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Out of thread communication: Will not be in this game for townies. Move along. As for you scum people, feel free to use any media you deem necessary, just remember nothing is secure. So town people cannot PM each other at all? What do you mean by nothing is secure? Aren't the mafia sure of who their teammates are and are not? Mafia KP is Always Equal to 1! what does this mean? Should I PM questions like this in the future? | ||
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I can't think of a more pointless discussion than the one we are having now. It is being led by Broodking, Kharadbanar, and Dittert. I have the most confidence in willz and to a slightly lesser extent arctic. I'm not sure what we SHOULD be discussing since no investigation abilities have gone out yet, but I doubt this is it. Getting people to talk just for the sake of it is great but my fear is that this discussion will bleed into day 2 when we will have some actual information. | ||
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On April 12 2012 11:56 BroodKingEXE wrote: This is your first post, yet you do nothing to contribute. Why should we stop the discussion, it seems like people are already forming opinions on people based on the "pointless" discussion. Instead of trying to stop the talk, why dont you look over what has already been said and start forming ideas about the tone of the responses. nothing to contribute? I am one of the only people to post something substantive, specific, and concrete. I have looked over what's been said and formed ideas. For example I think you are mafia. | ||
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##vote: dittert did I do that right? I really don't know what to make of Xatalos. I find him suspicious but he himself pointed to dittert and arctic (and me....) Can someone do a list of where all the votes stand currently? Super busy today. @xatalos: yomi even had a strange OMGUS reaction to BroodKingEXE after being suspected, without ANYTHING to back up his counter-suspicion re-read my post. maybe it's not clear, but I accused HIM first. I said brood, kharad, dittert are leading a pointless discussion aka suspicious. willz and arctic I have confidence in aka confident they are town. I no longer think this of arctic. brood never actually accuses me btw. he, like many, won't take a concrete enough stance. @brood On April 12 2012 15:12 BroodKingEXE wrote: @yomi What about Hiro? KB put his vote on him, and here is his response: + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2012 09:57 HiroPro wrote: I'm not an idiot Kharad. Also, lol @ anyone who thinks Kharad's vote is random. He picked me because he wants to compare the response from last game to this game. And this entire conversation about how and when to pressure vote is pointless, considering it's already been done in this game. It doesn't make sense. If KB can see a difference in tone helps the town figure out if he is scum. I want to Hiro to tell us why he isn't scum. Until then I'm going to continue to think he is scum. I found this whole exchange bizarre and didn't really know what to make of it one way or another honestly. Hiro doesn't post a lot so I guess that's suspicious but I don't post that much either. | ||
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I find him suspicious but he himself pointed to dittert and arctic (and me....) Implying that I agree with your case against arctic. notice my logic here that when you suspect someone I also suspect, that makes you less suspicious, as the two reads are mutually exclusive. I was the first person in the thread to attack dittert. I was the first person in this thread to make a concrete attack on anyone. You are now suspicious of him yourself. Therefore .... I'm also suspicious? how am I lurking? how am I not being constructive? I was the first person to post a solid list of suspicious/not suspicious. arctic is off my not suspicious list and has been for some time. It just seems way too convenient that they lurked all game and SUDDENLY appeared to post RIGHT after I called them out I posted in this thread before you. So did dittert. You were one of the last entrants into the thread. I think xatalos is a dunce. A town dunce, but a dunce nonetheless. also BTW i still don't like brood. | ||
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This is what I thought was suspicious: On April 12 2012 08:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hi Guys, I would like to kick off this game with a discussion question: What do you guys think of a Lynch all Lurkers and a Lynch all Liars policy? This is often a strategy employed in games to get scum to talk, and thus be able to separate them from the group. I strongly suggest such a policy, because in forum Mafia we naturally only have the posts of the Mafia to weed them out. If they aren't talking or are lying we will never be able to figure out the truth. Many others have said policy discussion is suspicious. I agree. That's why I was the first to point out dittert and also pointed out, and am iterating my stance against, brood, the other policy wonk. Brood proposes a lurk or lie policy. Dittert proposes an RNG policy. Kharad engages both of them in what I think is a ridiculous discussion. I accuse all three in the first concrete post of the whole thread. Now I am accused of not being concrete, not contributing, etc. Sorry I don't spam the thread, I guess I should. Every post I have made I have accused someone. What is more solid than that? Arctic please vote. You say you don't want to vote early but it's really not that early anymore. Remember I posted that I thought you were town? I'm less and less convinced of that. | ||
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On April 13 2012 01:00 ArcticFox wrote: EBWOP: Also for Yomi -- why is the vote for Dittert if you're sure Brood's scum? note arctic coming to the defense of dittert aka the most highly suspected player defending the second most highly suspected player. first big slip? not sure what to make of hiro accusing xatalos. I think the guy is kind of ridiculous but I think he (xatalos) is town. arctic/ditt/hiropro mafia 1/2/3 ? | ||
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for the third time: I am voting for Dittert because he proposed a policy which I thought was bizarre and ill advised. More than that, I thought that proposing any policy at all was suspicious. Am I really not writing clearly because I feel like I have made one post in this thread and then explained it 5 times. | ||
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I will just say that I can't believe arctic and dittert playing dumb anymore. Maybe it really is me and I'm not being clear but I don't think that's the case. I think they are pretending to not understand some pretty straightforward statements. I'm not going to reiterate myself over and over again to you guys as it is getting ridiculous. you accuse me: I read in the mafia guides that a key mafia tell is trying to rehash old things over and over again. yet you are the one that is doing this. you are the one that keeps bringing up my first post and saying it contains no substance. you (and others) keep saying I haven't said anything. I reiterate what I have said to try to make clear what I have said and then get accused of not saying anything anymore. I want to make a bigger contribution than going in circles with you. Which I plan to do tomorrow. | ||
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It all starts with this bizarre proposal On April 12 2012 08:58 Dittert wrote: What if we all agree to a rng lynch... at least proposing someone to lynch via rng. Then we have something to take a stance on. , I saw someone suggest a seemingly "random" lynch in a couple other games, and in all of those cases the person doing the suggesting ended up getting lynched and being a townie. This is sort of humorous but I think it is a leveling play. I think he saw a strategy that DIDN’T work in other games, and wanted to employ it here. Believing it would again not work. Now Dittert starts really posting and seems like a noob but really is just playing dumb. On April 12 2012 23:53 Dittert wrote: How does that not scream scum? It's not just that he doesn't want a Lynch all Liars policy (which would in theory encourage, or at least allow for, lying), but he dismisses it out of hand. "Don't dwell on liars" is exactly the kind of thing scum would say It doesn’t scream scum because he, like many others, is pointing out that a bad strategy is bad. Why does Dittert keep pushing us to employ bizarre tactics? Because if people use their intuition they will correctly land on him as a mafia player. On April 12 2012 23:53 Dittert wrote: Second, we have this gem: Town willing to kill other town? Even a bad townie (or a townie with a bad idea) is still a townie. It seems to me that this is a numbers game, and you should want as many people on your team alive as possible. He is saying that all lynches have risk but lynching you is less risky as our worst case scenario is lynching a bad player. Him accusing willz who I am still the most confident in only raises my suspicion further. On April 13 2012 09:23 Dittert wrote: Note how even though he lists the 1/2/3 mafia as AF/me/hiropro, he doesn't vote for #1, he votes for me. Derp? I don’t know how you read my post as implying an order of suspicion. Playing dumb again and trying to redirect. On April 13 2012 10:49 Dittert wrote: Well, I admitted that part was a little weak. I can change my read if you want, since I now think someone else is definitely town, but I won't say who or why for fear of endangering his life. The mafia already know who their teammates are and you know this. There are no neutrals. Playing dumb to get out of an accusation. Typical dittert. Contrast these statements: On April 13 2012 22:54 Dittert wrote: 2. Though he has participated a lot, he has not really accused anyone of anything (with a nod to the token aggression towards iamallinson). I think he's waiting until the very end to make any concrete statement so he can judge what stance will be most beneficial to scum. On April 13 2012 01:00 Dittert wrote: You claim to be the first person in the thread to attack me, but willz and Arctic attacked me first. Willz is ONE OF the first to make a suspicious list. Unfortunately I’m on it, but still. Dittert is a ridiculous player that puts words in people’s mouths and posts a lot of nonsensical and stupid things. A lot of people had him pegged as noob town and I almost swung over to that belief but I just don’t buy it anymore. I thought he was mafia before and I still think he is. I’m staying on dittert and I think you guys need to reconsider willz. | ||
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On April 14 2012 03:55 Xatalos wrote: I wasn't sure about voting for yomi over Willz before this post, but now I am. There are several things about yomi that make me very suspicious of him: A) He has been lurking extremely hard and contributing nothing until this moment. Right as Willz starts defending himself, yomi suddenly appears and makes a case against Dittert to improve his filter while avoiding any real attention with this Willz debate going on. Is this a coincidence? It MIGHT be, but I'm leaning on this being a purposeful play. Yesterday he said he would start contributing for real today, but all I see is this one post and then he's already going away until deadline. B) yomi doesn't try to defend Willz or sway the vote away from him, but he says some empty one-liners like "if I were you I'd reconsider lynching Willz", "I have the most confidence in Willz as town", stuff like that. To me, this looks like pure Mafia play. He knows Willz is town, so he leaves these remarks on his post history to look better later on. When Willz inevitably flips town, he can be "safe" tomorrow by claiming he knew Willz was innocent all along and vote for somebody who voted for Willz. Easy offence and defence in one tactic! C) His case on Dittert is pretty lackluster and, in my opinion, only a cover for avoiding attention for tomorrow. Dittert has been talked about to death already and yomi's case against him doesn't really bring anything new to the table. Still, he's a safe target for his noobie errors earlier and rather stubborn tunneling on Willz (which is not necessarily a Mafia tell IMO, because Mafia don't want to be the figureheads of mislynches). I think most share the opinion that Dittert is a noob townie who doesn't quite realize what he's doing. Focusing on him now isn't very productive in my eyes, especially since yomi merely repeats earlier accusations against him (plus some stuff about Willz's innocence only to improve his own credibility for tomorrow). I'm pretty confident about yomi being Mafia - reconsider voting for him after reading this post, Willz. If you voted for him, it would be 3 for yomi and 4 for you. I still see it as somehow possible to lynch yomi instead of you and I think it's the better solution. Lynching you isn't too bad either, since you had some pretty suspicious stuff (or if you flip town, your words will be noted tomorrow with more importance and we can study this bandwagon more closely) but I'm much more confident in lynching yomi than you right now. A & B: On April 14 2012 03:55 Xatalos wrote: yomi doesn't try to defend Willz or sway the vote away from him, but he says some empty one-liners like "if I were you I'd reconsider lynching Willz", "I have the most confidence in Willz as town", stuff like that This is an empty one-liner? fuck me... What do you want me to say? I am 100% sure willz is town. if you vote for him i am 100% sure you are mafia. is that not empty? wtf... I have avoided the willz debate? I have not defended him? This is a ridiculous accusation. I'm not going to back the guy 100% but I have stated my opinion. I think he's town. I was the first to say he's town. I still say he's town. I guess these are empty one-liners to you but I don't know what to say to that. You want me to take a more hardline stance but I can't. I think the guy is safe. Especially now in these closing hours it just seems more and more town to me. I'll never go 100% and why am I the only one who has to go 100% on a guy? When Willz inevitably flips town, he can be "safe" tomorrow by claiming he knew Willz was innocent all along and vote for somebody who voted for Willz. Easy offence and defence in one tactic! damed if I do, damned if I don't. If i am less fervent in my defense of willz I am not defending him. If I defend him and he flips town it is a clever mafia play. What would make you NOT suspicious of me? I have defended him more than you and am becoming increasingly uncomfortable pinning my reputation on one guy but you seem to want me to do that. You seem to already have a gambit in mind that based on this one flip you are ready to go-ahead with and even call for vigi action! How can you be so sure? I stand by my initial read of you that you are town, but a ridiculous one. A "dunce" I think I called you and now you are retaliating. C: Dittert has been talked to death because he is so suspicious. Maybe you don't think I caught anything new. I think I pointed out the "playing dumb" angle pretty well. I think most share the opinion that Dittert is a noob townie who doesn't quite realize what he's doing Exactly. I am trying to sway people that he is not a noob townie and DOES know what he's doing. That his posts are too ridiculous to believe. I don't know what you consider a solid case to be but it's all speculation so far. I think it's a good case, I think it makes as much sense as anyone else's and I think it's logical. No investigations have gone out. No one has flipped. No one has anything concrete on anything. I am posting what my intuition tells me. Who I suspect and who I don't. To pretend you are doing anything different is ridiculous. My arguments are as legitimate as yours. | ||
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