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On December 02 2012 07:17 raQn wrote:Imo, not at all. Because mirrors still stands for decent number of matches, so if we want to have realistic statistics we need to consider them. Of course ZvZ always mean that Z wins  but if we want to calculate specific race wins in general we need to include all matches.
You don't include mirrors because it makes the numbers misleading. Whichever race plays the most mirrors (in this case, Zerg) is going to have their number somewhat arbitrarily skewed towards 50%.
If, let's say, Zerg was 15-5 vT, 15-5 vP, and 30-30 vZ, they'd have a 60% overall winrate, which doesn't sound awful, but covers up the fact that they're actually winning 75% of the time in non-mirrors.
You're telling me that doing 10/15 does not calculate your total average win percentage..? Total wins / total games = total win rate. Don't need to weight anything. There is more than 1 way of doing simple calculations.
10/15 is the winrate. I was telling you that you calculated your "average" wrong. You have to use a weight or else it's a meaningless stat.
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so fucking imbalance it isn't even funny. at this point, where money is involved in a huge stake and the situation is not looked into for, what?, over a few months already shows how disappointing the lack of adjustments are in the game despite the said results.
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Zenbrez said it badly, let me tell it more clearly:
You win TvP 1-4 (20% winrate)
You win TvZ 9-1 (90% winrate)
Now If I were to make an average of these two, without weighing in the amount of games played, my winrate is 55%
But actually, I've won 10 games and lost 5, that means that my winrate is 66.6% (10/15*100)
the OP factored in the amount of games played, therefore, the average is skewed to one side or another, no surprise.
BTW, this is grade school mathematics and I'm kind of ashamed I'm forced to explain this kind of thing to tl users, I thought you guys were smart!
Edit: More or less ninja'd by corpuscle.
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Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...
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On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...
we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed
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So do we really need another thread about balance? This isn't reddit right?
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On December 02 2012 07:20 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:17 raQn wrote:On December 02 2012 07:14 xPabt wrote:
Including mirrors makes no sense.
Imo, not at all. Because mirrors still stands for decent number of matches, so if we want to have realistic statistics we need to consider them. Of course ZvZ always mean that Z wins but if we want to calculate specific race wins in general we need to include all matches. You don't include mirrors because it makes the numbers misleading. Whichever race plays the most mirrors (in this case, Zerg) is going to have their number somewhat arbitrarily skewed towards 50%. If, let's say, Zerg was 15-5 vT, 15-5 vP, and 30-30 vZ, they'd have a 60% overall winrate, which doesn't sound awful, but covers up the fact that they're actually winning 75% of the time in non-mirrors.
Thanks for contribution, of course you are right, but I think that Overall is still good indicator (but somewhat confusing at first glance). We can read from it how specific race deals in bracket by how many games and wins generates (even in mirror).
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Terran and Protoss... those poor guys xD
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On December 02 2012 07:22 MicroTastiC wrote:
so fucking imbalance it isn't even funny. at this point, where money is involved in a huge stake and the situation is not looked into for, what?, over a few months already shows how disappointing the lack of adjustments are in the game despite the said results.
People like you should be perma banned from internet, you dont understand stats op posted and you draw some awful conclusion just to back up your balance whining. Stupid Blizzard if only they knew that there are so many smart guys like you that they can hire and make game perfect.
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The overall stat is not needed I think. Instead we could include winrate of ZvX (X not = Z), TvX etc
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On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those... we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed
Well excuse me for being tired of reading the same thing about 100times/hour.
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Glad to see zerg is still fucking op as hell!
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On December 02 2012 07:36 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those... we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed Well excuse me for being tired of reading the same thing about 100times/hour.
Leave the internet, it is pretty much one long regurgitation of the same shit invented by a few smart people.
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The overall is the number of games won by a race divided by the total number of games played whatever the races. for example number of games won by a Z dividede by total of games played.
It is clearly defined in the OP.
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Mapstats so far:
ZvT
49-29
62,8% - 37,2%
ZvP
41-31
56,9% - 43,1%
TvP
26-21
55,3% - 44,7%
All in all:
Zerg: 90W-60L 60%
Protoss: 52W-67L 43,9%
Terran: 55W-70L 44%
This excludes mirrors, was done by hand and I didn't doublecheck, so please excuse mistakes.
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On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...
70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol?
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On December 02 2012 07:45 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those... 70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol?
Sigh, i wish people would fucking read for once.
I NEVER said the game was balanced so please stop trying to make up i did.
I know the game is imbalanced atm but i am just so tired of reading it over and over and over and over.
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On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those... we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed
you obviously have no idea how blizzard operates, they arent gonna be like "hey guys i saw 50 threads on balance this week on TL !" "nah who cares" - "this week there was 75 threads!" "MOTHER OF GOD NERF ZERG NOW"
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On December 02 2012 07:45 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those... 70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol?
We'll have to wait until the head emerges from the bunghole.
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On December 02 2012 07:48 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those... we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed you obviously have no idea how blizzard operates, they arent gonna be like "hey guys i saw 50 threads on balance this week on TL !" "nah who cares" - "this week there was 75 threads!" "MOTHER OF GOD NERF ZERG NOW"
actually thats exactly how blizzard operates.
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