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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 11 2012 03:39 GMT
#87
/in if there's space
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 12 2012 14:21 GMT
#93
Why is this game so far in the yellow?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 13 2012 00:01 GMT
#129
Damn, this thread fills up fast.

I'll be on IRC some of the time, but since I'm on SC2 a lot these days I won't be as active as I usually am.

same name on IRC
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 13 2012 00:15 GMT
#131
Idea for IRC since it's being logged:

Don't make
posts like this
where you type individual clauses
at a time

But rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too ) at least make an attempt for this one.

That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 13 2012 01:38 GMT
#144
On February 13 2012 10:29 sinani206 wrote:
why do i always check tl an hour before the game starts and then not until 10 hours later...


Story of my life. I'll be back in the morning.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 00:29 GMT
#241
Damn guys... I've been busy. Give me a break.

I'll get on IRC once I finish my homework. About 30 minutes or so.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 00:52 GMT
#247
Prob why do you want those PM's so bad?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 00:53 GMT
#248
EBWOP Didn't see your post above mine.

Anyways, PM stands for <Private> Message. If prplhz wants to share, let him share, if not, bugger off.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 01:01 GMT
#253
On February 14 2012 09:56 Probulous wrote:
Because to me someone sending a PM to a guy who is playing his first game asking for his role without sending similar PM's to more experienced players is scummy as hell. It looks like he is trying to buddy up and influence the newbie.

A townie would send PM's to everyone or ask in the thread. Scum don't want to arose the suspicion of senior players so newbs are easy targets. That is why it bothers me. Now I know the evidence is thin at best which is why I am trying to find some more, no-one else is coming forward though so I have to keep believing he only sent one to SpiritClown. Well, why SpiritClown then? The only justification I can see is that he is a newb.

I am sure I am missing something but this is all I got. Help?


That's a shit argument.

The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 21:11 GMT
#291
Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him.

I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 21:13 GMT
#292
EBWOP: I hate pistachios. They're hard to eat and taste like stale crackers.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 22:05 GMT
#295
On February 15 2012 06:52 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinani signed on just as I signed off, so I didn't see him personally do anything supsicious in IRC... so I can't do anything about that. I'll wait for him to post, if I feel he's being explicitly scummy I'll add a vote on him.

I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.


I just think it's silly that people think he's scum solely because of what he's done in regards to asking roles. It just seems a bit overboard, no?


I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that.

I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 14 2012 23:07 GMT
#298
Here are my thoughts:

On February 15 2012 08:00 Probulous wrote:
I don't know what to think about sinani so I am going to propose a different candidate for lynch

zeurg

He is actively lurking and refusing to contribute.
Show nested quote +
[22:45:08] *** Joins: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
[23:14:23] <Mattchew> how long has zeurg been here
[23:14:46] <zeurg> I missed a yesterday so I've been catching up on reading and stuff
[23:15:06] <zeurg> Completely forgot about this

Note he was on IRC for just under half an hour before Mattchew mentioned his name. Then 23 seconds later he posts. He was reading the thread as he says but he was obviously reading IRC too. Anyway when pushed to contribute he says nothing.


This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time.


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[23:15:18] <Mattchew> zeurg you scum?
[23:15:26] <zeurg> no im a townie
[23:15:35] <zeurg> fo sho


Now it is nice to know he is apparently a townie but this is the last thing he says until
Show nested quote +
[00:42:04] *** Quits: zeurg (webchat@c-174-59-222-135.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: Page closed)

Nothing for 1.5 hrs and then he quits. This was in the middle of the prpl shitstorm and he says nothing.I even tried to get him to talk in a private channel. Unfortunately it isn't logged, sorry guys. But all I said was that he should start posting but I got no response.
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[00:43:53] <Probulous> PS, I have been trying to get zeurg to post through a private chat but no answer. As soon as I sent another post he left IRC. He is deliberately avoiding posing.


Now I know this is his first game but he is actively trying to avoid posting. He doesn't want to contribute and doesn't like being questioned. A townie would post when pushed, they should not be scared of making mistakes. I make them, even the great and mighty palmar makes them (though he may dispute it). Only mafia have a reason to try to avoid the spotlight in this manner.

Oh, my history has a lot of those.

I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 15 2012 15:41 GMT
#331
Paperscraps, I know that sarcasm can't be done on the internet properly because of lack of body language, intonation etc. but I thought it was pretty obvious that I was dicking around. Either way it doesn't warrant me being second most scum in the game.

Prplhz once said that since SpiritClown apologized for both deaths that he's on both scum teams. Are you going to use that in your analysis too?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 15 2012 21:14 GMT
#353
I'm more zeurg-centric right now. I don't like either him or Spirit at this moment for lurking, but zeurg takes it to the next level and actively avoids conversation/discussion.

It's plurality lynch anyway, so ##Vote: zeurg

Also where do I see the votes? If there is somewhere please post a link in OP
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 15 2012 21:28 GMT
#355
Right-o, sorry about that
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 16 2012 03:23 GMT
#391
Busy day today, swim practice and stayed late in school. I'll argue my defense tomorrow either during programming class or when I get home.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 16 2012 18:34 GMT
#448
Okay... froggy, I was going to answer to my defense.

Then I see this as evidence against me.

On February 16 2012 21:59 froggynoddy wrote:
2. [UoN]Sentinel

Claiming to be scum seems like a stupid move, both as scum and as townie. Its probably a slightly stupider move as scum as he was talking to someone who seems to be regarded as townier than most... thats a thin defence though.

Show nested quote +
[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro?
[01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no
[01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum
[01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k
[01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight




Why is first Paper and now you voting me for the simple fact that I used sarcasm? Did Paperscraps die? Did Ciryandor say that somewhere and I missed it?

Oh jeez, I must be scum, I used sarcasm... on the internet! That is punishable by death through lynching! /sarcasm so you don't go around thinking I'm confessing again.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 16 2012 18:36 GMT
#449
EBWOP: I'm for double lynch as well.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 16 2012 20:48 GMT
#451
On February 16 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
Sentinel


His first major contribution to the thread was in regards to my request for Prpl’s PMs. Here he writes
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 10:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The whole point of PM's is to gain trust. Now I just got here and I will NOT read 10 pages of argumentative text because I just did that for history class, but if I were prplhz I'd be PM'ing noobs to see if they give anything away, or they play legitimately. Experienced people can hide their true intonations.

This rang scummy to me. This is basically stating you support fishing for information from newbs. I have made it clear that I don’t like it (others clearly disagree), but this caught my eye.


If I were scum, I'd do my best to deny PMing them in the first place. Now prp was saying "I'm not revealing any other names", but IIRC he didn't even make the slightest attempt of discrediting SpiritClown.


Then he goes and says this
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I will say though that Lanaia and prplhz were pretty much united through the last IRC log. If one of them flips scum, I can almost guarantee that that's the wolfpack... and with Sinani being cloudy between that exchange and the time I signed on, I have him in my sights too.

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On February 15 2012 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm not saying he's scum because of that. In fact I even told him that he was in the right for doing that. I'm saying if either of you flip scum, the other probably is too.


This is really bad logic. Just because Lanaia defends Prpl’s actions does not mean they are on the same team. Sure it would make Lanaia look scummy if Prpl flipped red but here he says he would straight up vote for her. He would lynch her based off a prpl flip.

He takes up the argument in IRC

Show nested quote +
[22:27:05] <[UoN]Sentinel> if prplhz was struck down right this moment
[22:27:08] <[UoN]Sentinel> and flipped scum
[22:27:14] <[UoN]Sentinel> my vote would immediately go to lanaia
[22:27:18] <[UoN]Sentinel> and vice versa
[22:28:17] <[UoN]Sentinel> because they defend each other

Prpl never defended Lanaia, when asked he says
Show nested quote +
[22:30:19] <[UoN]Sentinel> right before sinani started talking about the pistachios

The only thing that Prpl mentions about Lanaia is
Show nested quote +
[00:41:46] <derpladee> you guys are morons lol
[00:41:53] <derpladee> like every single one of you except Lanaia here

Which is hardly defending given no-one was attacking Lanaia.

Sentinel has made a concerted effort to link Lanaia and prpl such that one’s alignment will confirm the other.

And retracted it that same day... weren't you in IRC when I said "I give up?" I mean it's still scummy, I'll admit that, but I've made decisions like this on less evidence. Like when I voted risk.nuke in Hammer Mafia.

There was more, but that wouldn't support your "concerted argument for nothing" argument now, would it?


Then he goes and undermines my case against zeurg right after I posted it. A vote for someone is worth nothing if you give them an ready made excuse not to reply. This is what Sentinel writes
Show nested quote +
This unsupported wouldn't be a strong case. I probably do something like that all the time...I'm going to cut off there. I'm still thinking that if it's zeurg's first time he could just be blue and scared of revealing this. I'll put FoS on him and cut him a little break because he's new, but I too expect to hear from him.


Read the last eight words I wrote in that quote and you'll see why you are wrong.


Sentinel supports fishing for information from newbs, tried really hard to link a Prpl flip with Lanaia and actively undermined my efforts to get zeurg to post.

"Tried really hard" you give me way too much credit. I logged onto IRC, played with the idea for a few minutes, gave up when I got called out by both of them, and end of story.

As for undermining your efforts, sometimes just because you think someone is scum... doesn't mean they're actually scum! Because there's an explanation for almost everything that can point to them being a townie, and mislynching won't do jackshit. Once he gets modkilled we'll see.


##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

Sorry bro as much fun as you are, you rolled mafia this game.

PS: This is irrelevant to the case so it is in spoilers but I had a giggle
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2012 09:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Idea for IRC since it's being logged:

Don't make
posts like this
where you type individual clauses
at a time


But rather talk like this, preferably in 1 sentence or more. Even if you're not used to it (I always type in fragments too ) at least make an attempt for this one.

That way it's easier to scroll through and find whatever post you're looking for.



Bahahahaha I'm a hypocrite.
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