EPT"Since ESL isnt paying any pricemoney i will quit EPS."
On October 31 2012 05:01 aTnClouD wrote:
We are in the 6th season I believe, and still waiting for the money from the 2nd season, which started in january 2011. I think he has a valid point.
We are in the 6th season I believe, and still waiting for the money from the 2nd season, which started in january 2011. I think he has a valid point.
On October 31 2012 05:14 Satiinifi wrote:
waiting for eps nordic since 2 years ago, was waiting for esl enc since 3 years ago, got it month ago !!!!! :D
waiting for eps nordic since 2 years ago, was waiting for esl enc since 3 years ago, got it month ago !!!!! :D
On October 31 2012 05:50 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Its true. The only EPS Season that has been paid out was the one that ended november or december 2010. I think the first 2011 season will be paid out soonish. As long as ESL doesnt go broke, im quite sure that they will pay out the prizemoney eventually... but yes, we have to wait for very long (18 months right now).
IEM on the other hand is better. I have already gotten my prizemoney for IEM Sao Paulo like 2 or 3 months ago (the event was early february 2012) and i think i should get the prizemoney from IEM hannover (that was early march 2012) soon.
Its true. The only EPS Season that has been paid out was the one that ended november or december 2010. I think the first 2011 season will be paid out soonish. As long as ESL doesnt go broke, im quite sure that they will pay out the prizemoney eventually... but yes, we have to wait for very long (18 months right now).
IEM on the other hand is better. I have already gotten my prizemoney for IEM Sao Paulo like 2 or 3 months ago (the event was early february 2012) and i think i should get the prizemoney from IEM hannover (that was early march 2012) soon.
On October 31 2012 07:49 DeMusliM wrote:
ESL are pretty infamous for paying out very late. I've dealt with ESL both in there national leagues such as EPS Germany, and there international tournaments like IEM. And on both types of tournaments they pay out extremely late, and you have to pester them until they pay you.
ESL are pretty infamous for paying out very late. I've dealt with ESL both in there national leagues such as EPS Germany, and there international tournaments like IEM. And on both types of tournaments they pay out extremely late, and you have to pester them until they pay you.
Statement of Bastian Veiser [ Product Manager ESL Pro Series ]
On October 31 2012 23:34 myswe wrote:
To have no delay in prize money has been our most important priority for a long time.
The ESL has paid out close to $11,500,000 since it started. We paid out $1,194,727 prize money this year, including current as well as outstanding prize money.
ESL does not operate on investment money, therefore the prize money gap cannot be closed instantly. While there are complaints, and for a few months there may still be some, we have reduced outstanding prize money by 50% in the last five months.
We plan to pay out another big chunk in the coming weeks (including most of what GoOdy was referring to).
I am very sorry for the inconvenience caused to the players. It’s the personal priority of mine to make sure the ESL Pro Series is on schedule with the prize money. This is what we are all working towards.
Best regards,
Bastian Veiser [ Product Manager ESL Pro Series ]
To have no delay in prize money has been our most important priority for a long time.
The ESL has paid out close to $11,500,000 since it started. We paid out $1,194,727 prize money this year, including current as well as outstanding prize money.
ESL does not operate on investment money, therefore the prize money gap cannot be closed instantly. While there are complaints, and for a few months there may still be some, we have reduced outstanding prize money by 50% in the last five months.
We plan to pay out another big chunk in the coming weeks (including most of what GoOdy was referring to).
I am very sorry for the inconvenience caused to the players. It’s the personal priority of mine to make sure the ESL Pro Series is on schedule with the prize money. This is what we are all working towards.
Best regards,
Bastian Veiser [ Product Manager ESL Pro Series ]
On November 01 2012 02:01 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Got an Email today that we will get the prizemoney for the first season in 2011 in the next days. I guess we should complain publicly more often :D
Got an Email today that we will get the prizemoney for the first season in 2011 in the next days. I guess we should complain publicly more often :D
On November 01 2012 06:27 IdrA wrote:
should support an organization thats notoriously bad?
i play their events out of appreciation for intel, but they are terrible. player treatment is a very, very low priority for them. convention based events are always awful. they're famous for being bad about paying prize money, they usually do pay you eventually if you hassle them enough but you're lucky if you get it within 6 months most of the time.
and its not even like theyre pushing the envelope in terms of production quality or... anything. mlg and dreamhack clearly outclass them in terms of that. they just arent an organization that deserves much of anything from the community.
should support an organization thats notoriously bad?
i play their events out of appreciation for intel, but they are terrible. player treatment is a very, very low priority for them. convention based events are always awful. they're famous for being bad about paying prize money, they usually do pay you eventually if you hassle them enough but you're lucky if you get it within 6 months most of the time.
and its not even like theyre pushing the envelope in terms of production quality or... anything. mlg and dreamhack clearly outclass them in terms of that. they just arent an organization that deserves much of anything from the community.
ESL statement from almost a year ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282262
The average prize money delay differs between individual tournaments, but it's not as bad as it's made out to be. Obviously it should not happen. People at ESL are aware of it and are working to make sure everything gets paid and that the delay in prize money goes away.
One year has passed, the problem stayed the same. ESL assured the community that they are aware of the problem and that they take it very seriously. So why is it still the same issue?
Goody is the first one that actually draws his conclusions and quits EPS. Is that the right answer?
What is the future of ESL? Can they get away with being behind 1.5 - 2 years and is that acceptable as a permanent state of paying out prize money? since the issue is for sure not temporary anymore.
Im not sure what to do. Can you just hope that it will get better eventually? accept that its the way ESL operates? or quitting esl and moving on like GoOdy does?
, at least they always do. If u play in their leagues and tournies you have to plan ahead. And im sure goody knows that...
