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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 19 2013 13:30 GMT
#23
/in
if this is not full already
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 22:10 GMT
#86
On March 26 2013 06:59 Kurumi wrote:
Our start will be a little delayed because I overslept.

Still today?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 22:44 GMT
#89
Got my role PM and i'm ready to go!

On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?

Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay!


Yo hey yo, why do you think this is not obvious?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 22:55 GMT
#95
I'll throw the first stone:

##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 23:00 GMT
#97
A perfectly valid case. Says we need to not spam and has three posts in the first four.
Are you his scumbuddy Cora?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 23:05 GMT
#102
What's with the ninja vote marv?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 23:22 GMT
#111
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

Why do you assume i was serious in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2013 23:27 GMT
#120
On March 26 2013 08:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn goes back to the shadows when he is called out on his argument.

Why are you scummy Rayn?

Is he, though?

Maybe that's all just in your head.

A good question. After all it was prplhz who disappeared, not me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#180
S&B: I never said i wasn't serious with my vote. I asked marv why does he assume i am serious. Something he also failed to answer.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 01:23 GMT
#185
The reason i asked the question from marv was this post:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne


He had voted me because i "overreacted" to prplhz. How does me asking "what's with the ninja vote?" make him change his vote to a stupid policy lynch?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#187
On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#189
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 01:42 GMT
#198
On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?

Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find.

The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum.

Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case.

The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post.

Other than that part, you are right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 02:02 GMT
#216
[QUOTE]On March 26 2013 10:41 cDgCorazon wrote:
My comment about the meta reads was directed at this post:


[spoiler]
[QUOTE]On March 26 2013 09:42 Acrofales wrote:
@Rayn: Who is the scummiest player here so far and why?
[/QUOTE]

I can't tell. Or i could but it wouldn't be my actual thoughts because my head does not work very well and i need to sleep.
I try again tomorrow.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 02:02 GMT
#218
EBWOP:
On March 26 2013 10:41 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Rayn: Who is the scummiest player here so far and why?


I can't tell. Or i could but it wouldn't be my actual thoughts because my head does not work very well and i need to sleep.
I try again tomorrow.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 11:23 GMT
#319
Here's why ObviousOne is scum:

On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:
==Some thoughts on today's action==
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:
On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?

Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find.

The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum.

Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case.

The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post.

Other than that part, you are right.


Broken out, preserving the interaction above:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first?

I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing.

I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town:
If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that.

I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia:
If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.



I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread.

So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason.

(An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent.

Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think?

Why this post is incredibly scummy?

First OO says i may or may not be scum based on semantics i used in my response to Keirathi. It's irrelevant in the first place because if i answer to Keirathi or ask something about him i call him "you", not "we" . No matter how hard you try to twist the words the post does not turn into a "scum claim".

Next he talks about referencing the other game i'm playing in, which he can't do in the first place. Why in the world bring up something you can't talk about in the first place?

And the read on me ends up into conclusion "may or may not be scum". How convinient.

Then the case on Keirathi. It says that Keirathi has done some maybe scummy stuff that is not better explained. Then he has done some townie stuff. Then he calls Keirathi scum. With no vote on him. Even asking What do you think?

If you think someone is scum you don't ask what do people think about them. You make a case which forces people to say what do they think about it. Notice that after this post he moves to completely different things. If i thought Keirathi was scum i sure would want to know more about him.

In all this post is filled with lots of "if's", "but's" and "may or may not's". There are no conclusions or follow up's. It looks good in filter later (as contributing) but is meant to be dissappeared in the backgrounds. That's what it looks like to me.

##Unvote: prplhz
##Vote: ObviousOne
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 11:45 GMT
#321
On March 26 2013 20:35 Palmar wrote:
rayn I have a reason to lean very slightly on town on you. Please consider lynching Grackaroni instead of this lynch.

Yes i will consider it.

What do you think about marv atm?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 12:19 GMT
#333
Palmar:
I don't like the Grack case as much as i do like the OO one. Both fall into the same category of being non-commital but on top of that OO gives people some catches. If someone bases a case on me influenced by OO's post he can't be held accountable for it but he actually was the one who gave the thought out in the first place. I don't like wishy-washyness but even more i dislike wishy-washyness that leaves an open door for stupid townies to push a mislynch which you in fact caused in the first place.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 12:31 GMT
#340
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 12:43 GMT
#347
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).
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