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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:27 tekos44 wrote: now the big question is to know if these ~1500€ are before or after taxes  I can't believe your french and don't know that 1100 € is the after taxes value. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10702 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:34 goswser wrote: Fewer tournaments will always equate to fewer results. 90% of the EU pros wouldn't produce any 'results' at mlgs either. Many of the euros that went actually did pretty decent.. At least compared to avg. NA pro... Go check it  . | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:35 Velr wrote: Many of the euros that went actually did pretty decent.. At least compared to avg. NA pro... Go check it .Many of the top 10% of euros you mean....I don't mean Morrow or Whitera, I mean BabyKnight, Syz would likely not do nearly as well. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:27 tekos44 wrote: now the big question is to know if these ~1500€ are before or after taxes 1100 are after "a part" of taxes (CSG, CRDS, Healthcare, retierment, etc...). From these ~1500, he might pay few hundred € per year, maybe 5 or 6. My first salary was 1500€, but it was 12 years ago, i don't remember how much was my taxes. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:35 FaRess wrote: I can't believe your french and don't know that 1100 € is the after taxes value. We have maaaaaaany taxes 1100€ is the number on the pay check, a part of taxes are included (~20% of the salary), but not all them. But we pay taxes in addition. In the case of a 18k€ year salary, it's close of 1k€ for a single french. | ||
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falafelnr1
Sweden444 Posts
On February 01 2012 22:06 iMAniaC wrote: One could also take into account the populations: USA + Canada ≈ 350M inhabitants EU + Russia + Ukraine ≈ 700M inhabitants South Korea ≈ 50M inhabitants Winnings per inhabitants, top 4-50 for Europe and America and top 10 for SK: USA + Canada ≈ 4,1e-4 EU+ Russia + Ukraine ≈ 8,4e-4 South Korea = 290e-4 So per inhabitant, Europeans are winning twice as much as Americans and South Koreans are winning 70 times more as Americans and 35 times more than Europeans. It's a very rough overview and I'm not sure it actually tells us anything, but that's the numbers, anyway. According to SC2ranks.com there are 869,038 players on eu and 862,739 on NA+SA. http://sc2ranks.com/stats/region/all/all/all/30 | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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mki
Poland882 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On February 02 2012 00:37 goswser wrote: Many of the top 10% of euros you mean....I don't mean Morrow or Whitera, I mean BabyKnight, Syz would likely not do nearly as well. and all the american pros go 0-5 in their groups too. if the americans feel too stuck up to attend anything "less" than an mlg, then get smashed at mlg same as all the other white guys, how can you look down on people willing to actually try to compete on any level and just do their best. by competing everything they can, these players you listed who "wont do well at mlg" have to right mindset to 1 day be the best, 90% of them will still fail, but without trying theres 100% chance to fail. americans come across like they are 'too good' for a weekend cup, even though that drive to compete, and that competition experience are what create a champion. On February 02 2012 00:58 Bagration wrote: Ah, the good old income gap. Even sc2 pros live with it. Not too surprising, other than the fact that fenix is the 3rd highest earner in na we are the 99%! occupy GSL | ||
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DirtyCash
Canada189 Posts
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dom_dom666
Canada10 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
but it is true in general that na has alot less money for grabs than in europe (when you discount huge events or lan events) i dont know why we still talk about this its been proven over and over in many different ways that eu has more top tier players than na On February 01 2012 22:40 mTwTT1 wrote: yup and thats why na players are starting to lag behind the eu/korean scene, the immense popularity of online cups within the eu scene is the main reason why their improving at a much faster rate than na players i dont know about that. most top players in europe came from wc3, bw or other progaming backgrounds while for na you didnt ever have many serious gamers in the first place. there has been many cups that attempted to have weeklys in na server but the interest was never there as it were in europe even from the beta stage i doubt the spew of money made so many people in europe motivated to become progamers | ||
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KenChan
54 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:18 KenChan wrote: Yeah wc3 NA was pretty poor.Dont know about bw tho. ye europe totally owned na back then aswell ^^; | ||
InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
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GetSome
United States35 Posts
On February 01 2012 21:45 MrBitter wrote: I suspect that a lot of these statistics also hinge on that fact that the European tournament scene is a lot more active. For every daily event in NA, EU has 2, and 500 euro weekly and monthly events are incredible common here, and these tourneys are almost exclusively played in, and thus won by Europeans. Comparatively, the US has more "huge" events, but those are so seldom won my North Americans, and thus, don't really do much to help NA earnings. Nailed it! I hope the rest of you consider ^ before you start making assumptions. | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:09 MorroW wrote: europeans also make more money in tournaments cause they are more skilled. many europeans play na tours and take their money over there while almost never vise versa :p but it is true in general that na has alot less money for grabs than in europe (when you discount huge events or lan events) i dont know why we still talk about this its been proven over and over in many different ways that eu has more top tier players than na i dont know about that. most top players in europe came from wc3, bw or other progaming backgrounds while for na you didnt ever have many serious gamers in the first place. there has been many cups that attempted to have weeklys in na server but the interest was never there as it were in europe even from the beta stage i doubt the spew of money made so many people in europe motivated to become progamers i know that the eu players that switched over were MUCH(much much much better, dunno about the wc3 scene but that was the case for the bw scene) better than the na players but that wasnt the point i was trying to make, wat i ment was that the overabundance of online cups(be it invitationals or weeklys) is one of the main reasons why eu players are improving at a faster rate than na players, online tours motivate players to practice for them and the tours themselves are good practice, alot of good players match up against one another and theyre also good a simulation of lan tournaments, it basically promotes competitiveness within the eu scene | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
On February 02 2012 01:09 MorroW wrote: europeans also make more money in tournaments cause they are more skilled. many europeans play na tours and take their money over there while almost never vise versa :p but it is true in general that na has alot less money for grabs than in europe (when you discount huge events or lan events) i dont know why we still talk about this its been proven over and over in many different ways that eu has more top tier players than na i dont know about that. most top players in europe came from wc3, bw or other progaming backgrounds while for na you didnt ever have many serious gamers in the first place. there has been many cups that attempted to have weeklys in na server but the interest was never there as it were in europe even from the beta stage i doubt the spew of money made so many people in europe motivated to become progamers I dno, the playhem dailies on NA are getting over 200-256 people nightly now. | ||
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