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SC2 earnings: EUvsNA - Page 3
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:13 isleyofthenorth wrote: cant you enter eu cups? the lag and timezones(early afternoon) cant be THAT bad. well alot of the cups start at around 7-8am my time and the lag is pretty bad(the tolerance level to lag varies from player to player, i personally cant stand it but i still force myself to practice on eu from time to time), i usually just play in invitationals/tl weeklys, i think the only online cups that ive recently played in were the call4kings tournament + 2 gss(grubbys tour) + the tl weeklys(assuming we dont count the iem qualis as an online tournament) i dont keep count of how active the other na players are in online cups but id assume their activity level is somewhat similar to mine, that reason alone is obv going to make for a huge disproportion if ur trying to compare eu vs na winnings, that being said eu players are much better than na player anyways  | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:14 MrBitter wrote: No one's stopping you from playing in our online cups, Payam  Agree. Polt might not be the best exemple, because he can compensate the lag with his awesome builds and game sens, but he plays from Korea to EU servers. I think it's a bit hard for cup like sunday's GO4SC2 (start a 2:00 PM, very early in the morning for NA players, even from east coast), but yes, there are many cups in EU that NA players can play, with a "decent" lag. And i'm sure that viewers from both side of Atlantic would like to see more NA players in theses cups. | ||
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:06 iMAniaC wrote: One could also take into account the populations: USA + Canada ≈ 350M inhabitants EU + Russia + Ukraine ≈ 700M inhabitants South Korea ≈ 50M inhabitants Winnings per inhabitants, top 4-50 for Europe and America and top 10 for SK: USA + Canada ≈ 4,1e-4 EU+ Russia + Ukraine ≈ 8,4e-4 South Korea = 290e-4 So per inhabitant, Europeans are winning twice as much as Americans and South Koreans are winning 70 times more as Americans and 35 times more than Europeans. It's a very rough overview and I'm not sure it actually tells us anything, but that's the numbers, anyway. would be interesting to know the winnings per capita ratio between american and canadian players, dunno why ud bunch us together.. usa has like 300 million + inhabitants while canada has like 35million | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On February 01 2012 21:45 MrBitter wrote: I suspect that a lot of these statistics also hinge on that fact that the European tournament scene is a lot more active. For every daily event in NA, EU has 2, and 500 euro weekly and monthly events are incredible common here, and these tourneys are almost exclusively played in, and thus won by Europeans. Comparatively, the US has more "huge" events, but those are so seldom won my North Americans, and thus, don't really do much to help NA earnings. Pretty much this explains the difference. | ||
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:14 MrBitter wrote: No one's stopping you from playing in our online cups, Payam what weekly cups do na players have tho? we only have playhems ;p | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:14 MrBitter wrote: No one's stopping you from playing in our online cups, Payam Yeah, I've never understood why we don't get more "serious" NA progamers in EU tournaments... (I understand the players that are also students not wanting to wake up at 4-5 am on a school day when they would also miss morning classes). On February 01 2012 22:30 mTwTT1 wrote: what weekly cups do na players have tho? we only have playhems ;p It takes $60 or a call to blizzard to get an EU account... | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
This is no news, all data show the same result ^^ | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
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Thobrik
Sweden1120 Posts
If you just have a small sample size (top 3 players) the findings may fluctuate a lot, whereas if you have a large sample size (50+) you're more likely to get an accurate result, assuming that: a) an average US player is equally good as an average EU player b) there are more EU players than NA players. Can somebody explain if I'm missing something here? | ||
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Longshank
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pzu
Sweden287 Posts
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:35 Longshank wrote: I believe that the 'competitive practice' people get in these tournaments is the reason why there appears to be more high level players in EU. NA seems to be more about show matches, player streams and big events. yup and thats why na players are starting to lag behind the eu/korean scene, the immense popularity of online cups within the eu scene is the main reason why their improving at a much faster rate than na players | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On February 01 2012 21:46 Kreb wrote: Im not too surprised by this. Im not sure why, but the NA scene seems to have their big dogs (MLG, IPL, NASL), and then pretty much nothing else. EU on the other hand seems to have an absolutely massive amount of weekly cups, several tournies in the 1000-5000$ range, while also several midsize tournies (usually LANs at various places around Europe) with like 5000-15000ish prize pools. So the question goes both ways. How come EU cant muster more than DH (and maybe ASUS ROG should be included too) in terms of really big sized tournaments? And how come the NA scene seems extremely lacking beyond the few big guns? Would be cool to hear someone more well informed share their thoughts about this. I can't speak for Canada or Mexico but we have a culture where we don't give much respect for minor leagues in any competition. You must bring an A level tournament format or GTHO. I would even posit that if there was a way to track viewing habits of Europeans and Americans you would see a lot more Americans who watch GSL and little of their own scene than Europeans with this tendency. But how could we gather this data? | ||
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MentalGNT
Denmark1264 Posts
And there's the fact that EU simply has more players capable of winning tournaments. NA has a few who are REALLY good, but there are more "mid-tier" pros in the EU scene. + You don't consider salary. I would imagine that some American teams pay their players quite well. | ||
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
Think it`s a mixture of everything; General higher skill-level, more tournaments, more players, more publicity and more community involved people. Korea still holding it down by a HUGE fucking margin, still with only the gsl and recently KSL and various in-house tournaments. Abit of a surprise even considering their koreans. If korea had anywhere near the amount of competition(half), it would be nuts. Take GM Korea and u got the talent pool of EU, NA, SEA and whatnot combined. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:30 mTwTT1 wrote: what weekly cups do na players have tho? we only have playhems ;p I meant the EU cups, mate. The Zotacs and the Go4SC2s. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10801 Posts
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