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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:24:42
December 01 2012 22:20 GMT
#21
On December 02 2012 07:17 raQn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:14 xPabt wrote:
Including mirrors makes no sense.



Imo, not at all. Because mirrors still stands for decent number of matches, so if we want to have realistic statistics we need to consider them. Of course ZvZ always mean that Z wins but if we want to calculate specific race wins in general we need to include all matches.


You don't include mirrors because it makes the numbers misleading. Whichever race plays the most mirrors (in this case, Zerg) is going to have their number somewhat arbitrarily skewed towards 50%.

If, let's say, Zerg was 15-5 vT, 15-5 vP, and 30-30 vZ, they'd have a 60% overall winrate, which doesn't sound awful, but covers up the fact that they're actually winning 75% of the time in non-mirrors.

You're telling me that doing 10/15 does not calculate your total average win percentage..? Total wins / total games = total win rate. Don't need to weight anything. There is more than 1 way of doing simple calculations.


10/15 is the winrate. I was telling you that you calculated your "average" wrong. You have to use a weight or else it's a meaningless stat.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
December 01 2012 22:22 GMT
#22
so fucking imbalance it isn't even funny. at this point, where money is involved in a huge stake and the situation is not looked into for, what?, over a few months already shows how disappointing the lack of adjustments are in the game despite the said results.
Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:26:39
December 01 2012 22:24 GMT
#23
Zenbrez said it badly, let me tell it more clearly:
You win TvP 1-4 (20% winrate)
You win TvZ 9-1 (90% winrate)
Now If I were to make an average of these two, without weighing in the amount of games played, my winrate is 55%
But actually, I've won 10 games and lost 5, that means that my winrate is 66.6% (10/15*100)
the OP factored in the amount of games played, therefore, the average is skewed to one side or another, no surprise.
BTW, this is grade school mathematics and I'm kind of ashamed I'm forced to explain this kind of thing to tl users, I thought you guys were smart!

Edit: More or less ninja'd by corpuscle.
¨First in, last out.¨
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 22:28 GMT
#24
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
December 01 2012 22:29 GMT
#25
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...


we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed
roym899
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany426 Posts
December 01 2012 22:30 GMT
#26
So do we really need another thread about balance? This isn't reddit right?
raQn
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland21 Posts
December 01 2012 22:31 GMT
#27
On December 02 2012 07:20 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:17 raQn wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:14 xPabt wrote:
Including mirrors makes no sense.



Imo, not at all. Because mirrors still stands for decent number of matches, so if we want to have realistic statistics we need to consider them. Of course ZvZ always mean that Z wins but if we want to calculate specific race wins in general we need to include all matches.


You don't include mirrors because it makes the numbers misleading. Whichever race plays the most mirrors (in this case, Zerg) is going to have their number somewhat arbitrarily skewed towards 50%.

If, let's say, Zerg was 15-5 vT, 15-5 vP, and 30-30 vZ, they'd have a 60% overall winrate, which doesn't sound awful, but covers up the fact that they're actually winning 75% of the time in non-mirrors.


Thanks for contribution, of course you are right, but I think that Overall is still good indicator (but somewhat confusing at first glance). We can read from it how specific race deals in bracket by how many games and wins generates (even in mirror).
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#28
Terran and Protoss... those poor guys xD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
balosan
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland232 Posts
December 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#29
On December 02 2012 07:22 MicroTastiC wrote:
so fucking imbalance it isn't even funny. at this point, where money is involved in a huge stake and the situation is not looked into for, what?, over a few months already shows how disappointing the lack of adjustments are in the game despite the said results.


People like you should be perma banned from internet, you dont understand stats op posted and you draw some awful conclusion just to back up your balance whining. Stupid Blizzard if only they knew that there are so many smart guys like you that they can hire and make game perfect.
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
December 01 2012 22:34 GMT
#30
The overall stat is not needed I think. Instead we could include winrate of ZvX (X not = Z), TvX etc
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 01 2012 22:36 GMT
#31
On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...


we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed

Well excuse me for being tired of reading the same thing about 100times/hour.
honkeybeef
Profile Joined July 2011
United States143 Posts
December 01 2012 22:38 GMT
#32
Glad to see zerg is still fucking op as hell!
Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
December 01 2012 22:39 GMT
#33
On December 02 2012 07:36 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...


we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed

Well excuse me for being tired of reading the same thing about 100times/hour.

Leave the internet, it is pretty much one long regurgitation of the same shit invented by a few smart people.
¨First in, last out.¨
Guidji
Profile Joined March 2011
France20 Posts
December 01 2012 22:41 GMT
#34
The overall is the number of games won by a race divided by the total number of games played whatever the races. for example number of games won by a Z dividede by total of games played.
It is clearly defined in the OP.
Jebediah
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany106 Posts
December 01 2012 22:45 GMT
#35
Mapstats so far:

ZvT
49-29
62,8% - 37,2%

ZvP
41-31
56,9% - 43,1%

TvP
26-21
55,3% - 44,7%

All in all:
Zerg: 90W-60L 60%
Protoss: 52W-67L 43,9%
Terran: 55W-70L 44%

This excludes mirrors, was done by hand and I didn't doublecheck, so please excuse mistakes.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
December 01 2012 22:45 GMT
#36
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...

70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 22:49:59
December 01 2012 22:47 GMT
#37
On December 02 2012 07:45 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...

70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol?

Sigh, i wish people would fucking read for once.
I NEVER said the game was balanced so please stop trying to make up i did.
I know the game is imbalanced atm but i am just so tired of reading it over and over and over and over.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
December 01 2012 22:48 GMT
#38
On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...


we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed


you obviously have no idea how blizzard operates, they arent gonna be like "hey guys i saw 50 threads on balance this week on TL !" "nah who cares" - "this week there was 75 threads!" "MOTHER OF GOD NERF ZERG NOW"
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 01 2012 22:49 GMT
#39
On December 02 2012 07:45 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...

70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol?


We'll have to wait until the head emerges from the bunghole.
twitch.tv/duttroach
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
December 01 2012 22:49 GMT
#40
On December 02 2012 07:48 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 07:29 MicroTastiC wrote:
On December 02 2012 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Great, another balance whining thread.
Clearly we didn't have enough of those...


we don't because as long as money is involved, and the situation isn't addressed, we clearly dont have enough whining threads to complain about a problem. how else can a problem be addressed


you obviously have no idea how blizzard operates, they arent gonna be like "hey guys i saw 50 threads on balance this week on TL !" "nah who cares" - "this week there was 75 threads!" "MOTHER OF GOD NERF ZERG NOW"


actually thats exactly how blizzard operates.
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