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:D thanks iGrok. I'm so \in. This looks very cool.
Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game.
*everyone breathes a sigh of relief*
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Yeah I kinda realized it's annoying and prevents people from reading my filter and trusting me (correctly or incorrectly ), so if I want to improve as a player that's a big priority for me.
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On January 24 2012 04:07 sandroba wrote: Hey BH stop spamming about how you won't be spamming =P
i would respond to this but that would be spamming-- OH NO WAIT, WHAT HAVE I DONE?
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Is this majority lynch or extended majority lynch or what? I seem to be unable to find out what our voting system is.
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On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote: I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info.
What are you kidding me? This game is somewhat similar to Resistance I insofar as that the mafia have limited/no way of communicating with each other, and as town we have to take great care when discussing what the mafia may do lest we accidentally inform them of some sort of strat they haven't though of. Obviously there's a possibility of inception agent seeing their messages. If some scum player is somehow so unimaginably bad that he didn't realize this, I'd be honestly shocked and appalled at his inordinately poor observation skills.
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On January 26 2012 13:15 redFF wrote: I see no voting thread so I assume we vote in here
##Vote Radfield
I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little.
On January 26 2012 13:22 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. Pointless post. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:05 Jackal58 wrote:On January 26 2012 12:57 Radfield wrote:On January 26 2012 12:35 Jackal58 wrote:On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:/confirm On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now. Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'. Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves. Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around. Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate information So this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement? Nice post. Wtf is that booger doing in the middle of it? Not sure I follow. The idea is that you shouldn't be calling anyone town or probably town. You should either call them scummy(or some degree of scummy) or 'Not Scum'. ie: Don't reveal the degree to which you think someone is town, as that is a way for mafia to communicate, and a way for mafia to galvanize their hits onto townies. Or were you asking something else? Alright let's do it this way. I'm not going to say this is stupid. I'm going to say it's very smart, kinda smart, smart, or not smart at all. Dude this is fucking stupid. This is some serious town posting yo. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote: I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info. So stop talking about it then. So far you have one post and it's talking about the one thing you're telling us not to talk about. This post just looks so fake with the whole "don't tell them about something that's in the op come on man we don't want to help out the scum look at me im really town blahblahblah" In fact ##Vote Navillusnot scum is 7 letters and a space town is 4 letters therefore i will just be saying town. jackal is town
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On January 26 2012 13:27 redFF wrote:Nobody cares you made your point. What do you think of radfield's "plan"?
I think his plan is either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, or not scum, but I won't mention how town it is or isn't.
Seriously though I see no reason why a town player would distinguish "how town" players are. If you want to say "this guy is scummy / scum / not scum" go ahead and say it. If you want to say "I think this guy is more town than that guy", you're helping scum.
Why are you helping scum? Well, if you're right, you're painting a target on a guy's head and helping the mafia coordinate their kills.
Think about it this way. Imagine you're a scum player at the end of D1, and you're trying to figure out who you want to vote to shoot. Your chief goal is to not shoot other scum. So you're gonna start looking for "ok who is definitely town, who do my fellow scummates think is town?" You can't talk with your scummates, so you look for possible crumbs / indicators from your allies as to who is the townest town who's not scum, and you shoot him.
A secondary goal for town, in addition to hunting scum, is preventing them from coordinating their kills and hopefully getting them to trip over each other. Radfield understands this, as should Jackal, who played in Resistance, another game without a mafia QT.
I agree with these tenets of Rad's plan for the reasons I have outlined here.
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They disagree with the step where redFF is scum and wants us to lose
##Vote: RedFF
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On January 26 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's the difference between calling someone town or not scum? Why call someone either, unless there's a compelling reason to do so? I don't get it. I can see you don't want scum to know that someone's considered town by everyone, but why bother even calling people town or not scum in the first place?
In my opinion, don't call people town/not scum, unless they're getting lynched or something. There's no point.
Instead, just call people you think are scum, scum, and who cares about the others?
Also, BH, even though there's a voting thread, we should still write our votes here. It makes things transparent, and let's us know in the context of the thread when someone is voting.
yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad
oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that
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On January 26 2012 14:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Then what was the point of this? + Show Spoiler +On January 26 2012 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:15 redFF wrote: I see no voting thread so I assume we vote in here
##Vote Radfield
I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:22 redFF wrote:On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. Pointless post. On January 26 2012 13:05 Jackal58 wrote:On January 26 2012 12:57 Radfield wrote:On January 26 2012 12:35 Jackal58 wrote:On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:/confirm On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now. Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'. Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves. Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around. Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate information So this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement? Nice post. Wtf is that booger doing in the middle of it? Not sure I follow. The idea is that you shouldn't be calling anyone town or probably town. You should either call them scummy(or some degree of scummy) or 'Not Scum'. ie: Don't reveal the degree to which you think someone is town, as that is a way for mafia to communicate, and a way for mafia to galvanize their hits onto townies. Or were you asking something else? Alright let's do it this way. I'm not going to say this is stupid. I'm going to say it's very smart, kinda smart, smart, or not smart at all. Dude this is fucking stupid. This is some serious town posting yo. On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote: I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info. So stop talking about it then. So far you have one post and it's talking about the one thing you're telling us not to talk about. This post just looks so fake with the whole "don't tell them about something that's in the op come on man we don't want to help out the scum look at me im really town blahblahblah" In fact ##Vote Navillusnot scum is 7 letters and a space town is 4 letters therefore i will just be saying town. jackal is town ._. ._______. ._______________________________. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 It looked like you were telling them not to vote here. Maybe I misunderstood.
They weren't posting in the voting thread. They didn't know it existed. I was informing them of the existence of a voting thread where they could post their votes and be able to you know actually vote
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On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 23:37 Radfield wrote:
Almost Certainly Town X Y Z
Likely Town A B C
Leaning Town 1 2 3
Null H-P
Scummy Fee Fie Foe Fum
Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?! ##VOTE: Radfield
On January 27 2012 00:05 Cwave wrote: You can't just say " people shouldnt make lists like these" and then provide scum with one for free -.-.
BAD!
Are you kidding me? Did you read his list? Those aren't actual people names, dude.
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Oh yes good point there's no way they could just say blazing townish cwave town penis without that code
Oh no wait they can totes do that np
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Oh snap did cwave scumslip hard right there or what
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I'm also voting you because there is no way you should be this dull.
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On January 27 2012 01:19 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 01:09 Blazinghand wrote: Oh snap did cwave scumslip hard right there or what Make a point instead of posting useless crap like this and don't spam one-liners and get yourself in trouble again like the previous games you played. What on earth did i do wrong for finding that list and the actions of Radfield scummy as fuck?
I have never been in trouble for spamming. I am notorious however for enormous multi day tunnels on scum players.
The problem isn't finding Radfield scummy. The problem is that your reasons for soing so are bad and unsupported. You are creating an environment in which it is more difficult to hunt scum. Your criticisms of him are unsupported which is not like you, or honestly like any town player.
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On January 27 2012 01:25 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 01:04 redFF wrote:On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote:On January 26 2012 23:37 Radfield wrote:
Almost Certainly Town X Y Z
Likely Town A B C
Leaning Town 1 2c 3
Null H-P
Scummy Fee Fie Foe Fum
Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?! ##VOTE: Radfield I am ok with policy lynching this VI Name calling AND playing bad start day1. Nice redFF, way to be usefull! How about you actually post something of content. Do you think my opinion on the list being used as a possible rank system for mafia is bad/wrong/whatever? If so, why then?
Ive already taken apart your critique of his list. Address that.
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