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Azubu has nothing to do with Justin.tv/Twitch.tv. This is what happens when you copy and paste legal disclaimers without find/replacing properly.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 07:03:36
March 05 2013 05:25 GMT
#1
Launched just over three days ago, AZUBU.tv is seen by many in our community as a direct competitor to the firmly-entrenched online video streaming business of Twitch.tv.

A look at the Terms of Service of AZUBU.tv sheds an interesting, and very confusing, light on the situation:

11. Disclosures.

The services are offered by Justin.tv, Inc. dba AZUBU TV, located at: 23 Geary Street, Suite 800, San Francisco, CA 94108 and email: help@azubu.tv. If you are a California resident, you may have this same information emailed to you by sending a letter to the foregoing address with your email address and a request for this information.

(Editor's Note: Emphasis added)


There seems to be two logical interpretations of this:
  1. Justin.tv, who owns and operates Twitch.tv, does in fact own and operate AZUBU.tv. DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name.

    More information about this can be found on Wikipedia.

    EDIT: OFFICIAL TWITCH STATEMENT ON THIS MATTER

    [image loading]




  2. The other interpretation is that AZUBU is directly copy-pasting Terms of Service from their competitor without any regard to the transferability of Twitch's terms to their particular service or business model.

    This feasibility of this interpretation is fueled by the fact that the entire Terms of Service as listed on AZUBU's website seems disjointed, unorganized, and written with different voices.
Can those with more knowledge about this situation comment on the matter? This thread was made in reaction to publicly-available information found on both company's websites.

The implications of the first interpretation aren't as significant, I feel, as the implications of the second: a company directly copy-pasting legal documents so haphazardly.

Relevant links:
http://www.azubu.tv/footer/legal/service.jsp
http://www.twitch.tv/user/legal
http://pastebin.com/bqaLf60s
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
InfestedOne
Profile Joined June 2012
United States13 Posts
March 05 2013 05:29 GMT
#2
This is very strange! I would like to see a response from both parties!
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 05 2013 05:31 GMT
#3
Wow, either way this looks bad for azubu tv competing with twitch. Either they are owned by the same people who own twitch, or they are lazy/ incompetent enough to strait up copy paste terms of service from their competitor, which does not look good at all for the quality of the company.
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InfestedOne
Profile Joined June 2012
United States13 Posts
March 05 2013 05:34 GMT
#4
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.
ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 05:40:39
March 05 2013 05:35 GMT
#5
On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.


Obviously after the silly stuff happened on their website before he wanted to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Plus, even today, no one knows what the fuck Azubu DOES. It's worth investigating.
Dame da na, zenzen dame da ze!
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
March 05 2013 05:36 GMT
#6
On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.


I have made a habit of reading legal stuff and considering what I find before I sign up or use a service, it's just good practice to do it.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
March 05 2013 05:37 GMT
#7
I think it has to be option 2, I can't see any reason for jtv to open another competing service for any reason what so ever. It just wouldn't make sense.
SoraLimit
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada747 Posts
March 05 2013 05:37 GMT
#8
On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.

I assume more people now, especially streamers would read the fine print ever since the whole incident with Own3d.tv
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
March 05 2013 05:40 GMT
#9
wait, what...azubu.tv IS twitch.tv?
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
March 05 2013 05:44 GMT
#10
AZUBUCOM
why so 진지해?
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 05 2013 05:44 GMT
#11
On March 05 2013 14:40 Integra wrote:
wait, what...azubu.tv IS twitch.tv?


No wonder azubu had so much money to throw around before they "did" anything!

It all makes so much sense now! The secret has finally been exposed, justin.tv faked a competitor to further manipulate the streaming industry.
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1226 Posts
March 05 2013 05:47 GMT
#12
On March 05 2013 14:44 Rekrul wrote:
AZUBUCOM


I miss you baby, come visit Peru
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 05 2013 05:48 GMT
#13
What does dba mean?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
March 05 2013 05:49 GMT
#14
On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
What does dba mean?


It's in the OP.

DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name.
recklessfire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States373 Posts
March 05 2013 05:49 GMT
#15
On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
What does dba mean?


doing business as
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
March 05 2013 05:49 GMT
#16
On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
What does dba mean?


doing business as

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_business_as

a legal thing you have to do in the United States to operate under a fictitious name
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 05 2013 05:51 GMT
#17
azubu is a registered corporation (assuming this is a related corp). i couldnt find twitch so they may be under a different name, or they arent registered in California to do business.

Entity Name: AZUBU NORTH AMERICA INC.
Entity Number: C3523560
Date Filed: 12/12/2012
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: DELAWARE
Entity Address: 1639 11TH STREET
Entity City, State, Zip: SANTA MONICA CA 90404
Agent for Service of Process: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM
Agent Address: 818 W SEVENTH ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90017

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
March 05 2013 05:51 GMT
#18
Well they're both in SF, although azubu's location is different from twitch.
Yokwe
Profile Joined December 2012
United States35 Posts
March 05 2013 05:55 GMT
#19
Competition is almost always good in scenarios like this.
"Pudding...wait for it....pops." - Bill Cosby
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 05 2013 05:55 GMT
#20
soemone pointed out twitch is owned by justin.tv

Entity Name: JUSTIN.TV, INC.
Entity Number: C2794497
Date Filed: 12/29/2006
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: DELAWARE
Entity Address: 47 LUSK ST
Entity City, State, Zip: SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107
Agent for Service of Process: MICHAEL SEIBEL
Agent Address: 47 LUSK ST
Agent City, State, Zip: SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107
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