "risk not scum cause he draw attention".
It be argument "scum not make mistake", weak argument.

Ghor not fully convinced yet, but ghor want see why risk tell his scumread hopeless that it is stupid to think i am scum with risk. ghor would expect town risk to make case against hopeless and push for lynch now that he under fire, not tell him not to do stupid things and stop convincing people.

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