EPTHi all. This will be my first time playing on a forum. Can't wait to start :D
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sciberbia
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Hi all. This will be my first time playing on a forum. Can't wait to start :D | ||
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sciberbia
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The vigilante has only one shot, correct? Will we be told whether a night kill was due to a vigilante shot or a mafia hit? Will you be notified if you're kidnapped by the jailkeeper? If so, will you be told that it was indeed the jailkeeper that roleblocked you, and not the mafia roleblocker? If the framer attempts to frame a blue or a mafia with a role, does this simply have no affect on anything? | ||
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indifferent - sciberbia, golden, solstice not heard from - mufaa, shiaopi hegeo - can stay on until 6pm Milton - starts work at 7pm mordan - starts work at 8pm release - can't get on until 7pm Looks to me like 7:30pm EST makes the most sense. Any earlier is nice for hegeo, milton, and mordan, but it would really screw over release. Any later is slightly beneficial to release, but detrimental to hegeo, milton, and mordan. If the deadline is indeed 7:30, we should just be aware that a couple people might be gone for the last hour or so, and not to wait until the last minute for a roleclaim or anything. Thoughts on 7:30pm EST? Especially mufaa and shiaopi? | ||
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Firstly, I'm happy to report that I rolled townie :D so I'll be doing my best to contribute. Well, it's Day 1 and as I see it we have two primary objectives: 1) decide that we should indeed lynch 2) lynch the person most likely to be mafia I hope to generate some discussion as well as help us develop our gameplan by posing the following three questions: 1) First of all, can we all agree that it is in our best interest to lynch today? - If we have no DT, going to night gets us nothing except knowledge of which townie (and potential role) the mafia chose to kill for free. Not very helpful. Just based on this case alone, I think it makes sense to lynch today. - Even if we have a DT, it's not like they can claim today as there is no gurantee that we have a medic. And there's just so many bad things that can happen: DT could get hit by mafia, DT could get shot by vig, DT could be fooled by framer/godfather, DT could be roleblocked. The only purpose of not lynching would be to buy our DT (if we have one) time to get some checks, but I don't think it's worth it for the reasons listed above. We might not even have a DT. Mordanis seems to also be of the opinion that we should lynch. Do we all agree? 2) Can we all accept that we might have to vote for our 2nd or 3rd top choice? Obviously, we want to lynch the person most likely to be mafia. However, it is unlikely that we all agree on the most likely mafia candiate. We need 5 votes to lynch someone, and there are only 7 townies, so we have to vote together for the mostpart. I think we should all accept the fact that you may have to vote for someone other than your top candidate so that we at least get a lynch. If somebody has 4 votes on them at the deadline and I think there is a 2/8 chance they are mafia, I'd be willing to change my vote to them just so that we get a lynch. I hope you would all do the same. 3)Can anyone think of a scenario where a day 1 roleclaim is a good idea? One other point I want to bring up is the subject of day 1 roleclaims. I have never played a semi-open setup before, so this is new territory for me. It seems to me that there is no circumstance in which it makes sense to roleclaim on day 1. - I'm sure the game is set up so that mass roleclaim is a bad idea. It would give the mafia too much information. - No role can claim with assured protection of medic because we are not guaranteed a medic. - The final scenario where you might want to roleclaim is if you are about to be lynched. But my question is, should the fact that someone roleclaims deter us from lynching them? Consider the following hypothetical scenario: I am mafia (hypothetically!) and you all decide that my posts are extremely scummy and unanimously vote to lynch me day 1. If I'm mafia (which I'm not), I might as well claim DT or something. I can't really be counterclaimed because for all we know there are 2 DT's. So, should the fact that I claimed DT really make you all change your minds about the lynch? I think not. So, if you are townie are getting bandwaggoned, I think you should defend yourself as best as possible without roleclaiming. I don't think roleclaiming should sway our vote, and it just gives the mafia more information (because they are the only ones that know you're telling the truth.) Finally, Release just asked for opinion on lurkers. If someone is lurking, I will consider them slightly more likely to be mafia than someone who is not, all things being even. But I'd rather draw my scum reads from actual posts. I agree with Mufaa that more quality contributions from everyone can only help. I'm actually going to sleep soon. I'll be back online in about 9 hours at which time I will read the thread. Hope to see lots of discussion. Night. | ||
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On May 22 2012 18:06 O.Golden_ne wrote: I agree with hegeo, Release and Mordanis. It is my opinion that on day one we need to lynch someone, it provides a lot of information and in the optimum situation we can get lucky and hit a mafia. I'd rather mislynch one of our own, then wait a day and one of us get sniped. Ending up in a similar circumstance to the start of D1 just minus a player. Ugh. It seems that we are all in agreement that not lynching today is a bad idea. However, I disagree with the idea that lynching a townie is better than no lynch at all. I will not vote for someone that I have a strong townie read on. I don't think losing a townie and potential role is worth dubious information. Our goal is to lynch scum. On May 22 2012 18:47 ShiaoPi wrote: The only slightly suspicious thing until now was sciberbia's long post and his absence since then, but until he responds there is nothing to make of it. As I stated in my post, I went to sleep soon afterwards. I have just woken up, read the thread, and typed out this post. I don't think my absence should be viewed as suspicious since I told you I was going to sleep. On May 22 2012 16:25 Miltonkram wrote: sciberbia- What do you have to say about the accusations pointed at you? There's quite a bit of fluffy information in your post. Let's try to keep the conversation more focused on who might be scum, everything else is secondary. So, it seems that there is some suspicion on me, headed by Release. The main accusation seems to be that I wrote a lot of fluffy text, trying to make it look like I was contributing, while not actually saying much. I guess this is a reasonable accusation, because everyone agrees with everything I said. I just wasn't aware that it was obvious to everyone. I agree with Miltonkram that we should focus our efforts on scumhunting, but at the beginning of the game, there is obviously not a lot to go on, so my primary goal was to generate discussion, as I stated in my post. Discussion prompts people to post, and this allows us to analyze their posts for reads. While it seems that we are all in agreement that no-lynch is a very bad idea and that nobody will be roleclaiming on day 1, this was not obvious to me at the time of my post. Mordanis said that his last game started out with a discussion to vote or not. Basically, I did not know that you'd all agree. The same goes for day 1 roleclaims. In closed setups, day 1 roleclaim can help town, and I didn't know that you'd all agree that roleclaiming is a bad idea. I agree that my hypothetical scenario is a bit confusing, and it is rendered unnecssary by the fact that you all agree not to roleclaim. I did not know you'd agree. Perhaps in future I will confirm that someone actually disagrees before trying to persuade you, so you don't have to read my "fluff". I'm not trying to claim that I have any brilliant and novel logic or plans. I was just trying to generate discussion and confirm some basic things that will help town, as I stated in my post. At the very least, I think I succeeded in the former goal. I will be concentrating the rest of my efforts towards finding scum. P.S. I think hegeo meant he thinks its NOT a good idea to share town reads, a statement with which I agree for the reasons he stated. | ||
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On May 23 2012 00:30 Release wrote: Still, we need more information, especially because this is Day1 and we only have some 8 hours left and no concrete scum yet. I'm pretty sure we have 8 + 24 = 32 hours to the deadline. Day phases are 48 hours. | ||
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On May 23 2012 00:15 s0Lstice wrote: Can we stop discussion about policy now please? It creates an environment where scum can comfortably post and be 'CREDIT TO TEAM.' Scumhunting must begin now. Excellent point. On May 23 2012 00:15 s0Lstice wrote: Miltonkram confuses me. You say you don't want people to share town reads because it's giving information to the mafia. What? Scum know who is town and who is not. Scumhunting is ALL ABOUT posting your reads on people. They are accused, and must defend. You smell fishy to me Milton. I think you misunderstood Milton's point. He is saying that we should focus on who we think is mafia, not on who we think is town. If we all agree that someone is town, that gets us nowhere and just gives mafia an easy kill target. | ||
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On May 22 2012 16:02 Miltonkram wrote: Hey all, just got in from work. I'll wait on pressuring people to see who is a lurker or inactive, but I'm hoping that won't be a big issue. People who still haven't posted since the Day 1 post: -Golden -hegeo -ShiaoPi I'd really like these three players to check in at the very least, if not start to put some information out there. Here is his first post. In his first post, all he basically does is pressure other people to post and also say nothing. He also expresses disdain for lurkers/inactives, which is about the least controversial thing he could do. Seems a bit scummy. On May 22 2012 16:25 Miltonkram wrote: Release- I like the way you're starting out this game. If we are going to catch scum we need to be aggressive about it. Don't worry too much about the tone of your posts. sciberbia's post does seem a bit suspicious. He repeats his ideas several times in different ways to make it look like he's putting out more info than he actually is. It seems quite scummy to me. Mordanis- Don't get too offended by aggressive behavior. If mafia doesn't actually think that a little pressure will lead to a lynch, then why should they answer any questions at all? We need to make sure that people are held accountable to what they say. sciberbia- What do you have to say about the accusations pointed at you? There's quite a bit of fluffy information in your post. Let's try to keep the conversation more focused on who might be scum, everything else is secondary. In his second post, he first tries to compliment the most active player at the time. He also tries to support the accusation against me, basically just repeating what Release said. On May 22 2012 19:55 Miltonkram wrote: This'll be my last post for a little while seeing as getting sleep is kind of important. ShiaoPi- While sciberbia's posting content was a bit suspect, I wouldn't read too much into his absence. He did state in his post that he was about to get some sleep. Let's hear what he has to say. Golden- This early in the game I think any town reads are going to be weak, so I don't see much value in posting them. We have to remember that mafia have 90% of the information here. Posting town reads can just cut into the 10% that they don't know. If there is a time when it's important that we post such information (e.g. we think we're about to die, we think the town is about to mislynch) then by all means post it, but right now is not one of those crucial times. In this post, he continues to try to build suspicion against me, but he just says my post was "a bit suspect". Aside from the fact that before he said he seemed "quite scummy to him", he tries to not take too harsh a stance. Also, his statement to golden is bascially just a rehash of what hegeo said earlier and isn't too controversial. IN SUMMARY: I think milton is scummy: - he hasn't posted a ton but enough not to be lurky - he tried to pile supsicion on me but was wishy/washy about it - he isn't sticking his neck out on anything | ||
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Can I get some opinions on Milton? I really feel like I've got some solid stuff to go on, but so far 3 people have kind of disregarded it completely. If you disagree with my read, please at least say so. | ||
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Mordanis, what are your thoughts on hegeo's last two posts? | ||
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Your primary accusation and most tangible peace of evidence is that hegeo's first post was 10 minutes after Milton called out the three people left to post. I don't find this very inciminating. If hegeo was mafia and worried about looking like a lurker, he'd just have posted a fluffy sorta "hi all" first post, similar to Milton, solstice etc. If he's mafia and not that worried about looking like a lurker, why would he panic so much? It just doesn't make much sense to me. If you were mafia, would you watch the thread, wait until someone calls you out as lurking, and then post 10 minutes later? Seems dumb. I see where you're coming from, and I agree it's a bit fishy, but I guess I'm just more willing to believe it's a coincadence than you are. And I liked the actual content of his first post. Mordanis, your statement about working with Golden struck me strangely as well. I was expecting someone to comment on it. And it makes sense that he would criticize you because you had just accused him. Doesn't seem odd to me. His defense is a litte weird, but I don't find it particularly scummy. I'm really not quite sure what to make of his post about Release. I could see him posting it as either town or mafia. Also, you say that he isn't helping scumhunt, but he just assembled some evidence against shiaopi. Personally, I would be willing to vote for hegeo if it was between that and no-lynch, but I think we have better options. I don't really have a read on hegeo. I'll think about it more tomorrow if he's still in contention for lynching. I encourage everyone to weigh in as we have have quite a few accusations. | ||
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You don't have to jump all over me just because I don't 100% agree with your accusation (which you don't even seem completely convinced of yourself, saying that you were "very willing" to change your mind, and that you accused him for the purpose of generating discussion as much as anything.) I didn't accuse you of anything.. I merely stated my thoughts on hegeo. On May 23 2012 05:29 Mordanis wrote: About Golden, I played with him in our last game. It's nice to see a familiar face. That's the only reason why. Basic human needs and such. I thought about your sentence about Golden a lot and concluded that it means nothing except that you are probably not mafia with Golden. I'm just saying it caught my attention as well. On May 23 2012 05:29 Mordanis wrote: The last four lines are jumbled between what I said and what other people said. I didn't understand them. If you'd clarify I'd love to comment on them as well. - you stated in your post that hegeo was not helping to scumhunt, but he had just accused shiaopi. Was just pointing that out. - i'm not convinced hegeo is mafia, nor am i convinced he is town. So, I'd be willing to vote for him, but I think we have better options - I encourage other people to post On May 23 2012 05:29 Mordanis wrote: One final thing: I think the whole passive-aggressive thing needs to end. I understand that you don't want to be lynched (neither do I), but just being angry at one person for the sake of being angry doesn't help anything. I don't see how I was being passive-agressive, unless you mean the fact that I'm undecided about hegeo. I'm not angry at anybody. Maybe you weren't talking to me? And I don't see what being angry at one person has to do with being passive-aggressive. On May 23 2012 05:29 Mordanis wrote: And I don't see anyone you are considering lynching in your post. You don't have to be so defensive. Just because I don't agree with you on hegeo doesn't mean I think you're mafia. I've already accused milton and I have one other scum suspect that I'll probably not bring up until tomorrow. What does everyone else think about hegeo??? So far, the three people that are going for his throat are the three people that he has criticized: Mordanis (at the beginning), Release (a few hours ago), and Shiaopi (just now). Personally, I'm not convinced, and I think these three might be a bit biased. I think we need everyone else (solstice, mufaa, milton, golden) to give their opinion's on hegeo. I also wouldn't mind comments on milton or shiaopi. | ||
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My apologies - I didn't thoroughly read your post before responding to Mordanis's post which was directed at me, and I guess I just assumed you'd accuse him back lol. So, what are your thoughts on hegeo then? | ||
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On May 23 2012 07:59 Release wrote: Talk about filler. You had filler before and now more filler. This is purely WIFOM and does not help the town one bit. And the length of this WIFOM is absurd too. Wasting the townies' time. ##FOS: Sciberia I disagree that my thoughts on the "coincidence debacle" is purely WIFOM. Mordanis's argument was that hegeo made a knee-jerk reaction. A knee-jerk reaction wouldn't be WIFOM. I was stating that I'm skeptical that hegeo would panic so much. I'm gathering that it is frowned upon whenever I elaborate my thoughts too much, but I don't really see how this hurts town. I'm not just providing filler - I think I've already posted enough that I'm not going to be accused of lurking, so I don't see what mafia motive I could have for defending hegeo as I did. Whereas I do have a town motive: trying to decide on our best lynch target. And if you decide to unFOS me, please remember to do it twice, because I don't believe you ever removed your last FOS on me. That would be great :D I will be inactive for the next 17 hours or so due to studying, sleep, and a final. On the upside, I'll be able to be very active for the last 6 hours before the deadline. I think we should start figuring out who are our realistic lynch candidates for tomorrow. And MUFAA will you please contribute? | ||
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Milton: seems scummiest to me. I think Golden's analysis was pretty good. Seriously, just read his filter. As of now, he is my top choice for lynch. Hegeo: Since yesterday, I've grown a bit more suspicious of him. Don't think he'd be a terrible lynch but I'd rather lynch Milton. Shiaopi: I was extremely suspicious of him at first, but he is gaining my trust somewhat. I'd rather not lynch him today, but would vote for him if the alternative was no-lynch. Mufaa: I just have a feeling that we shouldn't lynch mufaa. I read through the mafia QT for the last game he played, and he was actually extremely strategic about his lurking. And after the first couple days, he started to post a lot. I don't think being the only hardcore lurker is a winning mafia strat. I think it's more likely he either lost interest or is busy or something. It's obvious to me that those people under suspicion will push for a Mufaa lynch, just because they view him as an easy lynch and not too controversial. I'm not really going to hold it against you for pushing Mufaa, but let's face it (sorry for the hypothetical Release), if mufaa isn't mafia, who do the mafia have a really easy time getting mislynched? Got to go. I'll be back in 6 hours or so. I'd like everyone to consider voting for Milton. | ||
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I just went through everyone's filter and wrote down who I think each person's primary targets are. It seems to me that there are exactly three people who have a realistic chance of being lynched today: miltonkram, hegeo, and shiaopi I ask that we concentrate our discussion on these three people. We need 5 out of a likely 8 votes to be cast on the same person, and mafia are not likely to cooperate, so I agree with Release that we really need to come together as a group and make the decision here. I really would like to hear everyone's brief opinions on these three players specifically, and maybe it will become obvious who our consensus lynch target is. For me: 1) Milton - most scummy 2) hegeo - definitely suspicous 3) shiaopi - a bit supsicious, i'm kinda undecided You can be assured I will vote for whichever of these three we as a group decide is most likely to be mafia. I'll be online until the deadline. | ||
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What are your current opinions on milton, hegeo, and shiaopi? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 22:30 marvellosity wrote: Current Vote Count: hegeo (2): Release, Mordanis Mufaa (2): Miltonkram, hegeo With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Voting ends in 10 hours. Yet to vote: Mufaa, Solstice, sciberbia, O.golden_ne, ShiaoPi. Current FoS Count: Many. I don't really count these obviously. He lurks all day, and then here is his first big post. I don't see what he's contributing, apart from arithmetic skills. I couldn't make a less controversial post if I tired; he makes no effort to help us scumhunt. And then he tries to impress us by making this big list, but what is he actually contributing? Seems scummy. He even ADMITS to not counting FoS's. I may not be the best townie in the world, but at least I keep diligent track of who is FOS'ing whom. Well marvellosity, here is a FoS you better take note of: ##FoS: marvellosity Anyway, in response to milton's post on shiaopi, I agree that his first couple of posts seem scummy. He was initially my top scumread based on those posts. However, I liked his defense to hegeo: he didn't sound scared and wasn't super defensive, but rather stood by what he posted and said he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I still find his overall play a bit suspicious, as I stated before. I don't think we should lynch someone for being a "dangerous" mafia if they were hypothetically mafia. I think we should just lynch whomever is most likely to be mafia. Every mafia is dangerous. Sorry if I'm wrong milton, but my gut feeling has been for a while now that you are mafia and you've done nothing to really dissuade me. Release asked for votes so here goes: ##Vote: Miltonkram | ||
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