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** Please read whole post or at least part where I explain "Overall" term used in my results  thanks! ***
*** Thanks Jebediah for those mapstats, link to post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17090758 ***
Hello, out of curiosity I've calculated winratios by race for winners bracket (1-5 round) and losers bracket (1-7 round) of IPL 5 Tournament, so its quite up-to-date info. If anybody interested I can send excel file in which every calculation was proceed. Just PM.
Other thing I want to tell is that I feel it is pointless to calculate winratios for Final Bracket of IPL5 because there is only one terran left Source of data that I was using is
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5/Main_Event
And please keep balance QQ as far as possible away from this thread! Thanks in advance.
Before we look into results, I want to explain few things.
Xrace wins% formula: sum of race wins in specific MU divided by amount of same MUs. For example Zerg wins% vs Terran = 13 zerg wins against terran divided by 19 TvZs (see source)
"Overall" result includes every win of specific race (even in mirrors) divided by all matches in analysed bracket.
Ok, let's go!
Results:
Winners Bracket round 1-5:
Matches (not maps) played: 59
ZvT played: 19
TvP played: 10
PvZ played: 16
Mirrors: 14
Above don't include walkovers
Zerg wins%:
- vT: 68,42%
- vP: 43,75%
Terran wins%:
- vZ: 31,58%
- vP: 60,00%
Protoss wins%:
- vZ: 56,25%
- vT: 40,00%
Losers Bracket round 1-7:
Matches (not maps) played: 54
ZvT played: 13
TvP played: 10
PvZ played: 13
Mirrors: 18
Above don't include walkovers
Zerg wins%:
- vT: 69,23%
- vP: 76,92%
Terran wins%:
- vZ: 30,77%
- vP: 50,00%
Protoss wins%:
- vZ: 23,08%
- vT: 50,00%
Average results (WB 1-5 + LB 1-7)
Zerg wins%:
- vT: 68,83%
- vP: 60,34%
Terran wins%:
- vZ: 31,17%
- vP: 55,00%
Protoss wins%:
- vZ: 39,66%
- vT: 45,00%
So.. that is all! Thanks for reading, I hope that at least one person find it helpful and/or informative. Also, I will gladly hear from you what to fix or add , Cheers
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I hope that at least one person find it helpful and/or informative. It's going to help a few hundred people to continue complaining about balance.
But I like it for the sake of knowing, with no intent to do anything with the information
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Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example
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On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example
That's the percentage of games won by the race out of total number of games played, not an average win %.
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glad to see it's all close to 50%
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On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example
I don't understand either...
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On December 02 2012 07:07 Viperbird wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example I don't understand either...
If I won 9-1 tvz, I have a 90% winrate.
If I won 1-4 tvp, I have a 20% winrate.
I have a 66.67% (10/15) total winrate, even though the average of the 2 is 55% (110/2).
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On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example
There were many mirrors among multirace MU's, so overall result is highly affected, thus downed. Formula for zerg: (wins vT+ vP+ vZ) / (ZvTs + ZvPs + ZvZs)
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I don't think that the "Overall" is the average of vT & vP, it could just be combined total Win/Loss of all zergs in the tourney, maybe?
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On December 02 2012 07:07 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example That's the percentage of games won by the race out of total number of games played, not an average win %.
The numbers still don't make any sense, though. If Terran is winning 31% of their vZ, 55% of their vP, and 50% of their vT (obviously), how does it end up as 24% overall?
If I won 9-1 tvz, I have a 90% winrate.
If I won 1-4 tvp, I have a 20% winrate.
I have a 66.67% (10/15) total winrate, even though the average of the 2 is 55% (110/2).
That's not how you calculate an average in a situation like that. You've played twice as many TvZs, so you use a weighted average, i.e. (2*90 + 20)/3 = 66.67
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This simply confirms that TvZ is absolutely broken and in favor of Z.
Nothing new, but still interesting to have the stats supporting the claims.
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Your "overall" winrates make no sense..
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Aside from being interesting using data like this from a single tournament is pointless. Sample size way to small.
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Including mirrors makes no sense.
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On December 02 2012 07:11 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:07 Jormundr wrote:On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example That's the percentage of games won by the race out of total number of games played, not an average win %. The numbers still don't make any sense, though. If Terran is winning 31% of their vZ, 55% of their vP, and 50% of their vT (obviously), how does it end up as 24% overall?
Because we had much less terran games against other races, thus in general they will have less wins.
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On December 02 2012 07:14 raQn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:11 corpuscle wrote:On December 02 2012 07:07 Jormundr wrote:On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example That's the percentage of games won by the race out of total number of games played, not an average win %. The numbers still don't make any sense, though. If Terran is winning 31% of their vZ, 55% of their vP, and 50% of their vT (obviously), how does it end up as 24% overall? Because we had much less terran games against other races, thus in general they will have less wins.
...so are you calculating "terran winrate" as "number of games terran won"/"total games played in general"? It explains your numbers, at least, but kind of makes them useless...
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On December 02 2012 07:14 xPabt wrote:
Including mirrors makes no sense.
Imo, not at all. Because mirrors still stands for decent number of matches, so if we want to have realistic statistics we need to consider them. Of course ZvZ always mean that Z wins but if we want to calculate specific race wins in general we need to include all matches.
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On December 02 2012 07:11 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:07 Jormundr wrote:On December 02 2012 07:04 corpuscle wrote:
Um, seems to me like you're factoring in mirror matchups in the "overall" score, unless I'm missing something big... I don't really see how a 69% vT and 61% vP can average out to 52%, for example That's the percentage of games won by the race out of total number of games played, not an average win %. The numbers still don't make any sense, though. If Terran is winning 31% of their vZ, 55% of their vP, and 50% of their vT (obviously), how does it end up as 24% overall? Show nested quote +If I won 9-1 tvz, I have a 90% winrate.
If I won 1-4 tvp, I have a 20% winrate.
I have a 66.67% (10/15) total winrate, even though the average of the 2 is 55% (110/2). That's not how you calculate an average in a situation like that. You've played twice as many TvZs, so you use a weighted average, i.e. (2*90 + 20)/3 = 66.67
You're telling me that doing 10/15 does not calculate your total average win percentage..? Total wins / total games = total win rate. Don't need to weight anything. There is more than 1 way of doing simple calculations.
Aside from being interesting using data like this from a single tournament is pointless. Sample size way to small.
Sample size? He used the population. There can not physically be a bigger "sample".
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holy fuck 70% in zvt?! that is some serious payback from the BW days 
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Don't include mirrors in those calculations. There's no point.
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