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Hey Teamliquid,
I've been a devoted SPL viewer since the hybrid league and am enjoying it very much. At first I was skeptical about the new casters, Whiplash and Supernovamaniac, mostly based on the negative reception the community displayed towards them, as well as a couple of mistakes they made while casting.
Over the course of SPL so far, however, I've grown to like them both very much. I really admire the amount of work they put into recording statistics, interesting storyline, and incorperating both bw and sc2 history. I also really enjoy the Korean translations for the interviews! As whiplash said himself, they've had mostly negative reception, and its hurtful, but they are trying very hard to improve. They are clearly putting in the work, that much is indisputable. I am also impressed with their increase in game knowledge.
I was curious what everyone else thought of them after having let them settle in for a bit of time. Please post your constructive criticism, things you enjoy about their casting, things they can work on, etc.
PLEASE, if you post criticism, do so with respect. If people get too crazy and start hatefully bashing, I'll PM a mod and ask them to close the thread!
Poll: What do you think of whiplash and SNM's casting now?I dislike it. (812) 51% It needs improvement. (560) 35% I enjoy it! (235) 15% 1607 total votes Your vote: What do you think of whiplash and SNM's casting now? (Vote): I enjoy it!
(Vote): It needs improvement.
(Vote): I dislike it.
And seeing as I know they both read the forums pretty religiously, I want to say directly to them, thank you for your hard work and dedication. You may think nobody likes your casting, but that is a byproduct of the people with negative opinions being more vocal than the guys with positive opinions. Many of the community go through it, even guys like incontrol, so don't let it get you too down.
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Whiplash is cool, but snm... yeah....
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On January 21 2013 11:46 Son of Gnome wrote:
Whiplash is cool, but snm... yeah....
I personally like whiplash more as well, but I feel like snm is growing a lot. The only thing I really don't like about his casting is that he can't handle whiplashes jokes and kinda blows him off and doesn't play along.
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I haven't gotten to watch them since R2 started because of work and odd hours but I noticed significant improvement from the start till I stopped watching. I think they will develop into good casters as time goes on.
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I watched the matches last night, and enjoy being able to watch with English commentary. I don't know the casters by their voices so i can't say which one it was but felt one of them was trying to do a bit to much off topic/color commentary ... example one kept saying something along the lines that fantasy was the final boss over and over i almost shut it off ... it think both will get better, over all i do enjoy the cast mainly because its in English.
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They were awful at the start, but they've gotten a bit better recently. Still need to get better though.
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On January 21 2013 11:48 jax1492 wrote:
I watched the matches last night, and enjoy being able to watch with English commentary. I don't know the casters by their voices so i can't say which one it was but felt one of them was trying to do a bit to much off topic/color commentary ... example one kept saying something along the lines that fantasy was the final boss over and over i almost shut it off ... it think both will get better, over all i do enjoy the cast mainly because its in English.
That was whiplash.
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On January 21 2013 11:46 triforks wrote:
love the PL casts!
then you should see a doctor, because I think something is seriously wrong with you
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On January 21 2013 11:48 URLateral wrote:then you should see a doctor, because I think something is seriously wrong with you
I love them too. Just because we have differing opinions doesn't mean anything 
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I feel everyone should be nicer to casters in general when posting about them (again, you can post criticism/feedback but it can be constructive) because both of them read TL and post on these forums. Whiplash made a few blogs regarding his experiences casting too.
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Whiplash is fine -- I rather enjoyed the first day's solo casts when SNM hadn't arrived yet. But I find myself mostly listening to the korean commentary or alternate casts because SNM's presence is so jarring. He seems to do a lot of "prescriptive" commentary as to what he would do in that situation, and I find that incredibly distracting since a lot of it is either wrong / overly presumptuous. Also, he tends to call the situation wrong a lot, and Whiplash has to correct him. It's generally a frustrating experience to try to listen to and most of the time I'll switch audio after about 30 minutes or so.
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On January 21 2013 11:48 ConGee wrote:
They were awful at the start, but they've gotten a bit better recently. Still need to get better though.
I agree.
In general Whiplash is alright as a caster but SNM is abysmal.
He has no idea what he is talking about, frequently even calls obvious action wrong, has fairly poor English in general and so adds nothing as either an analytical or a play-by-play caster.
I am not super picky with casters but between their bad casting and the constant, repetitive adds (even over top of commentary some times) I frequently turn off this stream.
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I've seen people say SNM has a speech impediment, does he legitimately have one, or were they just referring to his constant stumbling over words (which he has since stopped). He uses a lot of odd language, uses the word "huge" wayy too often, it's like it's the only word in his vocabulary that refers to a "large amount of something"; "create"
instead of "make", among many others that just sound wrong. I know he's not from America or anything, but I know he knows the appropriate words.
I only ask because I'm a stutterer, not as bad as I used to be, but I used to substitute words that were easier to say, even if it sounded a bit odd. If he does have a speech impediment, then I can relate and understand. But if it's not.. then it's something he really needs to work on.
I also get the impression that has long as he's constantly talking, he's doing his job. Far more often than not, he's just random things that are barely cohesive, let alone correct (lots of casters say a lot of wrong this, but I've never been so annoyed by the quantity of it til I've heard SNM cast every week).
I really feel like being a good caster just isn't in SNM's personality. I could be wrong, probably am, whatever, but I really cannot stand the guy.
I like Whiplash though, no complaints.
edit - They work hard, it's obvious they do a lot of talking between eachother on their days off to see what they can improve on, I appreciate that (not that we should expect less). But the above are my thoughts as of now
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Another one of these threads? Nothing has good has come out of these, I hope SNM and Whiplash does what Tasteless does and ignores this thread.
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No option for 'I dislike it currently, but could see myself liking the casts more as they continue to improve', but that would be my vote. Sure, they've gotten better, but they still have a long way to go.
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On January 21 2013 11:54 faiza wrote:
No option for 'I dislike it currently, but could see myself liking the casts more as they continue to improve', but that would be my vote. Sure, they've gotten better, but they still have a long way to go.
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Look at the voting options again. You'll find what you're looking for.
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On January 21 2013 11:54 faiza wrote:
No option for 'I dislike it currently, but could see myself liking the casts more as they continue to improve', but that would be my vote. Sure, they've gotten better, but they still have a long way to go.
Thats kinda what I was going for with the needs improvement option lol. Like a middle ground.
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SNM talks over Whiplash a lot (which is extra bad, as Whiplash is actually decent), he says nonsensical things (directly contradicts himself with his wording), has either a speech impediment or a super-strong accent that's simply unacceptable for a professional broadcaster of anything, has no idea what is going on in the game (has actually criticized a player for "throwing away lings" when counterattacks were the only thing keeping that player in the game, among other horrible misreads of the action) and fakes emotion (sudden gg's having no relation to the tone of the previous cast).
He's really, really bad, and I no longer turn into the twitch stream because of SNM's casting. I only watch the Korean-audio stream, or if that isn't working well, I don't watch Proleague at all.
I don't have anything against the guy personally, but call a spade a spade. He's the worst SC2 caster I've heard yet.
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