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If we're gonna lynch a lurker, I'd rather it be early game than late, at least. But I think that we have more... dedication among the townies this game. There wasn't a long wait for the last few signups - everyone here seems pretty pumped to play some mafia seriously. I don't think lurker policy lynch will come up at all. I kinda expected a bit more... substance in the thread by now. A lot of people are dicking around... lots of oneliners, debears and cheesecake geez you're firing off the oneliners like crazy, you've already got 4 and 3 page filters respectively (75% of it post-gamestart) You've got tons of posts within 1 minute of each other, and often at least one of them has no content. I mean, posting a lot is great, but you're posting a lot of nothing. You're also posting shit with content, but can you PLEASE make your posts a little more substantial so it isn't impossible to read your filter? Would be really helpful. I like Rad's suspicion about people labeling CC being funny as a towntell. Shit, last game people were calling "only posts towntells" as scummy (including on people who turned out to be townie when lynched/NK'd) Cheesecake is also filling this thread with fluff a lot too. I don't kno wwhat to think about Alsn or debears. Could be one of the two is scum, need to see more from them on this topic. Don't like debears fluff. da0ud, please post. Don't pull what you did last game and vacation your life away. (If you're on vacation again, I'm going to be mildly annoyed you even chose to /in) Obviously, morning over there now. You've got time. ##Vote debears Your fluff, and your reaction against Alsn seem odd to me. Also, your claim of always being perfect about on at lynchtime. Now we can't even use it (in the future) as a scumtell on you because it'd turn into WIFOM. + Show Spoiler [off-topic complaint] + TL went down for several minutes as I'm typing this. Frustrating, can't finish the post because I want to check more filters! | ||
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On November 03 2012 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler + *Sigh* Of course I'm focused on defending myself. I started to post some stuff you on Debears in regards to Alsn posting about you, but then Djo proceeds to tunnel me. Here's the obligitory OMGUS case on Djo. I learned a lot of stuff from Nack last game, despite him being an arrogant SOB. On November 03 2012 13:51 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Regarding your pokemon joke explanation, I didn't like how you focused on the content instead of precising what were your motivations for this joke at that time. It would be acceptable if you just told me that it was genuine or an attempt to frame me (it occurred during last game after all). Nevertheless, I would agree that we should drop this discussion. But you are still on my radar. I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. On November 03 2012 12:06 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I was re-reading the thread and I really didn't like this "it's a scumtell" joke. I'm not against jokes but scumtells are quite serious business. I've got my eyes on you. Again, another exact mistake I made last game. Feeling the need to tell people that you have been reading the thread. For the second part, he's assuring that we realize that he knows this game is important to him. As town, he wouldn't feel the need to tell us that the game is important. Then there is the entire "joke" case he makes, which is, no matter how you slice it, a terrible argument. He summons it up from nowhere and makes a huge deal about it. I want to drop the conversation because it's irrelevant and cluttering the thread. He insists that there is something there, but I reiterate, there is not. On November 03 2012 13:53 Djodref wrote: @ debears You really made me chuckle with this one ^^ Need I even mention how utterly hypocritical this post is? ##FOS: Djodref First thing I take issue with: I made this exact mistake last game as scum, "Djo is not off the hook" thing. He wants to ensure that his suspicions for me are known. As town, he would not have to make this statement because he would have faith that we already know that. Why does scum need to reiterate but town has faith that people are listening, especially early day 1.? I don't see anything different about the two factions concerning "whether people are listening to what they have to say" Given good players I'd expect people are listening to what you have to say, regardless of what your faction is. Null Tell. Rad Wrote: AHH, TELEPATHY.About sylver, considering his posts in the last newbie, he had a few posts around this time but his main posting time was not now. So, though we might see him jump in soon, I would not expect much as he goes to bed around this time. | ||
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Addendum: Furthermore, reiterating a point keeps pressure on, and makes it clear that you have not changed your mind. This is most applicable after they have either posted in response, or time has passed. This is a perfectly town-safe weapon to be using. Still not a scum tell. | ||
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I'm casting suspicion with my vote. I find it far more effective than FOS, which can be more difficult to keep track of. Votes, the mod will keep track of for us. I understand he's the most active person. If that was 3 pages of posts with useful content, I'd have no issue. It's like 2 pages of fluff and 1 page of content, and the 1 page of content could be condensed if he didn't jam the "post" button after finishing a sentence, when he fully intends to immediately write another one. @Rad - you were friggin brilliant D2/N2 last game. It's a shame you used your only bullet N1.  | ||
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On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question I'm trying to bring in a playstyle more comfortable to me. (random/semi-random)Voting early as a way to cast suspicion is not a strange way to play. Look at other games, other players use it a lot too. It's not a scum slip to use a vote rather than an FOS to indicate, it's a playstyle choice and I'm trying to use a different playstyle. Now, if I sat on this vote all the way up til near lynch time, that could be construed as a scum slip (active lurking). And CC/Debears high fluff content is the only thing I found bad for town last night. If all my vote does is stop the massive fluff... that's fine. Shit, debears is using a pressure vote too. I disagree (significantly) that this setup is mafia favored. With only 2 mafia, it allows for few mistakes on part of mafia. @Debears OMGUS, much? I vote you, ask that you post less fluff because fluff accomplishes nothing for the town but fills the thread with useless information. It's a pressure vote, and a request. I had NOT obviously been following this thread, debears. How can you know what I was doing IRL? I show up, and I read the ENTIRE thread thoroughly. I spent an hour making that post. Shit, rad even pointed out that I don't normally get online until around midnight EDT. It was a friday friggin night and you expect me to be glued to the computer from gamestart to midnight? It was 3am when I went to bed. And finally, on your final point: I'm not saying townies will be more dedicated this game. I'm saying PLAYERS will be more dedicated this game. Why? The game filled up instantly and we don't have anyone from last game who lurked like crazy except for da0ud (who was on vacation, and is presumably more available now. I hope.) We have no Roco69 players this game, even da0ud has posted some content now. I don't think we'll have a day 1 lynch with anything less than 9 votes cast. Your scumslip is grasping at straws and making up scum tells is really bad for town. Leaving my vote on you. I'm not asking you to post less content. You're posting content. Your filter has content. I'm asking you to take a few more minutes to assemble your posts, so that you aren't using seven oneliners within 15 minutes of each other, making your filter hard to read. Lay off the fluff. It'll help everyone more. The You v Alsn exchange didn't bring up much at all, either. But the pressure is good. On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question Oh, I'm sorry. Town should never vote for innocent players or cast suspicion on people - never mind that they don't know who is innocent. Do you know that debears is innocent? | ||
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Remember that I spent last game mostly obsing, and it was depressing watching town lose because of inactivity when 2 out of 3 scum had blatantly labelled scum. I said what I said because I don't WANT that to happen this game. And I don't think any of these 9 players will do that. Just because "oh, I'm the most active" doesn't mean you're the only one contributing. I am expecting a better game this time, and predicting that we aren't going to need to enact a policy lynch on lurking, or have town suffer from excessive lurking. Why are you trying to read more into what I said anyway? Maybe I said townies because I am scum. Maybe I said townies because I'm town. You can't read into it - it's just a dumb WIFOM loop. Or maybe, I'm just talking about the whole friggin game and you're reading WAY TOO MUCH into arbitrary word choice. (technically, even scum are "part of the town" when it comes to posting voting and lynching) I reiterate: Your vote is both OMGUS and backed up by arbitrary "scum tells". Also it's interesting that you're defending your own "make them post with pressure" while OMGUS voting me. You know your OMGUS vote is doing here? Nothing. It's just keeping my pressure on you, because they remove any reason. (Press F5 to check thread again) I liked "Confidence" a whole hell of a lot better than "Useless." Useless reeks of hostility. | ||
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On November 04 2012 01:56 debears wrote: Last game literally has nothing to do with voting me for "fluff" when I do have content. You weren't active. You hadn't posted anything. That's no content up to the point you vote for me in my view. The "townies showing dedication" comment is not WIFOM at all. WIFOM is whether a scum would make a certain action (nks for example) The townies comment is about you contradicting what you said You either thought or know that the actives are townies, based on your word choice. You vote one of the actives Yeah I have my vote on you because I find your inital post pretty scummy. I'm keeping my vote on you because I want to pressure you back. OMGUS? Sure. Warranted if I find you scummy? Hell yes. And about useless. It reeks of "hostility". Does it reek of scumminess? If not, your just trying to cast suspicion on me for bullshit reasons I come to thread. I see it has exploded by like 10 pages. Then when I more closely examine those 10 pages, I see a lot of fluff. I was disappointed, and I expressed as much. I was calling out the actives for posting a lot of garbage. It isn't condusive to scumhunting to post "LOL" as the entire content of a post. It fills up filters and threads with emptyness. Hostility breeds a bad environment for town be free to speak their minds, a bad environment for scumhunting. I'm not saying you're scum by saying you're hostile, but I'm saying hostility isn't going to help town. Case in point: Nack was being pretty hostile. In the end, he had the right reads, but had a very hard time convincing people of them because he was so hostile. Bad for town. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's bolded. Sylver never said anything about the FoS on Alsn from Debears, but you seem to think he did. Yes, I did. I couldn't get any reads out of it, but I mentioned it. In my first post: I don't kno wwhat to think about Alsn or debears. Could be one of the two is scum, need to see more from them on this topic. Don't like debears fluff. You, on my posting times Closest thing to around 14:00 was at 13:30 and that was only once the entire game. Very odd timing from him TL Went down. Delayed me writing up my intro post. Also, it's friday, so I stay up later because I don't have work the following morning. And I was out friday evening. (For reference, I am EDT.) Also, I was DEAD by D2. You have no sample size. Seriously, wild conspiracy theory gets us nowhere. It's scummy to post arguments that have no merit. I'm still attacking you because you continue to flail around with no useful reasons. But these are particularly useless: Go get laid for me brotha! Nice. Townie points for you lol Ninjad Nvm on the peace out But it's more on the number of one-liners you post. Like, your entire fucking filter. You constantly post multiple times within 5 minutes of each other. It's just unnecessary. The biggest red flag to me was: On November 03 2012 11:39 debears wrote: Btw to all obs I will attempt to reach the fabled 30 pg filter If your 30 page filter looks like this, debears, how the is anyone supposed to process it as information? You write twenty sentences per page of filter. That's what I'm complaining about. You can put more than one sentence into a post. Please do, for the sake of the town. Alright, enough about the fluff. I simply have asked a favor. As for the continued Vote on debears: At this point, I'm more concerned about you making up conspiracy theories about me. You OMGUS voted me (not surprising) but you're standing by it for really weird reasons. I'm not the only one calling them weird. Making up weird reasons about me is not getting us anywhere. I am finding it 1% more scummy with each straw you grasp at. Maybe you're overreacting because you're a scum in a bind? I find it strange, and suspicious. | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:06 Djodref wrote: Well, I have voted for sylver before you for a different scumslip so I definitively agree  Anyway they are good points, the scumslip you have found is better than mine, his vote on you is quite unfounded and he has also totally forgot to mention me jumping on Cheese in his post. I think the chances for him to be scum are great. I feel like the you vs cheese argument went pretty bland. You were like "hey look he was being funny in the QT" (which I hadn't read. And I don't really feel like going through it, it's a monster.) And then it didn't amount to much of anything. | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:03 debears wrote: @Sylver Do you consider me a good lynch candidate based on activity? and I have put more than one sentence in a post. My most important posts have more than 1. Those are the key We're picking out lynch candidates already? Weren't you the one who said we should vote our big scumtells first? I'm not ready to call you a lynch candidate. It's nowhere near lynch time, we still have more than 24 hours. We still haven't seen a lot from some players. | ||
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On November 03 2012 20:22 Djodref wrote: @ sylverfyre So let me sum up the situation. You join the thread and directly vote for debears mainly because there is a lot of fluff in it. Then you say that you are voting him to "cast suspicion with your vote". I'm sorry but I'm voting somebody when I find them suspicious, not to cast suspicion on him. Do you know who is voting innocent players to cast suspicion on them ? Mafia. (Not sure if debears is innocent in this case, I have seen things I don't really like in his filter) I'm taking this for a scumslip and the most suspicious thing I have seen in this thread so far. ##Vote sylverfire @ Clarity It answers your question Casting suspicion with your vote early D1 is standard play. Ask your coach about it if you don't believe me. On November 04 2012 02:19 Alsn wrote: Seriously debears, you're being extremely stubborn. At this point I'm leaning that you're either very strongly town where the only reasoning for your actions would be that you feel scum is bullying you into stopping. Or you're scum and are being afraid that if you change your mind people will find you scummy. At this point I'd like it if you focused your attention somewhere else than towards explaining yourself so that I can make an informed decision on which is more likely. That's a good point. I'm going to lay off on tunneling debears. It's wasting a lot of time, and I feel like I'm missing the forest for the trees at this point (to the point of making a mistake about Djo voting me before debears. ##Unvote | ||
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Voting for suspicion rather than FOS (especially day 1) is one of many "standard plays" - it's not the only way to play. | ||
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On November 04 2012 03:30 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese The word "townies" doesn't connote as "players". Kush helped me to understand this in my very first game on these forums. People don't use townies when they can use players. The meaning is different. It is a slip, so now we have to decided if it is a scumslip or not. The way sylver reacted to it makes me thing that it is a scumslip indeed. I was trying to say that inactivity wouldn't be a problem. On the part of the entire town. I was looking at the player list, and the speed at which people signed up for the game, and making that judgement. I guess it could be construed as a slip to say townies. But if the entire player base is active, then the town doesn't need to worry about lurker policy, do they? I said townies, because Inactivity isn't a problem for scum. They won last game because of it. Inactivity is a problem for town, town is the only faction that needs to worry about it. I don't think it will be a problem this game - I'm forecasting we aren't going to have any massive lurk problems (like Roco). Maybe it was a slip, but I think it reflects exactly what I was thinking at the time. (Inactivity = problem for townies. Low inactivity = good for townies) | ||
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It's worth noting, you're actually doing what I'm asking of you right now, even as you're calling me out for being frustrated at you for it. Thanks, I guess? | ||
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