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MrZentor
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MrZentor
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Days should be 48-72 hours. | ||
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MrZentor
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I completely disagree. We have time, and we should use it. If you're town, you shouldn't have motivation problems finding scum. If we end up going for like 5 days or something, I'd sympathize with this, but 3-4 days is completely standard in every insta-lynch game I've played (atleast on Day 1). Forcing ourselves to abide by some arbitrary lynch deadline is pretty much the worst thing you can do. We have time, and we should use it. It is easy to overuse it to the point that we're harming ourselves. There is a correct amount of time required to make a decent lynch. If we decide now that days should be at least 72 hours, I'm afraid certain people (like you) will feel the need to lengthen a particular day, just for sake of having more time and abiding by this rule, even though it doesn't really help us. If you're town, you shouldn't have motivation problems finding scum. That's simply not always true. Many times a townie will stop hunting because nobody else is receptive to their ideas, they feel they found scum but everybody is too obstinate to listen to them. This is just one example. There is a plethora of reasons for why a townie might not have motivation to find scum. I'd sympathize with this, but 3-4 days is completely standard in every insta-lynch game I've played (atleast on Day 1) I don't really care what's standard. We should lynch when we as a whole feel ready to. It's stupid to wait extra time, just to abide by the "standard." | ||
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MrZentor
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We should instead have guidelines. 48-72 hours | ||
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But don't tell anybody. | ||
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MrZentor
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ShiaoPi pulled a BH. | ||
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MrZentor
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It's unlikely that scum will want to have the final vote on somebody, because it will put them under a lot of scrutiny. | ||
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MrZentor
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 07:23 Xatalos wrote: Sorry for the late entrance, but I warned about this pre-game :/ Anyways, there are a couple of players whose posting I haven't liked so far: MrZentor Additional discussion time benefits town and damages Mafia. Mafia's agenda is to stall discussion and create confusion - both of these goals are achieved by faster lynches where less players can offer their opinions. From my point of view, the above post is pushing Mafia agenda. This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? Another post that doesn't fit into town agenda. Regardless of the trollish appearance, this post actually gives MrZentor more breathing room if he just joins a bandwagon without good reasoning later on. He told he would do so after all, didn't he? More fluff... So far there's nothing townish in MrZentor's filter, and too much useless/anti-town stuff to be overlooked. If he's town, he needs to change his playstyle completely. If he's Mafia, he needs to continue on his current path and convince us he can't be town. Mr. Cheesecake Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far. jaybrundage This is his whole filter. It's certainly... lacking, for a lack of better word. First he speculates a bit about blue roles, then gives a list of vague of his policy opinions, then leaves. It's just all too vague and pointless for my liking. What's up with this lack of effort, interest, anything really? Some players have been very active so far and it's definitely a good theme in this game. But some players (like these 3 above) have done practically nothing, even if they have posted. That should be some reason for concern to anyone. Additional discussion time benefits town and damages Mafia. Mafia's agenda is to stall discussion and create confusion - both of these goals are achieved by faster lynches where less players can offer their opinions. From my point of view, the above post is pushing Mafia agenda. Up to a certain point, additional discussion time benefits town, obviously. But a lot of people seem to think that more time is ALWAYS good for town. They don't realize that after a certain point, not being able to lynch somebody, because of all this extra time, hurts town. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's pushing Mafia agenda. K? This post basically repeats what was already said in the previous post... Plus some obvious setup talk that anyone could post, no matter their alignment. It's quite unnecessary to mention that his "faster lynches plan" is a guideline and not a strictly enforced rule. Who would have thought so in the first place, really? What post? This post? On January 04 2013 11:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Haha that's hilarious. Still, we can't judge anything based on him being a smurf. Not really going to dwell or speculate on it further. Another post that doesn't fit into town agenda. Regardless of the trollish appearance, this post actually gives MrZentor more breathing room if he just joins a bandwagon without good reasoning later on. He told he would do so after all, didn't he? I didn't say I would join a bandwagon with any good reason. I said I would be the final vote in the lynching of somebody. And scum wouldn't make a post like that. The easiest thing for them to do is recycle reasons while adding a few pointless one of their owns for joining a bandwagon. Also, mafia wouldn't want to have the hammer vote. | ||
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MrZentor
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Well, I'm not really sure how MrZentor is so easy to read... I'm having extreme difficulties reading him. And I've played with him in two games before too. It shouldn't be too hard to fake some joke posts, right? Especially with his general low activity and lack of any content. 1. I make myself so easy to read by doing a lot of things mafia would be hesitant to do, things that are so obviously scummy that mafia have a lot of difficulty actually doing them. Look at the first day in Witchcraft Mafia for an example. 2. I get more active and generally create more content as time goes on and town gets more information. Again, I'd like to cite Witchcraft Mafia as an example. How many times have you been scum in forum mafia, Xatalos? | ||
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1)Hapahauli 2) MrZentor 3) Mr. CheeseCake 4) Xatalos 5) jaybrundage 6) DarthPunk 7) yamato77 8) RiseAgain 9) ShiaoPi | ||
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MrZentor
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And what do you think of Xatalos? | ||
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MrZentor
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Lurking is fucking shit, even more so in this setup. If you lurk that will make me want to lynch you. The thing that is hurting this game the most right now is lurking. So why are you not saying anything about lurking? In fact the only time you have 'pressured' people is when another player first comments on them. Shiao Pi with Riseagain and myself with Yamato. That is quite distinct to what you did in witchcraft for example, which was push people on your own regardless of the positions of others, make a strong case and ask people to judge that on it's merits. Posts like these make me think he is town. He's one of the more difficult people to read, so I think it would be best to wait a day before lynching him. | ||
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