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On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something
Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this.
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On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this.
Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format
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On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format
A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance.
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On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance.
I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio
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On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio
Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team.
EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players.
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SeleCT is more korean than anything. Top 5 EU would be something like Naniwa, Kas, SaSe, Stephano, Nerchio/DIMAGA/ThorZaIN/Ret... and then we still have players like MaNa, DIMAGA, BratOK, Strelok, Happy, WhiteRa, SjoW, Titan, Beastyqt.... EU has like 5x the amount of top tier players NA has. And the top 5 is also stronger than NA's top 5 imo. I'd even say just Sweden or Ukraine would be closer than NA vs EU.
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On February 14 2012 02:45 Kaitokid wrote:
SeleCT is more korean than anything. Top 5 EU would be something like Naniwa, Kas, SaSe, Stephano, Nerchio/DIMAGA/ThorZaIN/Ret... and then we still have players like MaNa, DIMAGA, BratOK, Strelok, Happy, WhiteRa, SjoW, Titan, Beastyqt.... EU has like 5x the amount of top tier players NA has. And the top 5 is also stronger than NA's top 5 imo. I'd even say just Sweden or Ukraine would be closer than NA vs EU.
Select is considered by most people to be a foreign player and has represented the USA at many events. He's American in the same way Podolski and Klose play for Germany.
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On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players.
Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better.
Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/
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oh come on, you can not seriously have that childish discussion.
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On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/
You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted.
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On February 14 2012 03:20 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/ You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted.
Not a singe chance. Case closed.
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On February 14 2012 03:30 demitap wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:20 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/ You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted. Not a singe chance. Case closed.
Huk, Idra, Select and Sheth are more than capable of beating any European player without it even being an upset.
Huk is the most successfull and best foreigner of all time and Idra is the 3rd most successful.
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On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance.
What? Is this tournament The World vs Europe? You're claiming you're making an "NA" team but you're adding in Major (south american) and Select (korean).
Either way- Sweden alone with its 9mil population would smash this.
NaNiWa
ThorZaIN
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MorroW
SjoW
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On February 14 2012 03:20 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/ You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted.
The difference isn't that huge between top tier players. There's ALWAYS a pretty good chance. Even the very best players lose 30% of the time or something like that They'd stand a chance against top 5 korean team as well. They'd probably lose and they'd probably lose vs the top 5 eu players as well I think. Obviously they'd have a much better chance against europeans than against top 5 koreans though.
Maybe it's bias that's talking but I do think eu has a slightly better top 5 lineup in comparison to na and if you go further, like top 20 the disparity grows bigger.
But korea owns everyone, in both quanitity and quality.
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On February 14 2012 03:36 NewK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. What? Is this tournament The World vs Europe? You're claiming you're making an "NA" team but you're adding in Major (south american) and Select (korean). Either way- Sweden alone with its 9mil population would smash this. NaNiWa ThorZaIN SaSe MorroW SjoW
Mexico is part of North America plus Major I believe is a US citizen anyway even if it's not his country of birth.
Select represents the USA at tournaments, therefore he qualifies as American just like countless football players do not play for their country of birth.
Your Sweden team is not far better than an NA team. All of my NA players could absolute beat any of those Swedish players.
We're not talking a lineup of MMA, MVP, MC, DRG and Nestea here.
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On February 14 2012 03:38 softan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:20 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/ You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted. The difference isn't that huge between top tier players. There's ALWAYS a pretty good chance. Even the very best players lose 30% of the time or something like that They'd stand a chance against top 5 korean team as well. They'd probably lose and they'd probably lose vs the top 5 eu players as well I think. Obviously they'd have a much better chance against europeans than against top 5 koreans though. Maybe it's bias that's talking but I do think eu has a slightly better top 5 lineup in comparison to na and if you go further, like top 20 the disparity grows bigger. But korea owns everyone, in both quanitity and quality.
If the Korean lineup was MMA, MVP, MC, DRG and Nestea I really struggle to see anything beating that with a better than 1 in 20 ratio.
The EU top 5 is probably marginally better (because Idra and Huk are in poor form and NA lacks a 5th player) but NA could easily won comfortably on a good day.
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On February 14 2012 03:43 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:38 softan wrote:On February 14 2012 03:20 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/ You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted. The difference isn't that huge between top tier players. There's ALWAYS a pretty good chance. Even the very best players lose 30% of the time or something like that They'd stand a chance against top 5 korean team as well. They'd probably lose and they'd probably lose vs the top 5 eu players as well I think. Obviously they'd have a much better chance against europeans than against top 5 koreans though. Maybe it's bias that's talking but I do think eu has a slightly better top 5 lineup in comparison to na and if you go further, like top 20 the disparity grows bigger. But korea owns everyone, in both quanitity and quality. If the Korean lineup was MMA, MVP, MC, DRG and Nestea I really struggle to see anything beating that with a better than 1 in 20 ratio. The EU top 5 is probably marginally better (because Idra and Huk are in poor form and NA lacks a 5th player) but NA could easily won comfortably on a good day.
I still think Idra and Huk are better than sheth and kiwikaki despite their poor form. I'm having real trouble seeing your na team beating EU. You lack a 4th and a 5th player.
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EU has more weekly cups and major offline tournaments than the US. I think that's the main reason. Also the EU ladder is more competetive which results in a deeper player pool in general.
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On February 14 2012 03:34 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:30 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 03:20 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 03:08 demitap wrote:On February 14 2012 02:38 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 02:21 Frankon wrote:On February 14 2012 01:54 Seraphone wrote:On February 14 2012 01:21 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:On February 14 2012 01:15 Seraphone wrote:On February 13 2012 22:51 raser wrote:
would be fun with another EU vs NA showmatch like we had a year ago or something Depending on the format NA could absolutely win this. Why do you think that? :p Pretty sure Eu would close that tourney no matter the format A team of Huk, Idra, Select, Sheth and Kiwikaki (or maybe Major) is capable of beating any EU 5 man team in a Pro League or Winners League format. Europe could definitely win as well but NA would have a good chance. I'll raise you Kas, Stephano, White-RA, Ret, MaNa and the sub bench of Thorzain, Morrow, Beasty, Happy, Grubby and especially for Select - Goody, Nerchio Depth is worthless, you only need five players and the five I picked for NA could compete with any EU team. EU has a lot more good players but the best NA players are as good as any EU players. Not really, just try thinking deeper and you'll realize that EU has way more talented players, just check any team leagues or other cups, and you'll realize that eu players are better. Yeah NA has palyers like HuK(doing terrible lately) and Select but what else? Desrow? Destiny? while EU has Stephano who would take any of NA players easily, Kas, Naniwa, DIMAGA, Thorzain, Ret and lost of players who could beat any of NA top's/ You should consider reading sometime. I fully agree that EU has more good players, but in an NA vs EU showmatch using any format currently used by IPL, GSTL, NASTL or EG Masters etc.. then NA has a good chance of winning. Which is the point of the post I originally quoted. Not a singe chance. Case closed. Huk, Idra, Select and Sheth are more than capable of beating any European player without it even being an upset. Huk is the most successfull and best foreigner of all time and Idra is the 3rd most successful.
HuK? IdrA? IdrA is far from top europiend level, even tho he plays sc2 full time, and huk? huk was good, now he is realy jus a mediocre, i cant remember what tournament it was, but he even didnt made it out of group stage with only europeans and na wihout koreans, sheth is quite good, select might take game of someone, if it would be 4 top europeans against your 4 top NA you mentioned that i think results would be somethink like 4-1 if select would win and 4-2 if sheth would win also.
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