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TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 01 2012 15:09 GMT
#81
It'd be cool if you could include salaries.
It would even out the top 2 NA-EU difference.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
February 01 2012 15:12 GMT
#82
On February 01 2012 23:26 leandroqm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 23:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:21 leandroqm wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:05 mTwTT1 wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:56 MrBitter wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:30 mTwTT1 wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:14 MrBitter wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:12 mTwTT1 wrote:
alot of the eu players have won like 40-50% of their winnings from online cups TT, na has shitty online cups compared to the eu scene.. since the release of the game ive played in like 3-4 online cups max


No one's stopping you from playing in our online cups, Payam


what weekly cups do na players have tho? we only have playhems ;p


I meant the EU cups, mate. The Zotacs and the Go4SC2s.


i cant even motivate myself to practice on the na ladder because it feels like blizzard has us locked up in a jail cell, do u srsly expect me to wake up at 7am to play in a cup with 200ms lag?


You mean like Koreans do for most cups they're invited to?
Yes, I do!


those are invitationals that have huge prizepools ^^, im talking about weekly cups : ]


Sure, but they play it because they think they can win.
It is a bet.
Don't you think you can win any online cups held on the eu server?
I think you could


would be a cool thing to try but i dont think he would make it....

lately more players are moving away from online cups though (go4sc2 at least)




MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
February 01 2012 15:12 GMT
#83
On February 02 2012 00:09 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 23:54 karpo wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:47 kinglemon wrote:
On February 01 2012 21:40 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i honestly think if you add in the salary of each player the numbers will be fairly even. At least i imagine top NA teams to pay their players way more than european teams


you honestly think that americans earn 400k more salary than europeans ?
dream on.

If you consider the rumors that huk's salary was supposed to be 100k+ it's not impossible. I'm pretty sure Idra and InControl have decent salaries too. 400k total might be too much though.


100k$, 80k€ per a year? It's the salary of an french experimented Actuary (a man who creates financial products in banks) for exemple. His work products millions...

Not a chance this rumor can be true :D

If it was true, it would mean that EG's boss is very rich and very mad.


Yeah that's crazy, huk is not bad but I don't think he could be paid more per year than an engineer for example.
tekos44
Profile Joined June 2011
France280 Posts
February 01 2012 15:13 GMT
#84
On February 02 2012 00:09 TheTurk wrote:
It'd be cool if you could include salaries.
It would even out the top 2 NA-EU difference.


Noone has any idea of any of their salaries
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:14:14
February 01 2012 15:13 GMT
#85
On February 02 2012 00:09 TheTurk wrote:
It'd be cool if you could include salaries.
It would even out the top 2 NA-EU difference.


you think so?

i mean nani is on quantic with only sase as another player with high salary and for stephano i think he gets a lot after that whole col vs milennium thing
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:16:51
February 01 2012 15:14 GMT
#86
On February 01 2012 23:25 Twistacles wrote:
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On February 01 2012 23:22 aScaris wrote:
On February 01 2012 22:30 mTwTT1 wrote:
what weekly cups do na players have tho? we only have playhems ;p


There is a ZOTAC cup every saturday as well (http://sc2na.zotac-cup.com/)! It is played under the same conditions as the EU cup, but there are much less players competing in it... I don't know why, but NA players don't seem to want to play in weekly cups :/

Maybe more people work on weekends in NA? I know I haven't been able to enter a cup in a year(Team liquid cup, Zotac, etc) due to working the weekend



but people who play sc2 as their job. look at the "top" NA players, any of the 100 or so people who play sc2 as their job, almost none care about these weekend cups. only a few people i can think of such as axslav or similar seem to play in them often, the other players just dont seem to give 2 shits.

where as almost every "top" eu player is playing in these cups, every week or so you can watch the biggest names from europe playing for $100.

the pure numbers side doesnt really matter, maybe theres 1000s of casual euro players in these things, but when you look at who plays in the top 128 or so of these things the euro side is 100 times better.

when the european pro's talk about these cups they say its a great way to get real BoX practice against other big names, that kinda thing really helps. but all the americans seem to think about them is "hurr ladder heroes dont mean anything" or similar. i dont want to be too harsh on american players because im sure there are exceptions to what ive seen but at the same time it really feels like americans like to 'save' themselves for only playing in the big leages, like they feel they are too important or whatever, when getting knocked out in ro32 every invite is hardly god tier status.


On February 02 2012 00:09 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 23:54 karpo wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:47 kinglemon wrote:
On February 01 2012 21:40 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i honestly think if you add in the salary of each player the numbers will be fairly even. At least i imagine top NA teams to pay their players way more than european teams


you honestly think that americans earn 400k more salary than europeans ?
dream on.

If you consider the rumors that huk's salary was supposed to be 100k+ it's not impossible. I'm pretty sure Idra and InControl have decent salaries too. 400k total might be too much though.


100k$, 80k€ per a year? It's the salary of an french experimented Actuary (a man who creates financial products in banks) for exemple. His work products millions...

Not a chance this rumor can be true :D

If it was true, it would mean that EG's boss is very rich and very mad.



the number being thrown around at the time was "5 figures" which people seem to see as 100k+ but 5 figures is 10k-99k. it was supposed "life changing" too. so i think we are looking at around the 50-60k mark. but you wont get anything more reliable than a guess.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
February 01 2012 15:15 GMT
#87
On February 02 2012 00:12 NeonFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 00:09 Agathon wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:54 karpo wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:47 kinglemon wrote:
On February 01 2012 21:40 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i honestly think if you add in the salary of each player the numbers will be fairly even. At least i imagine top NA teams to pay their players way more than european teams


you honestly think that americans earn 400k more salary than europeans ?
dream on.

If you consider the rumors that huk's salary was supposed to be 100k+ it's not impossible. I'm pretty sure Idra and InControl have decent salaries too. 400k total might be too much though.


100k$, 80k€ per a year? It's the salary of an french experimented Actuary (a man who creates financial products in banks) for exemple. His work products millions...

Not a chance this rumor can be true :D

If it was true, it would mean that EG's boss is very rich and very mad.


Yeah that's crazy, huk is not bad but I don't think he could be paid more per year than an engineer for example.


Yeah, something like 25k is credible. 30k max.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 01 2012 15:16 GMT
#88
Not very surprising results really
Nifiel
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden54 Posts
February 01 2012 15:18 GMT
#89
On February 01 2012 22:45 mutantmagnet wrote:
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On February 01 2012 21:46 Kreb wrote:
Im not too surprised by this.

Im not sure why, but the NA scene seems to have their big dogs (MLG, IPL, NASL), and then pretty much nothing else. EU on the other hand seems to have an absolutely massive amount of weekly cups, several tournies in the 1000-5000$ range, while also several midsize tournies (usually LANs at various places around Europe) with like 5000-15000ish prize pools.

So the question goes both ways.
How come EU cant muster more than DH (and maybe ASUS ROG should be included too) in terms of really big sized tournaments?
And how come the NA scene seems extremely lacking beyond the few big guns?

Would be cool to hear someone more well informed share their thoughts about this.



I can't speak for Canada or Mexico but we have a culture where we don't give much respect for minor leagues in any competition. You must bring an A level tournament format or GTHO.

I would even posit that if there was a way to track viewing habits of Europeans and Americans you would see a lot more Americans who watch GSL and little of their own scene than Europeans with this tendency.

But how could we gather this data?


Here are the only statistics GOm released that I know of: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/

There could some truth to what you were saying, atleast the countries in eastern europe does not seem to be so interested in GSL
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6248 Posts
February 01 2012 15:20 GMT
#90
On February 02 2012 00:02 0kz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 23:49 Stress wrote:
On February 01 2012 23:26 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On February 01 2012 21:39 Boonbag wrote:
We're just so rich we throw money at them like nothing

edit : its funny the EU total figures is like a little more than what Flash makes in a year

Source? I know it's on TL somewhere, I just don't know where Flash's yearly earnings is posted.


I believe Flash stated in an interview once(or hinted at it) that his salary is around 200k, not including prize winnings. Don't hold me for my word on that though.



is here


That's old he signed a new contract after that, iirc the salary could go up to 400k if he got all his bonusses.
Dimon87
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden218 Posts
February 01 2012 15:20 GMT
#91
I expected EU to be ahead but not by this much! Interesting read.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:21:49
February 01 2012 15:20 GMT
#92
On February 02 2012 00:13 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 00:09 TheTurk wrote:
It'd be cool if you could include salaries.
It would even out the top 2 NA-EU difference.


you think so?

i mean nani is on quantic with only sase as another player with high salary and for stephano i think he gets a lot after that whole col vs milennium thing


I've no source, because it was on a stream, but as i heard, it's "few hundred € above the french minimum salary for a full time job", so few (1? 5? 10? no clue) hundred above 1100 € per month. In addition, he gets Money from Millenium TV when he streams on it, and of course, from his own stream on Twitch (dunno how much tho).
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
February 01 2012 15:24 GMT
#93
well if you look at how most NA tournaments are crowded with koreans, where as european tournaments actually have fewer koreans, the koreans end up taking most of the NA tournament cash home.
The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal
tekos44
Profile Joined June 2011
France280 Posts
February 01 2012 15:27 GMT
#94
On February 02 2012 00:20 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 00:13 sVnteen wrote:
On February 02 2012 00:09 TheTurk wrote:
It'd be cool if you could include salaries.
It would even out the top 2 NA-EU difference.


you think so?

i mean nani is on quantic with only sase as another player with high salary and for stephano i think he gets a lot after that whole col vs milennium thing


I've no source, because it was on a stream, but as i heard, it's "few hundred € above the french minimum salary for a full time job", so few (1? 5? 10? no clue) hundred above 1100 € per month. In addition, he gets Money from Millenium TV when he streams on it, and of course, from his own stream on Twitch (dunno how much tho).


now the big question is to know if these ~1500€ are before or after taxes
KenChan
Profile Joined January 2012
54 Posts
February 01 2012 15:31 GMT
#95
On February 01 2012 22:06 iMAniaC wrote:
One could also take into account the populations:

USA + Canada ≈ 350M inhabitants
EU + Russia + Ukraine ≈ 700M inhabitants
South Korea ≈ 50M inhabitants

Winnings per inhabitants, top 4-50 for Europe and America and top 10 for SK:
USA + Canada ≈ 4,1e-4
EU+ Russia + Ukraine ≈ 8,4e-4
South Korea = 290e-4

So per inhabitant, Europeans are winning twice as much as Americans and South Koreans are winning 70 times more as Americans and 35 times more than Europeans.

It's a very rough overview and I'm not sure it actually tells us anything, but that's the numbers, anyway.

How is this relevant?SC2 players pool mb,but still not that important, seeing how the op takes the very top of each group.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
February 01 2012 15:31 GMT
#96
I know that TT1 and a small minority of NA players were paid considerable salary, however the vast majority of low tier NA pros get paid zero salary.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10801 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:34:24
February 01 2012 15:32 GMT
#97
Because their resulsts hardly allow it to call them "pros".

Everytime i hear something about some NA pro i ask myself:
Would anyone really look after this guy if he was Polish or Ukranian? Most of the times the answer is "No, at least not really."... Yet on NA these guys seem to be small "stars"...
Sleed
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada181 Posts
February 01 2012 15:32 GMT
#98
On February 01 2012 21:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 21:38 llKenZyll wrote:
Thats not a lot. Did you count salaries and sponsers?


That's impossible to count, considering most details are secret.
But I do agree, salaries and sponsors do play a major role in the financial stability of professional gamers.


The aim here is to compare tournaments results by earnings, so salaries have nothing to with it.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 01 2012 15:33 GMT
#99
On February 02 2012 00:27 tekos44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 00:20 Agathon wrote:
On February 02 2012 00:13 sVnteen wrote:
On February 02 2012 00:09 TheTurk wrote:
It'd be cool if you could include salaries.
It would even out the top 2 NA-EU difference.


you think so?

i mean nani is on quantic with only sase as another player with high salary and for stephano i think he gets a lot after that whole col vs milennium thing


I've no source, because it was on a stream, but as i heard, it's "few hundred € above the french minimum salary for a full time job", so few (1? 5? 10? no clue) hundred above 1100 € per month. In addition, he gets Money from Millenium TV when he streams on it, and of course, from his own stream on Twitch (dunno how much tho).


now the big question is to know if these ~1500€ are before or after taxes


if they're not stupid taxes should not be higher than 10%.
Zest fanboy.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
February 01 2012 15:34 GMT
#100
On February 02 2012 00:32 Velr wrote:
Because their resulsts hardly allow it to call them "pros".

Fewer tournaments will always equate to fewer results. 90% of the EU pros wouldn't produce any 'results' at mlgs either.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
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