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austinmcc
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Currently playing my first newbie game, but I've been following the forum and would love to play in a normal if I could. | ||
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Not voting for ET atm. I know I'm new to playing here, but I've been actively reading all the games for the last little while and skimmed some that were further back. As someone with no history playing here, it DOES feel like there have been some antagonistic and shitty town environments lately. I've got to say that having a town full of "fucking nice" people sounds delightful, and I'll aim to further that. However, despite agreeing with the sentiment, I'm not going to vote for ET. I'm in agreement with jaj here that this bit of his announcement - + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 11:55 EchelonTee wrote: Last thing; I never ignore the newbies. You'll see a bunch of people run for mayor who will be like "I'm bad as scum, good as town, so I'll lynch right and this will all be good kk", but only I will actually consider cases put forth by newbies and actually judge if they have merit. While I might not be the best at hard scumhunting, compared to other players in this game, I pride myself at being able to separate "bad townies" from "newbie scum". Some examples of that are FourFace in TL Mafia LI and gumshoe in Surprisingly Normal VII. Tons of people were calling for vig shots, lynches, etc. and I just said STFU, they are townies. Let's focus. We've had mostly discussion from vets/longer-term-players (I got no idea what the cutoff is there), but this issue is something that the newer players should speak up on. There are a sizable number of us here, and so to the extent that we read something in a particular way, we're going to need to speak up. Anyone else that's relatively new want to comment on ET's campaign? Going to look some more at Toad, but right now I don't want to vote him either. The claim has been discussed enough, and he seems pretty certain that he's going to get shot N1. A platform of "I'm great at scumhunting D1 and will get blown away N1" doesn't sound awful, frankly, but he's just speculating on the N1 kill. Also, the extra vote may not be huge but I'd rather have it active and in town hands. A mayor-for-a-day loses us the extra vote later on, and I don't like that he's not really giving that consideration from a town perspective. Right now I guess I'll throw my vote on Mr. Wiggles. The "lynch Grush" campaign doesn't do much for me, and I'm not putting VE in as mayor if a nice town environment is what I'm going for. I don't love the idea of putting a non-vet in the mayor spot, but is it worth discussing? If unreadability is actually a plus, it gives you that. A newbie may be more open to being absolutely transparent, even to the extent of allowing the majority to decide the D1 vote. If we don't have any more candidacy announcements, it at least brings up some fresh discussion. | ||
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On May 28 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote: 1) is not manipulative toward newbies but towards everyone else. 2) well It's a mior point if he keeps ignoring contribution and talks about non-isssues instead 3) yeah agree About the last phrase: I'd say we should definitly look into people running for election without having a serious chance or without taking it serious. BH and Sinensis come to my mind on that matter because noone is going to vote something like that although it looks "brave" to troll like that because they'll get heat for that either way. So I agree, if someone is in that grey zone of "I am running for mayor" but isn't really that would be something to look for as well. On the first phrase: What alignment did I have in AC? :p I guess jaj not necessarily drawing any conclusions, but he mentioned it and then Toad dismissed the idea that it was manipulative towards newbies. | ||
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He's been entirely transparent with his reasoning for wanting to be mayor, and to the extent that it's a ridiculous campaign, Blazinghand had the same one. If we take Sinensis's comments at face value, he doesn't even care if he or BH get elected, so long as it's someone from the lynch-Grush party. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 13:25 Sinensis wrote: I would settle for being your VP if it means killing grush. On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote: I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing. If you don't vote for me, I encourage you to check out BlazingHand's platform because killing grush N1 really is the best move for town. I'm not for lynching Grush D1, but I also don't want to lynch someone for wanting to lynch Grush. The more troubling part of the tunneling is that, as has been mentioned, Sinensis can run for mayor without addressing anything else other than his desire to lynch Grush. I care less about what he would do given Grush v. a somewhat scummy candidate for lynch, because I'm willing to put some merit in the argument that someone absolutely unwilling to help town shouldn't be left sitting around. | ||
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On May 29 2012 02:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, some people have commented on either thinking that sinensis or strongandbig aren't the best lynch for today. However, between the two, who do you think is the better lynch? If you don't think either of them are good lynches, who do you think is? This is your chance to get your thoughts out in the thread and let us know what you think. Also, try to give reasons too, not just a name. Since my vote's on you and you asked, I'll respond a little further. I'm still against a sinensis lynch. His tunneling doesn't tell me anything, wanting to policy lynch doesn't tell me anything here, and so he doesn't seem like a good lynch to me, or a better lynch that other options. See previous post for more specific thoughts - + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 21:55 austinmcc wrote: As far as Sinensis goes, I don't find him a good lynch candidate at this point. He's been entirely transparent with his reasoning for wanting to be mayor, and to the extent that it's a ridiculous campaign, Blazinghand had the same one. If we take Sinensis's comments at face value, he doesn't even care if he or BH get elected, so long as it's someone from the lynch-Grush party. + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 13:25 Sinensis wrote: I would settle for being your VP if it means killing grush. On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote: I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing. If you don't vote for me, I encourage you to check out BlazingHand's platform because killing grush N1 really is the best move for town. I'm not for lynching Grush D1, but I also don't want to lynch someone for wanting to lynch Grush. The more troubling part of the tunneling is that, as has been mentioned, Sinensis can run for mayor without addressing anything else other than his desire to lynch Grush. I care less about what he would do given Grush v. a somewhat scummy candidate for lynch, because I'm willing to put some merit in the argument that someone absolutely unwilling to help town shouldn't be left sitting around. At this point, if he tunnels Grush, we continue to pester him about tunneling Grush. If he backs off of Grush, I'm not entirely confident we wouldn't find that suspicious (See strongandbig running for pardoner, finding out it was a single vote, and pulling his name, but players not accepting his reasoning to pull out). I'd prefer that he were posting and trying, but I can see why doing so might seem futile or might seem like it would just add more fuel to the lynch-Sinensis fire. As for strongandbig, I don't find his running for pardoner scummy, we've had other players speak up and say they didn't see how the vote for mayor/pardoner was working, and so that part of his explanation looks believable. Nobody has come out and said pardoner is a pro-town role, but, assuming that someone had to get elected to it, it would make sense for someone from town to run for that job. Sure, the role may be useful to scum or useful to a lyncher to hold a day hostage in order to get his candidate lynched, but townies should be running for it as well just to keep the alternatives from happening. Apart from that, he's responded to ET's case, bolded you to read it as well, and presented some alternative reads. Given that, neither of them would be my preferred target. However, maybe I'm overwhelmed by the amount of posting from some players, or perhaps it's just the holiday/having lots of lurkers, but I haven't developed any strong scum reads as alternatives. That's entirely unhelpful, but true. I considered de-voting you, but ET is the only other real candidate and I still don't want to vote him mayor. Enough other players are finding your targets scummy that I'd prefer to vote you mayor despite my misgivings on the lynch targets. | ||
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Since I didn't present any alternate lynch candidates yesterday, I wanted to go ahead and note that I'm finding Forumite rather scummy at this point. He initially got involved in a discussion as to whether or not we wanted to lynch the vice-mayor, nothing really to be gained from that. But afterwards, I get the feeling that he's trying to present himself as making some strong reads/arguments about others when he's either not or is sheeping what has already been presented. To start with - Toad On May 27 2012 23:39 Forumite wrote: A bold statement when the day hasn´t really begun, more than half the players are yet to weigh in. I´m agreeing with supersoft on this, he says Toades is scum and I´m inclined to agree with him. Toades explains more about his scumplay than townplay when he is making a case on his townieness, and he´s sounding more nervous than angry in his interaction with supersoft. I´ve seen many town-town arguments, and I don´t think this is one. Toad sounds nervous, and interacts with supersoft in a non-town-town manner. But that's all that Forumite ever presents on Toad. He's then got a couple posts where it feels like he's trying to take credit for pushing Toad. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 02:48 Forumite wrote: I am, I was just starting when he went offline. I´ll pick it up when he gets back. Good to know everyone is jumping on Toades, I was afraid it was only me and supersoft. + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 07:24 Forumite wrote: I´m glad to hear that I was pressuring Toades so much that it forced him to claim. Oh wait... When you, one of my stronger scumreads, accuse ET, one of my stronger townreads, of being scum then I´m having a hard time taking you seriously Toades. I´m with VE on this, I don´t want more power to Toades. He may have been "just starting" to attack Toad, but I certainly don't see him "jumping on Toad" and I don't see much of a case or a strong read. To the extent that Forumite does continue to pressure Toad when Toad is active again, there's never much of a case made, and it Given that Forumite didn't really say much about Toad, I find it curious that he was "just starting" to attack Toad, and that he and supersoft were "jumping on Toad." I don't see that. I don't see much of a case or a strong read, and while he makes good on continuing to pressure Toad when Toad is active again, there's never really much of a case made. He outlines what conclusions we could draw from certain Toad + masoned player combinations and flips, but that doesn't address why he claims to have been attacking Toad so hard early, before the claim. Next up - Zealos To start with: On May 29 2012 07:19 Forumite wrote: There´s my first scumpick! Zealos is scum and needs to die. No reasoning beyond that, Zealos has now become his first scumpick, despite all the interaction with Toad. Next couple posts concerning Zealos? I think Zealos, or barring him a lurker, is a better lynch. On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote: Things like this, it´s just bad! We now know that Zealos is scum. He needs to die. And his post or logic is "just bad." Supersoft calls him out on "stealing" the Zealos case: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 07:55 Forumite wrote: I´m not stealing anyones case, I got an early scumread on Zealos and now I´m telling you about it, if you or S&B or anyone else agree, then I´m happy about that. My first duty is to show I´m town, the second is to find scum. I have to be clear about the first, the second one I prefer to keep to myself until I need to present my reads. Sorry if this makes my filter look a bit thin. His explanation doesn't make sense either. He got an early scumread on Zealos, where early = after the scumread on Toad that he's now put aside. He's telling us about it, without ever telling us anything really. And somehow, in doing this, he's attempted to show that he's town while waiting to find scum until he needs to present reads. Yet half or more of his posts are concerning Toad or Zealos, two players he's presented as strong scumreads. We finally get an explanation after all of this - + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 08:30 Forumite wrote: Let´s kill Zealos :D Useless claim for no reason, little content, telling people to get along and drops a vote. Defends Toades for no reason at all, it wasn´t even much of a case on Toades, and definetly no wagon. Could be that he´s a town on edge, but I don´t like it. Not everyone was jumping on Toades, not that many really. Preemptive defence, could be to gain town credit, or defend a scumbuddy. It doesn´t feel like he´s as suspicious of Toades play as he should be as town. Best one of all, Zealos is basically saying he´s suspicious without taking responsibility. I´d like to say it´s scum guilt, a combination of knowing he´s accusing a townie and not wanting to take a stand in case it gets him into trouble once S&B flips. It's little one and two liners, discussing quotes that either he or other players have already discussed. The first quote is a "useless claim." Zealos then defended Toad and wasn't as suspicious of Toad as he should have been if he were town. And finally, the comment that was "just bad" before. He states shortly thereafter I tried to make a case on Zealos. There´s not much to go on, but the 3 things he´s done in the game look bad. I don't get anything from his posts so far N1 that push me one way or the other. But during D1, more than any other player right now, I get a scum read from him. Stating that he's made cases when he either hasn't or is sheeping someone else's case. The only times he got challenged for it, he backed off and gave really odd responses. He's got to show he's town, and find scum after that, but he wants to keep the scumhunting to himself until he "needs" to present reads. Then despite posting a case on Zealos, his strongest read it seems, he admits there's not much to go on once challenged. FoS: Forumite | ||
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I don't disagree with the read on Zealos, and I don't think it's an example of good town play. But that seems to be the general opinion. I just don't get a good feeling from the way it feels like you tried to pump up your reads on Toad and Zealos, especially when a lot of your reasoning came from supersoft or didn't even feel that strong for you (He said, as he finishes presenting a read that apparently isn't all that strong...). Also, when we had so many inactive players, choosing to hold your reads until pressured to reveal anything doesn't quite sit right with me. Do you currently have any reads outside the main targets of discussion that feel scummy to you? | ||
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On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote: please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly. you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already. + i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end. i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is. Toad, earlier you didn't think Wiggles was mafia yet, but were critical of the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 19:43 Toadesstern wrote: I can offer you a person disagreeing with Wiggles needing protection if that's okay as well. The guy went for a Plan-C lynch.That's the point here, he took the cowards way out. If he was bold he should have lynched Kita if not he should have gone for a nice Plan-B lynch that that was remotely worth information while giviing us an at least existing chance to hit mafia. What wiggles did is lynch into a guy that gave us an existing chance to hit mafia (alhough as pointet out the guy was a true null) while giving us 0 information. I'd rather have seen VE lynched than this guy. We can't make anything out of his lynch because it's 0 information and it basicly had the same chance of hitting mafia a policy lynch has. Not saying he is mafia yet, just saying this lynch was stupid and he looks weird because of it and mafia is not going to shoot someone who is looking weird. Even if they do, I don't care lol | ||
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Leaning town on the moment for supersoft. Sure, his play overnight was odd, but that's fine by me. He didn't shit up a lynch discussion, and I don't really care if he wants to troll for a single night. If it's every night then that will get old, but he won't accomplish anything if he keeps up that play every night anyway. What happens to cwave and phagga? | ||
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That plus a claimed hit is the extent of the case on Gambit. If we're lynching players for lurking and looking scummy when they don't, everyone seems pretty set that Zealos looks actively scummy. Why should we lynch Gambit based off your claimed hit and poor posting, when Zealos has had poor posting and seems less likely to modkill himself out of the game? | ||
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If we're looking to lynch inactivity/lurking, why should I vote Gambit over cwave and phagga? I'm happy to vote Gambit if there's a reason that doesn't apply to 2 or 3 others. If we're just going to go after "scummy lurkers," I'd prefer to go after the one that's least likely to get modkilled for inactivity. Zealos is the only one of those 4 that's managed to post every cycle. Don't get me wrong here, lurking mafia won my last game easy. We DID hit the point that the only scum left were lurkers, and town just killed itself off. I'm absolutely not against lynching into our lurkers. But mainly I want to know why Gambit over Zealos. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote: So he should live because he voted? The fuck kind of defense is that? The nonexistent kind? I'm not defending him. I bring up the vote because: On May 30 2012 06:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Is there a particular reason Gambitx32 wasn't warned or replaced for not voting? I ctrl-f'd his name in greymist's filter and didn't find anything there either. I have a scumread on him based on his only two posts in the thread. Both of his posts are massive walls of summarizing nothing. He also asks You brought up the no-vote in your initial 2 posts when you mentioned him. To the extent that the no-vote factored into your read, the read was off, but you may have been more focused on the crappy posting, in which case the no-vote is entirely irrelevant. Again, I'm not trying to defend Gambit here, I'm trying to see your reasoning. Why him over
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On May 28 2012 00:50 grush57 wrote: Last game, I admit I did terrible and this game I'm going to take it very serious and try to play awesome townie. Please do | ||
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For instance, here's where Manason busses G32 (can we call him this? Much more fun). On May 30 2012 10:26 Manason wrote: A lot of people are apparently making hasty votes, the day just began. We have roughly 45 hours to decide who is Scum and while you can change your vote why not focus the pressure on someone who is more likely to read the forum. ##Vote Kitaman | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:41 Kenpachi wrote: wat? no. im too tired to think of what this is called but how is this bussing? It's not. Was responding to On May 30 2012 10:38 Kenpachi wrote: do you realize what bussing implies? Manason, S&B and austin are all mafia. Pretty clear he doesn't, and he's just decided to go back to unhelpful one-liners | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:45 grush57 wrote: Seriously why do people get on my chain so much when this dude is in here? I'm guessing a combination of your play in LIV, your posts this game, and mainly, the lack of vowels in your name. Seriously, get some more vowels. Kenpachi has 3. VE and ET have 5. | ||
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