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First of all I´d like to claim miller. There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game. I am fakeclaiming as mafia. I am in fact a miller. My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment. The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red. That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet. Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out  | ||
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What I'm not loving is the excess of activity coming from debears. He's being very chit-chatty this game and here's what I find very interesting. He has commented on every single little thing on this game and is posting a ton (which by itself is anti-town, as it clogs up the thread and makes it difficult to read), but when dealing with the only significant thing that has yet happened in this thread, he simply shrugs it off as: On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote: Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me. ##vote debears | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote: also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote ##Vote strongandbig Debears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?". | ||
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On November 13 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote: The VT claim is significant why exactly? Scum just love implying they are town. | ||
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@debears On November 13 2012 10:16 debears wrote: z-bo, I face an onslaught of fluff accusations d1 last game. And, in the end, was night killed d1 after having 2/3 of my top reads being the two scum :D Great, grats. So you suffer an onslaught of fluff accusations day one, and yet you still plague the thread with fluff? Do you find nothing wrong with that? @marv So you say that you fit best the description of actively lurking, and pretty much continue to do that? Tell me more. | ||
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That should pretty much handle the vast chunk of shit I got the last few pages. There are, however, some things I'd like to point out during these last events, though: First thing to note is how uncharacteristically bad BH's case is against me. He's basically saying I'm bullshitting with every post I make. While I agree my posts are not the bestest they can be, I'm not sure why that implies I'm scum. He says this one thing in particular though: ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Note two things. 1) He's saying I'm setting up to look good as a wagon starter. This is balls-to-the wall dumb. How am I a wagon starter just for having the first vote? Also, as he himself noted, I did not write a full essay regarding why I think SnB is scum. I voted for him for implying that he is town, and that's basically it. If I wanted to become a "wagon starter", that's obviously the exact opposite of what I should do, I would make a much more elaborate case. Ironically, I could say the same about BH and his case on me, and with much more validity, as he actually goes deep in his case on me, and seems somehow certain of my alignment, something which he leaves very clear later on: ...I actually want to lynch ZB, and ZB is actually scum.... Now, I'm not scum, so in my pov he is pretty much full of shit with this remark. There's a difference between bad logic, the thing he is calling me on bullshitting, and actual bullshitting, which is what this "wagon starting" remark actually is. 2) He's saying my filter is short, and it's clear I'm not helping. Again, completely ironic and hypocritical. He has only three completely useless posts up until this one: On November 13 2012 15:38 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even. Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller. That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously. The second paragraph is completely fluffy, he's not actually saying anything. That being said, I would like everyone to pay attention to the bolded on the third paragraph. He heavily, heavily thrashes me for being weak on my vote on SnB. Let's ignore all the others, especially DP (who voted TWICE on SnB, without saying anything). Let's focus on what he says here on iamp - and this is important. He says that iamp is throwing his vote around to pressure people, and that's all A-ok. Now pause and think here. I'll quote what he said about that on me for clarity: ....S&B's "accidental" "vt claim" (both of those are in question) could be suspicious. But Z-B doesn't explain why. He doesn't set up a scum motive. He just slaps down a vote and bails. This is a chance to look like a townie wagon-started without doing analysis or writing the kind of long posts that could reveal his own scum motives. When Hapa rightly calls him on it ..... and ....A town player would lay out his own thought process right away so that others understand what he's thinking. He'd respond to s&B and push the wagon, not just slap down a vote and a bad explanation..... Now contrast that to what he said about iamp's voting. On iamp, he is completely casual regarding his voting. On his case on me, however, he's aggressive and incisive , as you can clearly tell from the quotes I posted above. Why does this make him scummy? Because it shows clear signs of fabrication, as one can easily infer from the quotes above. His views on "casual voting" are in complete contrast. One more thing, that I ignored earlier. If he feels so strongly about me voting SnB without giving any reasoning or thoughts, why isn't he going after DP, who's actually done that not once, but TWICE?? Townie Motivation: none. Scum motivation: he feels threatened that I have claimed miller and people are not showing signs of doubt on my claim. tl;dr 1) Blazinghand's case on me is uncharacteristically bad. It's also not consistent with his townie play on Liquid City. Look at his progression on Shiaopi, who was incidentally also making uncharacteristically bad cases as well. 2) Blazinghand is being supremely inconsistent, contradictory and hypocritical of what he defines as scum-motivated and what not, showing signs of someone who is merely fabricating cases, as detailed above. I tried to be as clear as possible here, because I don't want people to feel like this is just OMGUS. My votes on SnB and debears were more pressure votes, as if that wasn't pretty much clear. This one on blazinghand, is not. I think he's the best lynch so far, as everything I've stated seem to point on him being scum. ##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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On November 14 2012 01:09 Blazinghand wrote: When I get home I'll address that travesty againsf the human language that ZB thinks is a case but is in fact and OMGUS What the hell is this supposed to mean? Are you going to correct my grammar? Glad you hated the case I've put on you | ||
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I hated the reason for which he voted on me, but I share marv's stance on how he's drawing out unnecessary attention. The only thing that actually bugs me is his interaction with BH. As a townie, if I agree with someone, the last thing I would be thinking is: On November 14 2012 01:02 iamperfection wrote: do you know any of his scum games? the search function isn't helping me find all his games. What debears mentions is his radical switch from >>Hunting BH<< to >>Agreeing with BH<<. Except that this post I quoted is immediately after his vote on me. Here, he still shows interest in finding out if BH is scum, someone he had just agreed with. That being said, he is being incredibly flip-floppy, which I'm finding extremely weird. I don't think this is enough to peg him as scum though, I can imagine him as town being suspicious of everyone. I find BH's play to be much, much more appaling. I have only played one game with him, so I'm not super aware of his meta, but it is totally different than his Liquid City one. Here he has made one major case, a weak one at that, and established an unusally high amount of certainty on it, calling it "a masterpiece". That being said, right now I'm interested in debears, Crossfire, and thrawn. Crossfire is rather obvious, he's not posted and is heading off towards a modkill/replacement. I'm not considering him a lynch choice until he actually decides to post. Thrawn, however, is unusually inactive. I remember him as townie being much, much more active than this. He's actually managed to make one entrance post: [ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=19#361 ]. Shows some suspicions, ask some questions, and is gone like the wind. debears has also raised my eyebrows in this start of the game. He's been extremely fluffy in the beggining, and no matter what his meta is, that's not pro-town. Also, I don't like the feel of his case against iamp. He's establishing himself on some of hapa's arguments, but does not deal with this: On November 14 2012 02:53 marvellosity wrote: I don't understand why it's scum play. 1. Believes miller claim 2. Later decides he's scummy The scum motivation is what? He wanted a case to jump on? Is that it? Which to me feels like a natural step in accusing iamp of being scum. The most he's said is that he didn't agree with it, and I don't find that satisfactory at all given that he is pursuing a scumread. The only argument he added was "guilty conscience", to which I find very weak, as I don't find any motive for iamp to pursue something he doesn't think is strong. Anyways, had debears actually voted based on that, I would have been much more suspicious. Right now he just has my eyebrows raised. @debears I'd like you to expand a bit more on your read of iamp. 1) I get that you think he has bad reasoning for his switch. Why does this make him scummy? Bad reasoning =/= scummy unless it has scum motivation. What is the scum motivation of his actions? 2) Here you try to make this contrast: 1) He cares about how the town is viewing him 2) He doesn't believe his reasoning is that great for his vote -note the "well I think his actions speak louder". It's a weak statement. Not a strong one, (a strong one) which should be warranted when you change your read from town to scum in literally no time I've mentioned this above, but I'd like you to answer it. Why would scum iamp establish a vote for which he himself believes is not based on good reasoning? I don't understand why you are finding this scummy. Interpret this as: me not buying it. | ||
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On November 14 2012 06:16 Blazinghand wrote: You were starting a weak wagon. This is the easiest way to start a wagon as scum. You wanted to take a position that LOOKED good, which is started a wagon, without the commitment and risk that comes with it. Something you could back off of or move away from easily-- and look how you did. It was a vote with a ghost of a case rather than a real one. And you backtracked it quite well, but the point stands. Why "started a wagon"? I don't follow that terminology at all. First of all, I don't see how "starting a wagon" makes you look good. Scum are just as capable of starting a wagon as anyone else. Again, I could easily say the same thing about how you started a wagon on me. What you seem to be using to distinguish between the two is that I didn't make a case, hile you did. Right now I can't tell whether you are incapable of seeing it as a pressure vote as town (which to me, it seems actually quite obvious), or whether you are just trying to "look good" by appearing to be a confident townie. Yeah it was based on iamp being generally a bad player but there's also a difference between starting a wagon with no case and jumping on one with no case. In retrospect iamp was not immune to blame, but saying something like "he didn't attack iamperfection hard enough" or "one paragraph in this post was a bit fluffy" (when in fact it was not, i'm trying to help the players in this game play well) isn't a legitimate critique of my posting. Huh? Let me get this straight: starting a wagon with no case = scum. Jumping on a wagon with no case = less scum or townie. This because in the first part, you are trying to make yourself look good? You've made a good case for why DP and iamperfection are also scummy, but nothing here about why you're not. In retrospect, I shouldn't have implicitly rule out the possibility of you AND iamperfection being scum together. What do you want me to say? I'm not scum because I'm town? You want a self-arranged case on why I'm town? No, what I can do is explain why your case against me is bad, which I did. With the DP and imperfection argument, I've done just that - explained why your case is bad. Your arguments for finding me scum are more than applicable to other players, yet for some reason, you choose to target me, the guy who claimed miller. And, I think it's scummy here that A) you've backed away from your SnB vote and claimed it was just pressure when the wagon began to fall apart, just like you set up for when you voted B) this is basically a straight-up OMGUS Just like I did with debears. Not because "it fell apart", but because it was a pressure vote. The lack of a proper case is a testament to that. I had moved my vote over to iamperfection, and he seems scummy but I really can't ignore a shit OMGUS of this magnitude. Rereading I've realized it was a mistake to ever unvote you. And I am not threatened by your claim because a miller claim is meaningless-- it's a null tell. It's never factored into my case or my analysis of you, but you sure seem insecure about it. Did anyone say you felt threatened by my claim? Or are you just casually throwing that out there, such as a defensive scum? ##unvote ##vote ZB My response is in red. Couple of important things to note: 1) He acknowledges that DP and iamp are also scummy for their votes (which, according to his description of "classic scum play", is even more applicable to them than to me), and yet still decides that for some reason I come out looking scummier. 2) He keeps insisting I'm "starting a wagon to look good". I insist that that is illogical and dumb. When someone lands the first vote on someone, they don't know whether other people will vote or not. They don't know if they are "starting a wagon or not". So let's assume that what he means is "making the first vote" instead of "starting a wagon". Now, the main thing I got from his post is: making the first vote without a case. Let's assume that that argument has some validity, and that everyone who sheeps with no case is townier than the guy with the first vote. If that is true, than what about these other cases: First vote on DP: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hum I need something more controversial then. Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned! ##Vote DarthPunk First vote on marv: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:31 debears wrote: ##Vote Marvellosity I promised you Marv First vote on Hapahauli: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote: Time to fight ? ## Vote Hapahauli He had much better ways to start discussion if he wanted to pick a name basically at random. so i say he is probably full of shit. You could have done a random gambit where we could have had some discussion built around it. You didn't Now lets discuss. Since he didn't mention these, it's clear he has some sensitivity regarding the seriousness of certain votes. For some reason, he interpreted mine as being dead-serious-I-want-to-lynch-scum. Let me quote my vote on him for reference: On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote: Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote ##Vote strongandbig Debears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?". To him, this post is clearly me trying to start a wagon. I find this absurd. If I wanted to look good by starting a wagon, would I not bother to make a case that people would actually follow? Does he honestly think I expected three other people to vote SnB as well due to this post? He's basically saying that if three other people hadn't voted on him, then I'd be much less guilty. I can say this due to his ginourmous insistence that I'm, again, "trying to get town cred for starting a wagon" , which, to him, makes perfect sense. That implies that if I hadn't started a wagon (i,e wagon = more people voting for the same person as me), then he wouldn't have been using my first vote on SnB as an argument. One can argue: "But ZB! He said you tried, not that you did!" . That is very true. Except that by that logic, every first vote on someone is an "attempt to start a wagon", which is silly. Hope that makes sense as to why I find that his main reason for voting me is absurd, and uncharacteristic of someone with a decent townie play. 3) Clearly says that making the first vote on someone is scummier than sheeping a case, if both have no reasoning behind it. Because the guy with the first vote is "trying to look good", while the second guy is pretty swell. 4) Up until now I've assumed his premise that my vote came with no reasoning, which is quite untrue. Quoting myself in a later post: Scum just love implying they are town. .To which he conveniently dismisses that as "a crap explanation". That is, he acknowledges that there IS an explanation, but it's just so bad that it has to come from scum, defining my vote on him as "trying to start a weak wagon". 5) Also note that he said I unvoted SnB "as soon as it was hopeless". Except that I unvoted SnB because I changed my vote to BH. Concluding... I find his reaction to my case against him and his second bout further testaments to the fact that he is scum. So:
I cannot see this coming from townie play, especially regarding someone like BH, and will maintain my vote on him. I hope that by this post you can clearly see how he is - at the very least - playing this game very badly, and hope that you will agree with me that this guy is scum. | ||
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On November 14 2012 07:24 Blazinghand wrote:(...) It's not absurd, because you literally did start a wagon. You hopped your vote around until something stuck so you could look good. Exactly, thanks for confirming this. You are using the fact that the wagon actually started as an argument. It follows that if the wagon hadn't started, than I would look much townier. How in the world is an argument based on the actions of others valid?? I can only see this being close to valid in associative tells, which is not the case. See it's funny cause you DID unvote S&B quickly, but he was the vote you stuck to when a wagon formed. Iamp is scummy too. Yea, and I started pursuing you. You are casually dismissing it as an OMGUS for me to back away from SnB. You still somehow feel my vote on him wasn't a pressure vote, and that I actually wanted to lynch him. You are also treating him as an obvious townie, which is not at all fathomable. No, it had some valid, unfabricated, true arguments, not at all contrived as implied in "straight up OMGUS". Your goal has been to back down from your case. I see you saying "especially regarding someone like BH"-- if you think this is my scum meta, or if you think me being confident or aggressive if my scum meta, you are just an oyster with your head in the sand. Yea, that's a very nice explanation. I also did that with debears, you know. I felt that my vote on him was weak and not getting traction, so I set up a very extensive case on SnB - just like with you - just so I had an excuse to back off. ...How in the hell is that "classic scum"? That line of thought from scum is absurd. My god. Let me know if someone else finds this plausible in the slightest sense of the word. | ||
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Don't be arrogant enough to not realize how faulty the picture you are trying to paint on me is. Well, there is no choice but to unvote you, but try to remove your goggle vision and see that your arguments against me are absurdly weak. Gonna take a break and reevaluate. Fuck ##Unvote | ||
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Dammit BH, I really think you should have saved your claim until later, you gave up too easily :/ I wasn't as certain on you as it might have seemed, but I wanted to gauge your reaction by throwing you against the wall. Anyways, here's what I think of this game so far. marv is likely town. He's a difficult town read to give, but his posting here seems genuine, and is much different than in GSL. Either he's trying much harder as scum or he's town. For now I'll go with the latter. Clarity is likely town. Just look at him being all cute under a major dirt-flinging fest. I'm townie, and so must be BH right now, so if I know my XXX analysis straight, scum hate posting during these sort of fightsituations, and It's harder for me to see scum posting during all of that like he did. Kickstart is likely town. He seems very genuine with his thoughts, and his posts, to me, seem townie-oriented. iamp is likely town. If his entire 180 attention-drawing isn't enough, then his activeness during all of this also indicate to me he is town. This is how I feel right now regarding townsfolk. Originally I had SnB down as town, but I feel he is null right now to me, I dunno, have a hard time reading him. Would (maybe?) give a town read on him? Thrawn is null to me. I can't see him being this quiet either as townie or as scum. He really really has to explain himself or be replaced thoug... Crossfire is afk. Now towards the scummers Hapauli. Much quieter this game. Much less present. Disappeared during all of my interaction with BH, only to appear after the claim. I don't buy his cases, especially the one on iamp. Completely ignored my first case on BH, and town Hapa usually comments on everything. In the beginning, put on some light pressure on DP, then unvoted him from some easy explanation only to never mention him again. Not a play I'd see hapa do. debears. Began the game with excessive posting, made a poor sheepy follow-up on iamp. Disappeared and has drastically reduced his posting. Seems pretty damn scummy. DarthPunk Doesn't have much to work with, is likely working on the other game. I find it weird how little attention he's getting from some of the scummier folk. A bad tell, but he's here mostly by elimination. Hopeless1der Not sure of his play yet. It's comparable to that of LVII, but I can see him as scum. Dunno. These are just my thoughts, mainly to get discussion going and for BH to see what he thinks (there's still a chance he's scum, but I'm assuming he is town for now). I haven't decided who I want to lynch yet, these are just my thoughts from my current level of reading. Tomorrow I'll be back probably with more powerful cases. | ||
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No comment on BH I find this point, mentioned before, to be quite good. He not only didn't mention BH's claim, but he attacked someone for not mentioning it. It sounds very contrived and doesn't seem to have strong town motivation at all. Meta What seals the deal for me is his meta from the last game I played with him, LVII. From the start, his game has been very different. Observe one of his entrance posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=21#402 Note that he is aggressive and makes a case right off the bat against forumite. BAM. Vote. Doesn't give a shit. Is assertive, aggressive. What of this game? Look at his only post that comes close to being significant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#438 Makes a big post, doesn't conclude shit. Seems just like the ordinary "look at me scumhunting". In this game he shows a weaker, less assertive version of him in LVII. He has a bunch of posts going after debears, and he's not going anywhere with it.. He only votes debears when debears is already a viable candidate, has two votes on him. Here is his voting post: On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debears Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? Basically votes on debears for not pushing his top scum read. Doesn't add any of the the other arguments he used here. That does not sound like anyone who's scum hunting. He says his vote is OMGUS, and states ONE reason for pursuing debears. He spends a long time focusing on debears but never actually voting. This, of course, much unlike his own play in LVII. Look at how he treats his cases in LVII, and how greatly it contrasts with his play this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=51#1015 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=51#1013 He's using every single argument he had already made, and is being a LOT more insistent and convincing than that. I'm not the best judge of meta, but that is in too great a contrast with his play on this game, in my opinion. Why not debears? I've done some thinking on this and I'm not sure he's scum. Hapa's main argument of not pushing his scumreads are decent, but I've mislynched people on that count before. Judging by his play, and comparing that to his last game as scum, I don't see it being too similar. When he was scum, his posts were much longer. In day one, he spent a lot of time writing out big cases and looked much townier (lol, weird, but true). I can see him sheeping on iamp with that kind of mentality, based on such a weak argument. I think scum debears would rather make his own case on someone and be happy with it. Why not DarthPunk? He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though. Conclusion I find hopeless' contrast in meta much worse in this game. He's being useless and much less present than in LVII. Read his filter there, read it here, and see if you come to the same conclusion I did. He doesn't look like he's trying to get debears lynched. Especially how much effort he put on in LVII. ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On November 15 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote: i hate this. what's your read on him and why? He can definitely be scum. The reasoning is above. I'd rather lynch Hopeless. Perhaps instead of "Why not DP?" just read "DP" and interpret that as a secondary assessment. I'd rather lynch Hopeless though, my post says it all. I find it interesting how you hated my bit on DP, instead of my bit on debears, your main lynch candidate. Is there anything else you want to add while you are at it? Do you agree with what I said? | ||
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On November 15 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote: I'm finding you kinda scummy all of a sudden actually. "He can definitely be scum" is not a read, by the way. Anyone can definitely be scum. Isn't it fucking obvious that I mean that to me he has a good chance of being scum, especially given what I've written on him? 10x better than your "I'm finding you kinda scummy" which adds shit to the thread. If Hopeless is a 10, DP is a 7, go with that. Try answering the question now? I phrased it very clearly and I find it important enough that I insist. Anyways, Hopeless´s meta explanation makes sense, and that was my main issue with him. Right now I´d rather lynch DarthPunk. Gonna let marv finish to see if he will/will not change my mind. ##Unvote | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:47 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth this is like the scummiest thing ZB has done this game It's cause you don't know the context. My main problem as town is that people think I'm scum every. single. time. Every past game I've played on, I've been receiving shit based on misinterpretations, things I've said that were confusing, and mismatched other things I have said. I got VERY frustrated because I was playing mafia and I spent like 70% trying to not get lynched instead of scumhunting. So I've decided to change my playing style a bit, so the general populace stops twisting my unclear words. Hapa pretty much nailed it, as it was a topic I've discussed with him quite a lot: On November 15 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote: Uhhh Z-Boson huh? That's interesting. He kinda peaced out of the thread after dropping his Hopeless case. Off the top of my head he is usually a bit more active in his town games and was a tad lurky in his scum game (can't draw conclusions from that though). I generally think his posts have been fewer in number but higher in quality. I'm inclined to think it's a stylistic change and not scummy given some of my previous conversations with him. And now I've been trying hard to read more, post less, but with more clarity and quality. And that apparently led marv to have a meta read on me, for "tone", despite me trying pretty hard to get shit right. That pretty much explains my QQ - no matter how hard I try, I'm found as scum every single fucking bitchass time, and this time even marv found it so. /rant Anyways, bring it on marv you slut. | ||
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