EPTI will not be modkilled.
EDIT: I like blazinghand's dementorish personification of modkills. Quite apt.
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I will not be modkilled. EDIT: I like blazinghand's dementorish personification of modkills. Quite apt. | ||
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Seems like some people are writing him off as a newbie though, which I think is dangerous. He's mentioned that he's played elsewhere so he could be quite experienced. Like I said though, if he likes to play rash and talk a lot and he's scum, eventually he'll have to start contradicting himself so just keep close tabs on what he says. As far as the mislynch policy: Seems like just a policy. Good to know that he believes this so we can hold him to this belief later on in the game. @VE, In one sentence you claim that: Town's aim needs to be lengthening the game, not shortening it. That's why we aim for scum every single lynch, because every scum lynch increases the number of days the game lasts. Yet you follow it up with this: Also I'm going to suggest we policy-lynch Katina if she doesn't prove her worth to town by providing us with some sort of content to be held accountable for if we are unable to find a suitable scummy candidate. Care to explain? Is Katina really that unhelpful as town? @MrZentor: Your first post today is what I would call extremely 'safe'. While I don't expect the same self-voting Zentor as last time, I do expect someone who can get reactions out of people in order to help town. Please don't sacrifice that. | ||
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@Hyaach, Shraft, furer: I've never even seen your names around here. What are all your experiences like with forum mafia and do you have links to some of your games? I agree that MrZentor and ghost are playing what I'd deem cautious. I'd really like to hear more from MrZentor though, as he seemed cautious even before the game started (asking wbg if he could be in the game, etc.) Also, I do know that blazinghand has a fairly good reputation around here and while he had a lot of good advice for furer day 1, he neglected to inform any of us his opinion on whether furer was acting from a mafia or town point of view. @blazinghand: How about putting some solid opinions down in the thread, or are you scum? | ||
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I expect more out of blazinghand than out of ghost. I'll go back and read some of ghost's other games later this afternoon, but for now: ##Vote blazinghand | ||
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blazing's case on MrZentor is weak and contains what is certainly an appeal to our emotions: MrZ quotes it like it's some sort of evidence then says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis, but don't be tricked! It's not! Seriously? Says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis? I agree that it's a null tell for someone to claim to make a case, then not follow through with it. Town and scum both do that for different reasons. But I don't believe that MrZentor seriously thought that "I can't wait" was a good case, nor do I see how you could think that either. Also, as others have pointed out, there was a clear difference between MrZentor claiming not to know blazing's alignment, and ghost's claiming to believe VE's claim but also not trust his reads of VE. RE: Ghost: I had a look through his filter and I'm not impressed. The one good post he's had was an analysis of blazing's behaviour. Unfortunately, he followed it up later with a pretty lame interpretation of blazing's case on MrZentor: The way I see it, one of the hallmarks of his style is not abuse, but aggression. I'm not comfortable with how, early on, he didn't really accuse anyone of anything, instead squandering his posts on game mechanics instead of scum hunting. That being said, I do like his recent aggression towards MrZentor, who I think is scummy. At the moment, I'd be happier lynching MrZentor today over blazinghand. His posting is empty. I don't think blazing's case on MrZentor was aggressive at all. Several people had already expressed their suspicions of MrZentor and I'd say he was a pretty easy target to go after. RE: Navillus: He both says a lot without saying a lot (i.e. I get the impression that he is summarizing facts) and he focuses on calling out inactives. Both this post and his more recent post seem much too wordy for the points they are attempting to get across. Also, he both claims that pressure voting is ineffective when the person knows it's just a pressure vote AND he leaves his vote on hyaa as a pressure vote. Care to explain this contradiction? | ||
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I would like the people who I just addressed to comment on what I said as that's helping me hunt scum. Talking to players of a role which may or may not exist is not helping me find scum. | ||
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On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote: Oooooo, I like his style. It reminds me of something, but what? I don't think I've actually laughed out loud while reading a mafia game until now  . Props to you, sir. | ||
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First off, if anyone reads Pandain's history, they can quickly verify that he does indeed often fake claim as town. Have a look at Mr Wiggles Mini 2 where day 2 he claims watcher/tracker and ends up providing town with a very solid town read based on the reactions of AKCT. This part of the case on him is a null read. Second, the wagon grew extremely fast. VE, you have to agree with this, and I take it that's why you think that he's more likely SK than mafia. The thing is though, we don't even know if there's an SK in this game and the way this lynch is going, we're setting up to basically do scum's work for them by eliminating a blue role. Let's let mafia deal with him, and as the game goes on, if they haven't, he's going to be under a ton of scrutiny. Much like your miller claim, this essentially puts Pandain under the microscope and if there are any weird night kills he's going to be questioned on it. He knows this. Why would he willingly do this as scum? I think we should let Pandain play this one out for awhile because I think we can get a better read on him once we know if there's an SK or not. Third, blazinghand's reaction to Pandain's claim was very towny. I think that THAT is the aggressive blazing that we were actually looking for and I don't think that he's the best scum candidate we have any longer (read on for who that is). ##Unvote blazinghand Finally, I think everyone should have a good clear look at the people who have jumped on the Pandain train and what their reasoning really is. Specifically, I believe Hyaach is scum: On June 06 2012 22:45 Hyaach wrote: Late to the party but did no one thought that Pand was fishing for information when he asked Masons to claim? He could very likely be a SK as well but either way his scum. This looks very much like scum trying to justify a reason for hopping on a bus. Pandain wasn't "fishing" for information when he asked masons to claim, he was straight up asking masons to claim. Also, saying he could very likely be an SK as well seems to be searching for an excuse for Pandain not to be scum. Hyaach seems to know whether Pandain is scum or town and is making up reasons to either bandwagon or bus him. His voting seems very forced and I can only justify it from a scum perspective. ##Vote Hyaach Now, that being said, I believe that no lynches more often than not favour scum and I know it's late to bring up a new target, so if noone else sees what I do here, I'd be willing to switch to an alternative to ensure we get information from our day 1 lynch. | ||
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Look at what he's done: a) He hasn't contributed to any scumhunting. He hasn't asked questions and he hasn't used his vote to pressure people. b) His vote on Pandain seemed very forced, as Navillus and I have both mentioned. c) He blames his lack of content on the time zone difference. There were a ton of things he could have talked about when he was online. Not being online at the same time as others is not an excuse for not commenting on things that have happened in the game. Now there are still over 48 hours for things to happen in the thread, but if I had to decide a lynch at this exact moment, it'd be Hyaach. As far as zelblade goes, I think the questions he's asking are leading questions and are effective at putting pressure on his targets. He's not just asking people questions that are easy to answer, he seems to be implying a certain answer and this is very similar to my own method of scumhunting. I'd much prefer to lynch Hyaach. | ||
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On June 07 2012 20:11 Hyaach wrote: I was looking for players number too and it doesnt say anywhere how many mafia there is. Nor how KP is decided. So how did Furekip came to the conclusion of 4 ? We could WIFOM away about why he might have said there are 4 scum (I can think of both town and mafia motivations, whether that number is right or not), or you could try and find someone doing scummy things. For instance, VE just called out a BH/zelblade possible scum team. Can you read through the thread and give us your opinion on those two players? | ||
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In every game I've played/read here on TL, the simplest explanation has been the correct one 99% of the time. How about we start by lynching the most scummy people rather than trying to WIFOM about whether blazinghand would try and shoot his own teammates. @blazinghand: I agree that furer is looking like a very good lynch target for today. I agree completely that if he is town, he's perfect for scum to keep alive. I know I don't want him around at LYLO. That being said, I think it'd still be in our best interest to discuss other players as well in the case that furer has just straight up forgotten about this game and doesn't show up for the next day and a half. Let's not waste that time. Which brings me to this: I really feel like people are giving Hyaach too much leeway here and am filling a ton of resistance to his lynch. The guy has been more active than furer and has provided less content. We have nothing in the thread to read him by. It seems as though he's just barely trying to skirt our radars while saying as little as possible. He needs to be lynched. ##Vote Hyaach @VE: I apologize, I have not had a chance to look over Katina's filter since you requested that of me this morning. I will do that as soon as I get home tonight, it's been a very long day at work trying to get caught up for next week. | ||
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- Noticed the same thing I did about blazinghand's 'off' play. Now that I think about this more, it lines up with his vig claim - being a well known player, it makes sense to try and survive until he could get his shot off. - Puts thoughts down in the thread in a clear, concise manner. Offers thoughts on multiple players without needing to be urged to do so. - Isn't afraid to push the stronger players when they're not under pressure (blazinghand, VE) I don't agree with everything Katina's saying, especially since the case on VE essentially boils down to "VE is being VE so he's scum". But I don't see anything particularly scummy in her posting and I do see some things which I don't think scum would be doing (i.e. pushing VE and blazinghand). | ||
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Sticking with my plan of not wasting an entire day cycle, assuming furer doesn't even come back, I'd like to hear some opinions on ghost_403. Specifically from Artanis, zelblade and Hyaach. What are your guys' stances on him? Hyaach, I'm still waiting for some of your other thoughts, if you wouldn't mind adding this to the list. Please note though that I am not suggesting ghost as a lynch candidate for today. The last thing I want to do is provide too many candidates for scum to choose from on where to put their vote and kill our vote analysis. | ||
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Imagine that you think that this guy is scum and he just took a gamble that there were no town vig's and now you have him red handed. Your first reaction is to say, "Ah ha! I've got you!" But immediately after you say that you think to yourself: I don't want to just up and counterclaim because of the reasons already stated: What if there's a roleblocker and you're just going to die? You'd basically have to rely on a medic who you don't even know exists to save you if you claim and you've probably just traded a blue role for a goon. Why would you do that when you can just convince everyone else to lynch the hell out of this guy and you still get to save your shot? | ||
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On June 09 2012 07:10 Blazinghand wrote: "Oh Blazinghand what's with this point" At this point, I still thought MrZ was scum. I figured we could just lynch him, and I'd shoot Pandain, with my bullet, overnight. I knew Pandain was scum because he couldn't also be a vigi. When a vigi fake-claims, as a real vigi it's pretty standard to just shoot him to prove you're the real vigi, this was my initial plan until I got some support for the Pandain lynch. Like, you're all wondering why I stepped a bit lightly around Pandain. The reason is: you'd do the same if you're a vigi confronting a fake-vigi-claiming scum. So, VE, you're saying that you don't think that this logic makes sense? And you don't think that the fact that he was "AVOIDING DOING SCUMMY THINGS" could be attributed to a vigilante trying to survive until the night? | ||
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either) If mafia, thinks he can argue his way out of there being only a single night kill or) If SK, thinks he can go the rest of the game without shooting someone else or being a likely target by mafia because otherwise he'd be under a ton of suspicion I really don't see either of these being legit, mainly because I know that I myself would have been all over his ass if either of them occured. In order to believe that Hyaach would fake-claim JK as either mafia or SK, we have to believe that he: As either mafia or SK is worried that he's about to be lynched and wants to buy himself at least one more day to argue out of the situation. I'm going to take a gamble here on the fact that our town is good enough to lynch the shit out of blazinghand for dumb vigilante claims should they end up not matching up with our expectations of the game. I believe blazinghand thinks this too and wouldn't try to pull off something this risky. | ||
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On June 10 2012 06:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've got a scumread on someone that makes me feel BH should be mafia (don't ask me to expand on it, I'm planning on posting it on the last night hour) Playing by connections before anyone has flipped scum has only ever ended poorly in my TL mafia experience. It's all WIFOM and until we see some red on the board, I'd highly recommend against it. | ||
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