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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:47 Assirra wrote: Sigh, i wish people would fucking read for once. I NEVER said the game was balanced so please stop trying to make up i did. And here YOU go, whining about balance. See how annoying it is to be accused of "whining" when all you're doing is observing a recent trend that favours one race? | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:45 SupLilSon wrote: 70% ZvT is pretty fucking alarming. How long are we gonna watch ZvZ finals and completely 1 sided rapes until you give up trying to dispel the truth lol? Sigh, i wish people would fucking read for once. its over one tournament........... say the top 3 players at this tournament are zerg, then those 3 players are gonna win a lot more than they lose, and will completely destroy the win rates in zergs favour. Statistics are no measure of balance. even if you have the stats from an entire month, leenock and life probably have a combined winrate of something like 80% over 40 games or even more games this month, thats because they are 2 of the best palyers atm, that completely squeues balance stats. | ||
NonY
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:50 L3g3nd_ wrote: Sigh, i wish people would fucking read for once. its over one tournament........... say the top 3 players at this tournament are zerg, then those 3 players are gonna win a lot more than they lose, and will completely destroy the win rates in zergs favour. Statistics are no measure of balance. even if you have the stats from an entire month, leenock and life probably have a combined winrate of something like 80% over 40 games or even more games this month, thats because they are 2 of the best palyers atm, that completely squeues balance stats. Such a bad example i can't even believe it.I can make this stupid excuse about mvp, taeja, rain, parting and etc. to the point where terran and protoss will have close to zero win ratio in tournaments. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:50 L3g3nd_ wrote: its over one tournament........... say the top 3 players at this tournament are zerg, then those 3 players are gonna win a lot more than they lose, and will completely destroy the win rates in zergs favour. this, this, 100 times this. i mean it's a nice thread and everything, but anyone using raw percentages from a small sample size without even considering quality of players in each race is ridiculous. | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:11 corpuscle wrote: The numbers still don't make any sense, though. If Terran is winning 31% of their vZ, 55% of their vP, and 50% of their vT (obviously), how does it end up as 24% overall? That's not how you calculate an average in a situation like that. You've played twice as many TvZs, so you use a weighted average, i.e. (2*90 + 20)/3 = 66.67 Mirror Matches are always 50% so they bring the overall win rate closer to 50. By how much is dependent on how many mirror matches of each there was, i.e. 30 PvPs vs 60 ZvZs means the ZvZ will be pulled closer to 50% for zerg than for Protoss. | ||
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FeyverN
United States104 Posts
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JMDj
United States454 Posts
The tournament isn't even over yet but you stressed that you were looking for the "Overall" winrates? Is this a really elaborate joke or something? That's going to skew the results immensely, THERE ARE STILL GAMES THAT HAVE TO BE PLAYED. I wish people would actually spend time playing the game instead of coming up with the most retarded ways to justify their balance complaints. User was warned for this post | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:47 Assirra wrote: Sigh, i wish people would fucking read for once. I NEVER said the game was balanced so please stop trying to make up i did. I know the game is imbalanced atm but i am just so tired of reading it over and over and over and over. Well the rest of us are actually tired of the game being imbalanced. I won't get tired of hearing that until the game is fixed tbh. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:59 Swagasaurus wrote: OP you're seriously so incomprehensibly stupid i don't know where to begin. The tournament isn't even over yet but you stressed that you were looking for the "Overall" winrates? Is this a really elabate joke or something? That's going to skew the results immensely, THERE ARE STILL GAMES THAT HAVE TO BE PLAYED. I wish people would actually spend time playing the game instead of coming up with the most retarded ways to justify their balance complaints. maybe you are incomprehensibly stupid to get so mad about non-finished tournament statistics? or maybe you are so mad because these statistics leads to a conclusion which can not be admitted by zerg players ? | ||
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raQn
Poland21 Posts
On December 02 2012 07:59 Swagasaurus wrote: OP you're seriously so incomprehensibly stupid i don't know where to begin. The tournament isn't even over yet but you stressed that you were looking for the "Overall" winrates? Is this a really elaborate joke or something? That's going to skew the results immensely, THERE ARE STILL GAMES THAT HAVE TO BE PLAYED. I wish people would actually spend time playing the game instead of coming up with the most retarded ways to justify their balance complaints. Thanks for your opinion, althrough expressed in not the best way  Also I explained in the OP why I didn't included Final Bracket. You completely got me wrong, sir. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:07 raQn wrote: Thanks for your opinion, althrough expressed in not the best way Also I explained in the OP why I didn't included Final Bracket. You completely got me wrong, sir. Thanks for the thread, it's too bad about half of the people that are responding didn't even read the entire OP. On December 02 2012 07:57 sixfour wrote: this, this, 100 times this. i mean it's a nice thread and everything, but anyone using raw percentages from a small sample size without even considering quality of players in each race is ridiculous. IPL is the most stacked tournament to date (outside of GSL). There are a lot of top terrans, lots of top protoss (maybe parting is the only one I can think of missing), and a lot of top zergs. The distribution of top tier players of each race is pretty even. Just look at each race: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5. There is no way anyone can believe that there are more top zergs than the other races. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
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convention
United States622 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:17 Serpico wrote: I'll wait until the games are actually finished. Three sets of games won't even make a difference compared to the hundreds that are already in the OP. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:14 convention wrote: Thanks for the thread, it's too bad about half of the people that are responding didn't even read the entire OP. The OP doesn't even contain a single assertion of balance, and I agree that it's fairly unbiased. The OP does however ask for input regarding things that are wrong with the calculations, and one thing that is wrong about them (or misleading) is a)"Overall" includes mirrors and b)The tournament isn't over. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:19 dUTtrOACh wrote: The OP doesn't even contain a single assertion of balance, and I agree that it's fairly unbiased. The OP does however ask for input regarding things that are wrong with the calculations, and one thing that is wrong about them (or misleading) is a)"Overall" includes mirrors and b)The tournament isn't over. For b), the last three sets of games will have no impact compared to the hundreds that have already been played. | ||
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FGFGFG
Netherlands21 Posts
the fact that race distribution is weighed in the ´overall´ stat makes it a bit confusing and useless, but still nice stats. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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raQn
Poland21 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:19 dUTtrOACh wrote: The OP doesn't even contain a single assertion of balance, and I agree that it's fairly unbiased. The OP does however ask for input regarding things that are wrong with the calculations, and one thing that is wrong about them (or misleading) is a)"Overall" includes mirrors and b)The tournament isn't over. Yes, I should maybe rename Overall or even remove it. As for b), convention has right, data from final bracket is irrevelant because there are 10 matches left (from over 100) with 2 terrans and 8 zerg fighting. | ||
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urbaNo
United States47 Posts
also kinda annoying that you did all this precise calculation, but then you used commas as opposed to periods for your decimal places in your percentages??? wtf? just saying... :D | ||
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