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On May 30 2012 20:06 Radfield wrote: K, I'm skipping over the last page or so because I don't have much time, and want to get this said. My apologies if this has already been said. Roleblocker is the pick we need to send in for mafia. The reason for this is the role we absolutely do not want a combination of framer/gf + cop/tracker. That gives us the least possible advantage in this game. By us publicly sending in the roleblocker, it basically forces mafia to give us 2 of vigilante/medic/innocent child. If they decide to give us either cop or tracker that is even better, as we will KNOW that they only have a roleblocker and cannot throw off our investigations. Roleblocker vs 2 of vigilante/medic/innocent child is a fantastic place to be. If they happen to give us tracker or cop that is even better. It is far far better than any other scenario. Role and Alignment being hidden we want to save until lylo, as at that point it doesn't hurt us. Likewise when only 1 mafia is left. Voting being Secret we want to save until we have an obvious lynch. Lynch locks once majority hits does not hurt us at all, and is our freebee. Mayoral election is our second freebee. Day cycle shortened to 24 hours we'll use in the lategame, as discussion is slow then anyways. I'm out of time, more later. Mafia gets one role not two. Therefore , your entire argument is wrong, roleblocker is the best pick and framer is the worst . Gr is passive so it really depends . | ||
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On May 30 2012 21:41 Radfield wrote: Roleblocker is by far the most useless role for mafia in this setup. I will gladly explain this in further detail once the roles are picked, but it should be obvious to anyone looking at the setup and considering mafia options. I don't want to say any more than that right now, but there is really no contest. Consider this though, if we KNOW we have sent in roleblocker(ie everyone sends that in) then we KNOW we can trust every single check via tracker or cop. That is incredibly important. Given that, mafia will have to give us some combination of the other three roles, which is an absolutely fantastic setup for town. (Innocent child cannot be roleblocked, medic never needs to claim, vig never needs to claim until second shot when he cant be roleblocked anymore). Please send in roleblocker. If you fail to see how scummy this is, may Whoever help you | ||
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Radfield's Fall once again ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MTDQq.jpg) I am not implying Radfield is Saddam Hussein, it's first image I've found. It's amazing how fast you can slip when trying to play an active scum game. I guess it must be hard hiding your activity when last games weren't exactly exciting nowadays. Well, let's start to get those slips out, shall we? + Show Spoiler [First] + On May 30 2012 20:06 Radfield wrote: K, I'm skipping over the last page or so because I don't have much time, and want to get this said. My apologies if this has already been said. Roleblocker is the pick we need to send in for mafia. The reason for this is the role we absolutely do not want a combination of framer/gf + cop/tracker. That gives us the least possible advantage in this game. By us publicly sending in the roleblocker, it basically forces mafia to give us 2 of vigilante/medic/innocent child. If they decide to give us either cop or tracker that is even better, as we will KNOW that they only have a roleblocker and cannot throw off our investigations. Roleblocker vs 2 of vigilante/medic/innocent child is a fantastic place to be. If they happen to give us tracker or cop that is even better. It is far far better than any other scenario. Role and Alignment being hidden we want to save until lylo, as at that point it doesn't hurt us. Likewise when only 1 mafia is left. Voting being Secret we want to save until we have an obvious lynch. Lynch locks once majority hits does not hurt us at all, and is our freebee. Mayoral election is our second freebee. Day cycle shortened to 24 hours we'll use in the lategame, as discussion is slow then anyways. I'm out of time, more later. What? This is EXACTLY combination we WANT. Framer has two shots. He has small chance to succeed. Lawyer my guy or frame this guy? Our cops/trackers if present will have Players-1/Players chance of getting a true check. This role, adding that it's only two-shot one is so bad that it hurts my eyes. Godfather is weak too and our trackers/dts have the same chances of getting a true check every night, the only thing making him better is that he works forever. Roleblocker on the other hand, is THE BEST role out there. Affects EVERY role (besides Child, but it would be foolish to pick it anyway, Doctor+Child without a roleblocker is such an awesome gg haha). What's better: giving a dt a false check when You get EXTREMELY LUCKY or denying dt a check for one night, while it is a lot easier to blue hunt THAN to blue target hunt (do people even try to do this?). Roleblocker will be good in ANY setup, while framer/gf suck without information roles. But Kurumi, what if we pick them and they know it? We get two cops/trackers? Good luck framing their check and then trying to sway a lynch with "follow the cop" crap. Logic and analysis>blue role shenanigans. Also keep in mind that "I don't have much time" crappy excuse. Let me collect them. + Show Spoiler [Second] + On May 30 2012 21:41 Radfield wrote: Roleblocker is by far the most useless role for mafia in this setup. I will gladly explain this in further detail once the roles are picked, but it should be obvious to anyone looking at the setup and considering mafia options. I don't want to say any more than that right now, but there is really no contest. Consider this though, if we KNOW we have sent in roleblocker(ie everyone sends that in) then we KNOW we can trust every single check via tracker or cop. That is incredibly important. Given that, mafia will have to give us some combination of the other three roles, which is an absolutely fantastic setup for town. (Innocent child cannot be roleblocked, medic never needs to claim, vig never needs to claim until second shot when he cant be roleblocked anymore). Please send in roleblocker. DING DING DING I promise to explain something REALLY FREAKING IMPORTANT but.. later... after it goes through... Yup. Can't get more scummier than that, Mr. Radfield. Also this "Please send in roleblocker" because what, you can't? OH RIGHT, I FORGOT. Wrong, we NEVER can "trust every single check" unless of course, we are Mafia and know we've picked a dt and noone from our team is faking one... RIGHT, MR. RADFIELD? Just because someone said "X is mafia, I checked him last night" does not mean he is telling the truth, wake the heck up people. The most important thing in this scenario is: * Look who do you trust more. "Mr. DT" or "poopfeast420"? DT is scummy? Well, to hell with him, it's not like we shouldn't lynch DTs first in this setup WHERE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE SECOND FREAKING CHECK, RIGHT? * Try to fit this scenario into current game. Did someone was getting close to getting lynched? Is he believed to be scum? DING DING DING, something's wrong! Of course Innocent Child can't be roleblocked, but who sane would pick even one of those? A madman, that's right. Vigilantes or One-Shot cops are best picks for mafia. Vigilantes because they tend to suck and cops because they tend to suck. And they suck. See? Medic is a roulette everytime pretty much, while Tracker is absolute THE BEST role out there. Can collect multiple checks etc. + Show Spoiler [Third] + On May 30 2012 21:54 Radfield wrote: I see no need to encrypt our roles, I honestly don't understand the need for it at all. No townie is going to lie tomorrow about what role he sent in today, and mafia is going to lie regardless of whether they encrypt or not. So why are we encrypting?? Shooting down an excellent plan by a guy who has seen a game like this before. Of course. I guess I am going to go with a guy who does not seem scummy and actually speaks his mind, huh Mr.Radfield? + Show Spoiler [Fourth] + On May 30 2012 22:01 Radfield wrote: when we ask everyone tomorrow what they sent in(without encrypting today), all townies are going to tell the truth, and all mafia are going to lie. If we encrypt are roles today, all townies are going to tell the truth, and all mafia are going to lie. Encrypting does nothing. Regardless, It doesn't matter if mafia know they are getting roleblocker, as they still have to give us the roles we want. There is no advantage to mafia knowing they are getting roleblocker. Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy? Check first spoiler to see a contradiction. Radfield is scum. Roleblocker is the best pick for mafia. He tries to assure town that checks are to be trusted everytime without framer/gf, which is ton of bullcrap. Always take check with a grain of salt. Kurumi out. Framer/GF suck. | ||
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"Check first spoiler to see a contradiction in red" | ||
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On May 31 2012 04:12 Radfield wrote: Actually, I probably won't. I have limited time this game, and am going to focus it on scumhunting. If I'm still alive Day 2 I will start responding to criticisms. Remember that thing that You don't sign up for games when You don't have time? Excuses, excuses. Scum. | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:13 Radfield wrote: I agree with that assessment prplhz, though I will say that I'm pretty sure I have seen bugs play this way before as town. I'm a Cop You Idiot comes to mind, but I'll have to double check. Also, bugs standard scum play is NOT generally ambivalence and coasting. I would say he's one of the most active scum players on the forum. No time to respond to me but you have time to defend your buddy it seems? | ||
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On June 01 2012 03:36 HiroPro wrote: Key: KWUIR-KMBIV-QPGAY-CZTNK-BZSVT-ERHIS-YFULP-ZUYOK-GOKYP-TLBON-PIDIC-AAFXW Choose Godfather, I did. Meh, I guess the encryption wasn't really that useful then. I thought it'd make it so that mafia have to guess on what votes to fake. Kurumi: So what I get from your Radfield case is that you think he is scum because he tells everyone to pick Roleblocker even though it's a good role for scum? But I don't really follow that; while I think roleblocker is a strong role for mafia also, Radfield's argument was not bad. And I don't see this contradiction that you are talking about. Radfield seemed to care too much about Town picking Roleblocker. He was all on guns to push it through, while supplying his argument with pure crap, like that we will be able to trust every check with a Roleblocker, which is obviously false. Yes, Roleblocker is the best role for scum, Radfield tried to sway the opinion of the people saying that Roleblocker will grant US best roles, which is not the case. Vigilante? Pfff. Doctor? Yeah, really. Child? As I said, it takes an insane man to pick that role. Tracker is the best role out there. One-time Cop sucks, but he CAN'T FAIL like Vigilante can. Also his argument that "if we make it public that we are picking roleblocker it makes mafia pick those roles!" and then "it doesn't matter if we make it public, they will pick same roles anyway" It was fishing for votes so they could pick good roles. RB is unlimited use and can be used actively and works versus every role. @WBG Obviously. Actually, my real scum meta is that I don't troll and try to lay down (I did troll a bit in my last scum game, though) I didn't troll in some games too. So yeah, thanks for the finger point, now what? | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote: @Kurumi The difference is that roleblocker only works if he actually hits a blue, framer works regardless of whether he hits a blue. If we get a tracker check, then we're going to argue about it now because there are people who will say "he was framed". Before, we could just trust it if we trusted the guy it came from and he wouldn't claim if he wasn't willing to put his life on the line anyway. Radfield explained why medic is a good role, not only can he save townies, he will also discourage scum from shooting into townies that the medic might protect and one successful protect would extend the game by a full day which is awesome. Vigilante is a role that can pretty much confirm itself just be breadcrumbing his shot before he shoots and that's really good too, especially if he actually hits scum. You need to calm down and take deep breath. Roleblocker isn't a horrible role, it's actually the best role. Even if it was horrible then why on earth would Radfield put himself out there like that to push scum agenda like you claim he is doing. What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke? No. Framer does not work. It has a slim chance of working. Framer is a useless role. Try predicting the dt/tracker check. Have fun. Roleblocker on the other hand, if You get two blue reads off You can rb one guy and kill the other. Win win. | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:25 prplhz wrote: So you are saying that we can trust all checks even with framer around because it only has a slim chance of working? Framer is a role that works even when they don't use it successfully, just like medic. Your second argument "if they get two blue reads in a day" then they can neutralize them both with roleblocker. What are the odds of them getting two correct bluereads in one day? Even if they did, without roleblocker they could just kill one and then kill the other. No. I am saying that Framer is crap and he won't frame the check most of the times anyway and that we need to QUESTION ALL CHECKS EVEN WITHOUT MILLERS,FRAMERS,GODFATHERS AND OTHER THINGS. Second, it is not that hard if You actually try to hunt for blues, you know? You just need to actively do it. Besides, THINK. Radfield says that picking Roleblocker gives us chance to get a Medic. True. With GF/Framer the best picks are like Cop/Vig/Tracker, because they are bad/countered well. Buuuuuuuuut, then read what Radfield says later. He states that Medic is THE BEST role for Town. Then, why would Mafia pick Medic IN ANY CASE? | ||
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On June 01 2012 22:15 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit noone will ever get my name right, will ya? anyways, let me explain my thought proccess. Day0 people apparently forgot to vote or were forgetting the obvious; its very common for a player to forget stuff and then be reminded when seeing it on the thread. Heck, there were games I would only realize I hadnt voted when someone called me out. What is the problem with trying to remind the same? second, I changed opinions far too quickly. Basically, I was convinced by Radfield's arguments on the RB. Then Kurumi convinced me about Rad being scum. Then after the day, and wbg pointing out Kurumi's meta, I had to rethink things and decided Rad was right; if I could, I'd switch back to RB pick. I have to look at L though. but hey, yknow what is bad? Risk's post is bad. Points fingers at three people without saying anything. ps. Posting from phone is a pain @_@ Wait, so you think I am scum, correct? | ||
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please post, encrypted, the role you picked for mafia(try to encrypt a phrase like "I picked *** because YYY" so it's hard to reverse-crack it). After this phase we de-crack our codes and verify the role we made mafia pick.
