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On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote: I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him. Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch. I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip. My schedule is to make one post a day and this is it GG. Kiddding!!!!! Okay, I'm going to point a FOS at mr Blazinghand. His play so far has not been normal for him. He is usually very aggressive day one when he's town and so far he has been fitting in and not drawing a lot of attention to himself. As for VE, he is also on my list of suspects. He comes in and claims Miller right off the bat and causes the whole thread to focus on that instead of looking for the rest of the Mafia. He also came at me with the defense that I am a strong player later in the game so lynch me now? Most interesting. It's stupid to want to policy lynch me, it's pushing a Mafia agenda. Could you ever imagine a town trying to push for a policy lynch? But for now my vote is going to Blazinghand. He is trying to play too "normally" ##Vote Blazinghand | ||
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On June 06 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay, that's fair I think. I haven't read the analysis in question or anything, but if what you're saying is true then I'm down with a ghost lynch. ##Vote: ghost_403 I think I should point out however that he could just be lazy townie in this instance, but based on what we've pointed out here I think he's got a good enough chance of flipping scum to lynch. Who else is down with a ghost lynch? PEdit: Welcome Katina! I'm not scum, don't be silly! Could you expand on why playing "normally" is a scumtell please? Hello, VE! If only I could take your word for that, dear. Anyone who has played with Blazinghand knows how he is. He posts pictures, calls people retarded and isn't afraid to go after anyone and everyone. Look at just about any of his games and you will see this. This game he has been under the radar and I don't feel like going into a corner and crying because of his lovely posts. That is what I mean by "normally" for Blazinghand On May 03 2012 09:50 Blazinghand wrote: No explanation? Really? Suck on a vote. You can't just vote someone without any reasoning whatsoever. Scum is not allowed to hide in my shadow. I will illuminate you and force you into the brightness of day. Scum. ##unvote ##vote: grush57 This was a post from Mafia LIV where he was a blue role. He is not afraid to tell people to Suck things or call them out on their retardedness. He is very vocal about his opinions and will make sure you and everyone else knows it. On April 09 2012 01:51 Blazinghand wrote: Good morning ladies and gentlemen! At first you were probably like "what are we going to do?" but then you realized BH is here to save you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E5GUT.png) So I'm gonna go over this hard and fast, just like you like it baby 4F starts off in what is my opinion a wholly unlikeable and anti town fashion: link He almost immediately retracts his unbelievably bad idea, which I would give him credit for if he had any reason for other than "I don't want to get lynched, as I am scum and my wincon requires me not to get lynched" (link) and I find his vote on S.T to be entirely unsatisfactory, much like my last girlfriend was (link) "Why is it unsatisfactory blzinghand" Here I show you. his reasoning for the S.T vote is a crappy quote a short, unfocused case. Was S.T a bit too wordy in his reply? Verbose in his defense? Well, then that's in S.T's court, surely. But let's take a look at S.T's filter for a moment:S.T Oh hay S.T is in fact a lurker. So... 4F doesn't like the idea of lynching a lurker, he says "lurkers are a weak faction" and that going after them is what scum would do. Personally I think that's wrong. But even assuming that's right, isn't that exactly what 4F is doing? "What's going on here blzinghand I don't understand" Well, S.T is a lurker. Does he have some posts? yeah. but he's posted fuck all shit this entire game. Your post count doesn't determine your lurker status, your content count does. Assuming 4F is wrong, well, he's a moron scum trying to lynch someone who's inadequately defended himself. And assuming his thoughts on lurkers are right, then he's scum since he's trying to push a lurker lynch. Either way... ##vote fourface please detour in my direction, my brother. This is from Mafia LI. He was town in this game and this is one of the posts he opened with Day one. Notice the picture and how Godly Blazinghand portrays himself as town. Again here he likes to use mean words to express his feelings and opinions and is not afraid of being wrong. He is also a silly man in the way he posts. He uses sarcasm and other silliness expressions or lines. This game he has not done that. | ||
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In BH's normal posting he is trying to figure out who mafia is. He is just very aggressive about it. | ||
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On June 06 2012 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay, that's fair I think. I haven't read the analysis in question or anything, but if what you're saying is true then I'm down with a ghost lynch. ##Vote: ghost_403 I think I should point out however that he could just be lazy townie in this instance, but based on what we've pointed out here I think he's got a good enough chance of flipping scum to lynch. Who else is down with a ghost lynch? PEdit: Welcome Katina! I'm not scum, don't be silly! Could you expand on why playing "normally" is a scumtell please? On June 06 2012 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm sold. Like, his style isn't generally regarded as good for town, so I could understand if he were trying to switch it up or something, but he's not trying to find scum either so I can't accept that as a response even if he says that's the case. We're halfway through D1 so people should have some pretty firm opinions about someone...BH hasn't displayed any opinions of anyone. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: Blazinghand On June 06 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote: MrZentor Maybe this will resuscitate our dear friend. O.o my goodness VE. You bounce around more than a little kid that is about to go to Disneyland. | ||
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My vote is staying on Blazinghand because I honestly think he is Mafia. His last attempts at his sarcastic, silly "Usual" play in his recent posts (which is dulled down) feel forced. How he played early on in the day really rubbed me the wrong way. He talked about mechanics instead of finding scum. He flew under the radar and his defense to posts against him was not satisfactory. I also think that Zentor is Mafia, as ghost just said before me he hasn't been contributing anything useful to the town. His defenses are very poor and empty. I don't like his random vote on Pandian. He appears to be sheeping along with whatever the other players are doing. | ||
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On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote: I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced. It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target. I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town? You mean this post? I'm not at all surprised why I overlooked it. | ||
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I talked about Pandian a little bit in my last post. I don't know if I completely believe his claim. He wasn't too suspicious until he claimed. I'm not comfortable enough in my suspicions of him to lynch him just yet. I would prefer if he lived a bit longer so we can see more from him. There's always the possibilty that he could be telling the truth as well. Like I said he is going to be lynched soon so there's not much more to say on the matter. | ||
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You have some valid points in your case but I'm still not comfortable lynching him today. If the town believes he's a good candidate then by all means lynch him. I think we would have been better off with a Blazinghand lynch. All the signs are there for him. | ||
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Let's take a look at one of his first posts. On June 05 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Attention! I have a very important announcement for everyone in town! I am a Miller! What does this mean? First and most importantly, it means that I am a "townie" and win with Town. I'm not a "traitor" who wins with scum, or a "survivor" who wins with whomever, I'm a Miller and despite what our DTs may tell us later, I win with Town. Now, I don't expect you to just take my word for it: I expect you to keep a very close eye on me and lynch the FUCK out of me if it looks like I'm pushing Mafia objectives…but I don't expect that to be a problem because I'm going to be very actively pushing TOWN objectives. However, what I propose is that we do NOT waste DT checks on me. Why? Because all it will do is confirm what I've told you just now - that a DT check will return a guilty result. What I propose you do is hold me to a higher standard than others when considering my lynch. Not an impossible standard - I DO want to live long enough to help find some scum…but a higher standard than others you consider for lynch in regard to content and clarity. In return, I promise to be as open and honest with my reads and thoughts as possible, while simultaneously trying to consolidate my own posts for maximum thread readability. So there you have it! I'm a Miller! What do you think about THAT, town? I'm actually a little excited because finally I don't have a freaking BLUE role to ruin. ^^ Here he opens with claiming that he is a Miller. He makes this big post about how he is all for the town and don't bother with a DT check because he will come back red. He says to keep a close eye on him and if it looks as if he is pushing a Mafia agenda then to lynch him. He uses capitals to emphasize his points and what NOT <--- to do. He comes out of nowhere with this post because he knows that people love to kill him and/or check him night 1. This is an attempt to divert suspicion from him and to ignore any evidence suggesting otherwise because he made it known early on. So when someone brings up suspicion he can just say "No. I told you early on I was a miller blah blah blah" This is proven in his next post when he recieves a vote On June 05 2012 07:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Pushing mafia objectives =/= being obvious scum friend, I don't know where you've been playing. Town should be keeping a super-close eye on me regardless of what I'm doing, exactly because of this claim. I'm not trying to "avoid examination", I'm trying to make the most of our DT checks. Are you saying that it would be beneficial to town somehow to "confirm" my claim by checking me only to lynch me later for me to flip exactly what I said I would? Is that what you're trying to achieve here? Having DT's actually check me? Because it seems like an awful waste to me, especially since your first reaction to the claim was "KILL IT!!!"...like, if all it's going to take is an off word or two to send me through the shredder, then why the hell WOULD a DT check me? Anyway, I'm open to suggestions as to how to handle it - I gave my suggestion. Enough said. On June 05 2012 07:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Thank you. So which camp are you in BH? Hilarious or Bad? Because I think this is probably the best way to handle Miller right now. Here we see that VE can get away with just about anything because people just brush it off as typical VE play. I refuse to just brush all the derpness that comes out of VE's mouth as just typical VE play. On June 06 2012 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Now, Katina, tell me it surprises you. Go on, I could use a good laugh. ^^ I say it every game - my vote is a tool. People react to pressure, and my vote helps to lend that telling pressure. Do you think it's scummy? Because I couldn't help but notice that you left that out of your astute analysis of my votes.  This was his post that he made in defense of his voting on three different people. As you can see it's not much.... Again he uses the "My vote is a tool" excuse. He is really playing up his "I'm VE I vote on the whole town in a day and people will just nod and smile" I'm not buying it. This is also interesting On June 06 2012 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm sold. Like, his style isn't generally regarded as good for town, so I could understand if he were trying to switch it up or something, but he's not trying to find scum either so I can't accept that as a response even if he says that's the case. We're halfway through D1 so people should have some pretty firm opinions about someone...BH hasn't displayed any opinions of anyone. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: Blazinghand Note how he is sold on BH and ready to lynch. Then what does silly VE do? On June 06 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not interested in lynching BH today. He posts this later on. I thought he was sold? On June 06 2012 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm ready to lynch Pandain. lolwut? Who's with me? This post followed after. He makes a silly post that he is ready to lynch Pandian. Okay, well he was playing oddly I will give him that then he proceeds to make this case: On June 06 2012 12:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Also this leads well into my thesis: "BULLSHIT!" An observation of the logical fallacy "too scummy to be scum" and it's effect on this game. I think that Furerkip is scum. He's been looking at the game in a very limited way: removing bad townies so that scum are easier to find. However, as it's been observed numerous times in the past and what has become the town consensus is that this is a terrible way to play the game because there's no benefit to killing townies. This is where the logical fallacy is rooted. In my post here I point out both why I'm suspicious of Furerkip and also why I could be mistaken about my read. I'm conflicted, because I'm suspicious, but I feel he could be town, so I employ town to look for me and give me the "second opinion" I desire. The responses were almost unanimously in favor of "newb-town" because of how aggressively he attacks me and how anti-town his posting is. However, the first point about his aggressiveness is null because not only does he backpedal before he leaves (in spite of leaving his vote on me) in this post: ...but he hasn't been back in the thread to continue his "brashly aggressive" style against anyone else in the game. Just parks his vote on me. And the second point of how anti-town his motivation is - is based entirely upon the logical fallacy "too scummy to be scum". There's no such thing as too scummy to be scum. For these reasons, I remain suspicious of Furerkip and anyone who has been pushing the notion that he's auto-town because of his responses deserves instant FoS, which happens to include Mr. Pandain. He makes this case on Furerkip and just briefly mentions Pandian at the end. I thought he was ready to lynch Pandian. Why make a post against another player instead of making your case on Pandian to ensure his lynch? On June 06 2012 13:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll make a case later Pandain. Suffice to say that I feel like you've been playing a scummy game all game, and it has only now become clear why. What? Don't most people make their cases then cast their votes instead of waiting for later? I'm not sure why VE would need to wait until later to make his case. It really makes no sense. VE has been all over the place day 1. He goes after several people. He votes on one person then goes and makes accusations and cases against someone else. His play is incredibly inconsistent. He is using his "Typical Play" card to do whatever he wants. He is doing nothing but casting doubt around the town. His focus is on throwing around accusations to try and appear like he's scumhunting. He appears to be pushing a Mafia agenda. VE made his miller claim early on so no one will suspect him because he "warned" us. His play has been completely ridiculous. He shouldn't be allowed to live through the night let alone another day. VisceraEyes is Mafia. Don't let his excuses that he's VE fool you into overlooking his scummyness. He is not helping the town at all. This needs to stop. VE is over emphasizing his Millerness. It reminds me of Bill Murray in jubjub where he got checked before the mafia converted him, and he just kept emphasizing that he was innocent cause he got checked. Also we should kill blazinghand. | ||
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On June 08 2012 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Snarfs who do you think is scum besides BH? Katina seems to have it in her head that I'm scum, in spite of me trying my hardest to just emanate green...to be honest the fervor with which she believes her (awful) case and the timing of it are extremely suspicious to me. Like, if she's been this suspicious of me all game, why hasn't she been trying to get me lynched? Especially with built in support in the form of Furerkip's placeholder vote? What do you think of Katina sir? She's been all over BH, which I'm sure you like, but what do you think about her case on me? I would like to comment on this post. How is the timing of my case suspicious? I posted it when night began. Posting my case on you before the day ended yesterday wouldn't have been a good idea and would have caused more trouble than good with the Pandian lynch locked in. Hence why I waited for night. I didn't try and push for your lynch because I was curious about you and wanted to see more from you. I wasn't as sure of you as I would have liked to be before the end of the day. I was more interesting in a BH lynch day 1 because I was more comfortable and confident that he was Mafia ( I still think he is by the way). Yes you are trying your hardest, and constantly emphasizing that you are green. That is what I find suspicious, you are trying too hard to make accusations and cases against others to prove your worth and usefulness. | ||
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On June 08 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Very well. I'm very VERY suspicious of BH indeed. It took me going back and rereading his entire filter TWICE before I realized the problem with his play that I had. Until that point, his play seemed off to me but aside from the lack of aggressiveness and take-chargeness that I'm used to seeing, I couldn't find anything scummy. Then it occurred to me the obvious - that BH has been AVOIDING DOING SCUMMY THINGS! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOO Of course your mileage may vary, but to me it seems like his play is teetering somewhere between diplomatic and sarcastic...but it has definitely NOT screamed town to me, as his play has done in the past. I look forward to hearing his full thoughts on the events of yesterday, because as it stands if Furerkip gets modkilled or replaced, then I'll be pushing BH's lynch. You are just now realizing this? | ||
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On June 08 2012 10:14 Blazinghand wrote: Yes clearly my sinister scum plan was to fakeclaim vigi then lie about whether or not I can shoot on the next night It's a good way to derail the thread and switch the focus from scumhunting though. You never asked the host though. If I read correctly zelblade was the one that did. | ||
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