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Hi all!
This might be a little controversial but this is just some interesting /fun facts I looked up at http://sc2earnings.com/. Also if there is already a topic about this I apologies.
So there is no secret that Idra and Huk is representing a large part of the total wins of NA SC2 players. So I checked if the 2 of them had won more than the rest of the top 50 NA players combined (top being the number 3 to 50 highest by prize money wins). Turned out they have not, although it is actually not that far away.
This made me look a little more into the figures and I think they show well what NA:s "problem" is in the SC2 scene.
Top 2 EU and NA:
Huk + Idra = 110465$
Stephano + Naniwa = 140130$
Fairly even here, Stephanos back to back win with IPL3 and ESCW which earned him 68000$ makes EU take home this one.
If you expand this to top 3 EU and NA you get
NA = 132125$ (+Fenix)
EU = 184750$ (+White-ra)
Already here we can see that EU is starting to gain more lead compared to the top 2 comparison. The major difference is however in the players below top 3.
NA top earner 4-50: 144410$
EU top earner 4-50: 590350$
EU has 4-50 has more then 4 times the total prize earning compared to 4-50 in NA. Why this is I can only speculate but for some reason is EU and NA equal at the very top but for every step down the differences between the 2 scenes widens.
Think this has been obvious for most people watching SC2, but still thought I would be interesting to see how well the figures support this general claim.
Finally here is some perspective regarding the EU and NA differences ^^
Total wins by top 50 NA + top 50 EU SC2 players: 1051585$
Total wins by top 10 Koreans: 1450700$ 
Edit: This is only prize money earnings
Edit 2: Should probably have mentioned that it is actually America and not NA to be exact. So you have players like Killer and Fenix in there to.
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Haha interesting read! thx for this
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Thats not a lot. Did you count salaries and sponsers?
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We're just so rich we throw money at them like nothing
edit : its funny the EU total figures is like a little more than what Flash makes in a year
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That's interesting. More tournaments. ESL, Playhem and all those german/russian and small-language-tournaments (like danish) will generate alot of this. Just small cups with like 150€ prize/day will quickly add up, when all the pros can basicly make it every day just as a part of their online practice.
I think it's more a question of tournaments than anything else.
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Is this only in winnings or also sponsor money?
I'm going to guess this is only winnings. Which isn't that weird then tbh. Europe has a ton more smaller tournaments in which you can rank up a lot of cash across.
Koreans doesn't have that. In return they have GSL. The "top 10 korean players" are pretty much the GSL winners.
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i honestly think if you add in the salary of each player the numbers will be fairly even. At least i imagine top NA teams to pay their players way more than european teams
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On February 01 2012 21:38 llKenZyll wrote:
Thats not a lot. Did you count salaries and sponsers?
That's impossible to count, considering most details are secret.
But I do agree, salaries and sponsors do play a major role in the financial stability of professional gamers.
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Intressting information, I think its part due to all the small online cups in Europe and the fact that there are way more good players in Europe.
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On February 01 2012 21:38 llKenZyll wrote:
Thats not a lot. Did you count salaries and sponsers?
Yeah because those stuff are public knowledge....
No he didn't.
Interesting...
Although i would expect US players to actually make more money from sponsors/streams etc...dunno. Even though i am from eu, i feel a lot closer connected to them.
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Very interesting facts to know thanks
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On February 01 2012 21:40 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i honestly think if you add in the salary of each player the numbers will be fairly even. At least i imagine top NA teams to pay their players way more than european teams
That's not the point of the thread... Salaries are a largely private figure, so noone would ever be able to calculate it accurately.
The point of this thread is to show that there is a LOT more money in EU for the _AVERAGE_ pro-gamer... not just the top-tier of pro making salary anyways.
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I suspect that a lot of these statistics also hinge on that fact that the European tournament scene is a lot more active.
For every daily event in NA, EU has 2, and 500 euro weekly and monthly events are incredible common here, and these tourneys are almost exclusively played in, and thus won by Europeans.
Comparatively, the US has more "huge" events, but those are so seldom won my North Americans, and thus, don't really do much to help NA earnings.
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so europe has more top players than na? not a surprise at all, has been like that in almost every pc game, rts fps or whatever, na on the other hand has much more console players(halo cod etc..) and fighting game players.
Also that money is worth more in some parts of europe. the living costs in eastern europe are much cheaper than in west/central/northern europe which is very similar to the us. thats why so many great players come from the ukraine for example, one of the poorest countries in europe
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Im not too surprised by this.
Im not sure why, but the NA scene seems to have their big dogs (MLG, IPL, NASL), and then pretty much nothing else. EU on the other hand seems to have an absolutely massive amount of weekly cups, several tournies in the 1000-5000$ range, while also several midsize tournies (usually LANs at various places around Europe) with like 5000-15000ish prize pools.
So the question goes both ways.
How come EU cant muster more than DH (and maybe ASUS ROG should be included too) in terms of really big sized tournaments?
And how come the NA scene seems extremely lacking beyond the few big guns?
Would be cool to hear someone more well informed share their thoughts about this.
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Earnings imbalance? Occupy Starcraft imo.
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EU has way, way more small tournaments than NA does. So fewer mid level NA players have the opportunity to earn prize money. Even MLG, which is our biggest, had the prize pool of a small tournament last year.
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On February 01 2012 21:46 isleyofthenorth wrote:
so europe has more top players than na? not a surprise at all, has been like that in almost every pc game, rts fps or whatever, na on the other hand has much more console players(halo cod etc..) and fighting game players.
Also that money is worth more in some parts of europe. the living costs in eastern europe are much cheaper than in west/central/northern europe which is very similar to the us. thats why so many great players come from the ukraine for example, one of the poorest countries in europe
That last argument is terrible. Sweden has the best pro lineup of all of Europe while being one of the more expensive countries to live in.
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There's no excuse for this. It's obvious EU has way wider high skill playerpool over NA. Same way as KR beats EU. Where NA may have 15 top players, EU has 50, KR has 200. Numbers straight from my ass, but giving sort of realistic picture imo. If there were more daily/weekly/monthly cups for NA, I'm sure more EU players striked at them too. It's not like the lag is bad at least, and many pros wouldn't mind about timezones either if it seemed like easy money.
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On February 01 2012 21:40 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i honestly think if you add in the salary of each player the numbers will be fairly even. At least i imagine top NA teams to pay their players way more than european teams
It might be true for Idra an Huk, but there other ones...i dunno. NA players who are in EU team must be paid the same than EU players with the same level.
The big black box is NA teams (Light, Reign, EG, CoL, i definitly forgot many of them). I've no idea how much money their player from NA (who are very good, of course, but not the bests ones atm) who are the 4-50, are paid.
What defines if you're right or not, it's these 4-50 salaries. And i have no clue.
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