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Azubu has nothing to do with Justin.tv/Twitch.tv. This is what happens when you copy and paste legal disclaimers without find/replacing properly. |
Hong Kong9183 Posts
Launched just over three days ago, AZUBU.tv is seen by many in our community as a direct competitor to the firmly-entrenched online video streaming business of Twitch.tv.
A look at the Terms of Service of AZUBU.tv sheds an interesting, and very confusing, light on the situation:
11. Disclosures.
The services are offered by Justin.tv, Inc. dba AZUBU TV, located at: 23 Geary Street, Suite 800, San Francisco, CA 94108 and email: help@azubu.tv. If you are a California resident, you may have this same information emailed to you by sending a letter to the foregoing address with your email address and a request for this information.
(Editor's Note: Emphasis added)
There seems to be two logical interpretations of this: Justin.tv, who owns and operates Twitch.tv, does in fact own and operate AZUBU.tv. DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name.
More information about this can be found on Wikipedia.
EDIT: OFFICIAL TWITCH STATEMENT ON THIS MATTER
- The other interpretation is that AZUBU is directly copy-pasting Terms of Service from their competitor without any regard to the transferability of Twitch's terms to their particular service or business model.
This feasibility of this interpretation is fueled by the fact that the entire Terms of Service as listed on AZUBU's website seems disjointed, unorganized, and written with different voices.
Can those with more knowledge about this situation comment on the matter? This thread was made in reaction to publicly-available information found on both company's websites.
The implications of the first interpretation aren't as significant, I feel, as the implications of the second: a company directly copy-pasting legal documents so haphazardly.
Relevant links:
http://www.azubu.tv/footer/legal/service.jsp
http://www.twitch.tv/user/legal
http://pastebin.com/bqaLf60s
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This is very strange! I would like to see a response from both parties!
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Wow, either way this looks bad for azubu tv competing with twitch. Either they are owned by the same people who own twitch, or they are lazy/ incompetent enough to strait up copy paste terms of service from their competitor, which does not look good at all for the quality of the company.
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Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.
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On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.
Obviously after the silly stuff happened on their website before he wanted to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Plus, even today, no one knows what the fuck Azubu DOES. It's worth investigating.
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Hong Kong9183 Posts
On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.
I have made a habit of reading legal stuff and considering what I find before I sign up or use a service, it's just good practice to do it.
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I think it has to be option 2, I can't see any reason for jtv to open another competing service for any reason what so ever. It just wouldn't make sense.
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On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:
Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.
I assume more people now, especially streamers would read the fine print ever since the whole incident with Own3d.tv
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wait, what...azubu.tv IS twitch.tv?
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On March 05 2013 14:40 Integra wrote:
wait, what...azubu.tv IS twitch.tv?
No wonder azubu had so much money to throw around before they "did" anything!
It all makes so much sense now! The secret has finally been exposed, justin.tv faked a competitor to further manipulate the streaming industry.
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On March 05 2013 14:44 Rekrul wrote:
AZUBUCOM
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On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
What does dba mean?
It's in the OP.
DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name.
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On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
What does dba mean?
doing business as
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Hong Kong9183 Posts
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azubu is a registered corporation (assuming this is a related corp). i couldnt find twitch so they may be under a different name, or they arent registered in California to do business.
Entity Name: AZUBU NORTH AMERICA INC.
Entity Number: C3523560
Date Filed: 12/12/2012
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: DELAWARE
Entity Address: 1639 11TH STREET
Entity City, State, Zip: SANTA MONICA CA 90404
Agent for Service of Process: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM
Agent Address: 818 W SEVENTH ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90017
http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/
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Well they're both in SF, although azubu's location is different from twitch.
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Competition is almost always good in scenarios like this.
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soemone pointed out twitch is owned by justin.tv
Entity Name: JUSTIN.TV, INC.
Entity Number: C2794497
Date Filed: 12/29/2006
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: DELAWARE
Entity Address: 47 LUSK ST
Entity City, State, Zip: SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107
Agent for Service of Process: MICHAEL SEIBEL
Agent Address: 47 LUSK ST
Agent City, State, Zip: SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107
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