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Secound game as well. I got a 100% win rate, and I will win this one as well, EZPZ! | ||
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Paparazzi: "I’m your biggest fan I’ll follow you until you love me Papa- Paparazzi" You are a paparazzi. During night time you can either: A) Follow a chosen celebrity around and snapping pictures. Your pictures will reveal any actions your celebrity have done during the night, or any actions done to your celebrities. B) Distract a celebrity, causing the celebrity to miss out on it's nightaction. You are scum, but scum want nothing to do with you. You win by..., well you don't win you are a paparazzi you loser! Fan: "I would fight for you I’d lie for you Walk the wire for you Yeah I’d die for you" You are a fan of (celebrity). You love (celebrity) and would do anything for him/her. Anytime during the day you can order a hit on someone who have trashtalked your celebrity. Your hit will fail (cause you are a weakass fanboy/girl) except if you hit the paparazzi (because even a weakass fanboy/girl can easily take out a paparazzi). If you order a hit on the stalker you will fail, but the stalker will lose his ability to stalk. You can order two hits. If your celebrity die you are only allowed to post emo sob stories for the rest of the game. You win together with (celebrity), meaning if he/she is town you win with town, and if he/she is scum you win with scum. If your celebrity is dead or paparazzi you lose! Stalker "Every breath you take Every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I’ll be watching you!!!" You chose a celebrity to stalk. Night three you can shot the celebrity you have chosen, if you have qualified for it by: Day 1: Getting the celebrity to answer you in the thread. Night 1: Sending the celebrity a fan-PM by a smurf account. Day 2: Writing at least 3 positive posts about your celebrity. Night 2: Sending the celebrity a hate-PM by a smurf account. Day 3: Writing at least 5 negative posts about your celebrity. You win with the scum, but only if the celebrity you chose to stalk is dead or have agreed to marry you. | ||
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On January 04 2012 07:19 Blazinghand wrote: Dude Tunkeg that's a totally normal mistake that anyone could make in a Student Mafia game. good warning though Hehe | ||
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Hopefully town will start discussing someting else then set up, and probabilities for different set ups, now that Sheth have started leaning on CatsnHats. For the no-lynch discussion I would say there shouldn't be a discussion. Ofcourse we have to lynch day one. If not there will be no pressure, and no reason for scum to slip. | ||
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You pressured Cats into taking a stance, and you pressured him into taking a stance opposite of what he said in his first post. On January 04 2012 11:52 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1. On January 04 2012 14:06 CatsnHats wrote: But it's so hard to counteraggressive to the nicest guy in esports! Haha thanks for the advice. Lynching someone is definitely the way to go. Any information gleaned, even at the cost of a townkill, is better than no info at all. I don't have a lot new to add that hasn't been said already, but that's my stance. As for picking who to lynch, I going to reserve judgement until the last few people have started posting. Now how will you procede. Wil you pounce on him for contradicting himself or do you see this as a newbie thing? Any reflections on wheather heavy pressure on someone completely new may be counterproductive? For Cats: You need to make arguements for your actions and your views in this game. And if you change your mind you have to make a good arguement for that as well. Because we want to hold you accountable for your actions. So please start doing so, and don't just parrot others. | ||
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You have sworn by Odin. Well I suspect you are Loke to my Thor. You have pushed for the no-lynch day 1: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 11:33 CookieMaker wrote: DAY 1: Right now from my perspective we have the following lynching objectives as town: 1. Not Lynch Innocents -The only way we can be absolutely certain of this to happen is with a no-lynch (tied vote). -This benefits us strongly if there is a DT in the game. It is understandable that the DT won't reveal because of the threat of being killed. 2. Lynch mafia -Currently hopeful at best. Statistically extremely low chance of getting this right, especially with mafia votes. Right now I'm in favor of a no-lynch until more pressure is applied and reads can be made. You want a no-lynch day one, which IMO is only beneficial to scum. As there really aren't no pressure applied. The only reason I will go for a no-lynch is if I have strong town reads on the only candidates for lynch. Otherwise I will go for a lynch. I think we should lynch the one who is most scummy each day. You proceed to defend this by saying we will have more information with a no-lynch: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 12:13 CookieMaker wrote: Incorrect: We get more information, especially if we can get the participation level up a little bit. There's also going to be more posts from all players(god hopefully) before the day is through. Clearly the pool of prime lynch candidates is shallow at the moment. I will be voting for the player with the lowest vote total until I see a better option. On January 04 2012 12:23 CookieMaker wrote: We get more information because SOMEONE still gets scum-killed. The hypothetical you in this conversation gets no additional information because they already knew who the town is. @Gonz I am going on the assumption that any inactives will be talking in a hurry before the 24hour mark is up. I'm very interested to see who pipe's up just before the noose gets tied Following your logic here we will have more information at LYLO and shouldn't lynch until then. Yes, we will have limited information on a day 1 lynch, but the information we get from making people vote and argue their votes will be more benificial to town then a no-lynch will have, even if we are so unlucky that we misslynch. The rest of your post I feel is a bit short on content, except for WIFOM'ing and speculations.Therefor: FOS: CookieMaker | ||
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For Gretorp and Xeris please post before I give you both (imaginary) NASaL fractures... I am no lynch all lurkers fAnatic, but for now I will be more then happy voting for anyone of you unless you start contributing. So tag, gretorp you're it: ##Vote Gretorp | ||
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Your two post have been mostly fluff, but since you are a fellow countryman of the greatest sportsman ever (RF ftw!) I'll cut you some slack. Give me your thoughts on the game thus far. Who do you see as most scummy? And who do you see as most townie? | ||
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On January 05 2012 00:16 Cephiro wrote: Time for a D1 analysis! Obviously I'll leave myself out, but if someone wants to know more about my opinions / ask why I'm in favor of something, please go ahead, discussion is what we need at the moment. Also, my apologies if I'm wrong with someone's gender, I'll make a mean generalization and expect everyone to be a male until noted otherwise. Player List: 1.CookieMaker [b]For now I'm leaning slightly towards town on him, even though he is quite in-favour of the no-lynch possibility. But I think that may be due to the fact that it's his first game, and he may not have read through/followed many mafia games before. So I'm thinking he's rather be safe than sorry, but hopefully he'll realize the amount of information even a possible mislynch will give us, not even mentioning the huge lead we can get if we nail a mafia on D1. His posts could have slightly more actual content, but he's trying so for now he's okay to me. 2.Liquid`Sheth Hasn't posted anything useful aside from welcoming people and pressuring CatsnHats. Sure, pressuring at this point has to be done, but deciding to pick on one person for no real reason at this point and providing no other content? Hopefully he means well and just tries to make sure CatsnHats plays pro-town regardless of being new, I mean, Sheth does have 2 previous games of TL mafia as a base of experience. But for now, I am reading something between neutral or slightly scum. I dare you to prove me your innocence, so I'll be waiting for your morning post. 3.AnxiousHippo Doesn't seem to have any idea of what he should be doing, but I guess it's understandable since it's only his second game. I am hoping to hear more from you, since you haven't posted enough content to make any kind of read on you. Neutral. 5.Tunkeg Good forewarn on not being able to answer at the start of the game. Appareantly was on the winning side in his first game. He seems like an aggressive type of person, wanting to start the accusations and pressure to get some discussion going on. Thinks that D1 lynch is a must, but backs it up with some very good points. Took the first vote playing it relatively safely, voting for a lurker who hasn't posted yet. Clearly wants something to happen, but I am for now unsure if his method will be very successful. Neutral for now, but if you keep the activity up I should be able to get either a slight-town or slight-scum read on you soon. 6.Jitsu Seems to want to actively participate, and most of his posts so far are convincing people to lynch on D1. Hasn't posted any actual content other than that though, so I will still stand on a neutral read. I am hoping to hear more content from you soon, I need to get more reads. 7.Xeris All I can say is, no content, not a good sign. Neutral. 8.Gretorp Same as above, neutral. 9.Gonzaw Answering people's questions, trying to explain some of the basic stuff that should be understood, looks good to me. I like the way he pushed to know more about how I seem to know about the game, so he seems like he isn't taking anything for granted. Also suggesting pressure voting to get things going. I have a slight town-read here. 10.Blurry Seems to be in favour of no-lynching, wanting to stay on the safe side. Hasn't talked about anything but different possibilities if a mafia roleblocker exists. Not useful. (Okay, I'll have to admit that my statistics post at start wasn't necessarily very useful either, but I've been at least trying to post other content as well.) Neutral for now, but if you won't be posting more, I would lean on slightly scum. 11.Probulous Being very active at the start, and the play seems really town-favouring. Constantly asking for opinions and explaining his reasoning. I like his opinion on lynching, definitely wanting to lynch mafia but still keeping in mind the possibility of being careful incase we don't get any reads on D1. Hopefully we will have some scum reads that we can go for so no-lynch won't be necessary. Pressuring the people that should be on according to timezone but haven't posted. I would have to say you are my strongest town-read so far, I want to hear more of your opinions when you're back. 12.CatsnHats Being a new player, it's understandable that he's a bit confused, but you really need to learn that you CAN'T TRUST anyone but yourself. Whatever you think about the situation or someone's reads, say it, don't just agree or disagree randomly. I'm kind of worried of the chance that you are a townie whom the mafia would be able to talk around easily, but I hope you'll prove me wrong. (about the convincing part.) Or you could be mafia that is pretending to be a super-newbie town on his first game... who knows. But you're neutral so far. Start posting your opinions! I'm not going to vote yet myself, but I will join the pressure voting in a few hours if Xeris and Gretorp aren't going to turn up. What is it that makes you think CookieMaker is slightly town? You have listed alot of anti-town things about him but not one pro-town thing. | ||
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On January 05 2012 01:13 Gretorp wrote: Tuneg, It doesnt make sense to vote me. If you have watched any NASL or seen me play mafia, you know i'm genius level but inexperienced with mafia. ALL times i've been in tl mafia, i've been a townie so my ability play townie is better than mafia. If you take my genius brain and then apply the situations, the EV for me in general is positive to the point where you dont want to vote me. But you probably know this, hence you want to kick me off because youre a mafia. SO I VOTE YOU, AND YOUR COUNTRY. #VOTE TUNEG I don't know cause I am no genious, sir! But please mr. genious, if you could be so kind, help a simple mind out by posting some analyzes. Then maybe I could change my mind... | ||
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You guys say I have been suspicious to many players allready. Well, then you missread me, I am only suspicious to CM atm. xeris and Gretorp I am not suspicious of as of yet, just saying I will vote for them if they don't step up. In my post to Blurry I didn't say I think he is suspicious, only that he haven't contributed greatly yet. Ceph you said you think I have made to many questions posts and to little content posts. Well, to me content is opinions and analyzis of others play, and in my opinion I have allready made more content than you, including your day one analyzis post. I will give you credit for putting it out there, and it might lead to some discussion, but I think your reads are to vague and therefor the value of it isn't the greatest. In closing I will say that I am not suspicious of you two as of yet, so there will be no missunderstanding. | ||
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On January 05 2012 01:01 Jitsu wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 18:07 CookieMaker wrote: Jab and dodge eh? I like your style. I'd actually also like his opinion. At the moment I am very content with the way the town is developing. There is clearly a trust developing among several players who employ similar town-favored tactics. Also, I enjoy watching Sheth stir the pot, but he's kinda leaving the lid off without giving it a chance to boil. I'm interested to see what our current inactives have to say; I think even the majority of the Nords have already piped up. And now I sleep in the hopes that during the night little elves will come and whisper in the ears of our inactives, and whence they rise an impulse stronger than coffee shall empower their mouse cursors to look at their TeamLiquid PM's and realize that they should be posting in this thread about their regret at not having posted sooner. Tunkeg I'm giving you some leeway because of the timezone comment but I swear to Odin.... Thought of some cute food for thought: Surely rotten eggs will indeed be the those whom first crack in the steamer RE: CookieMaker You never responded to me about the no-lynch/miss-lynch after I posted in return. Don't you think it's somewhat beneficial for town to get it out of the way before the situation occurs, so that we are more prepared when it happens? Or do you not care about the town thought process? I just read through you're filter, Cookie. I noticed two things: 1. The majority of you're post is crap filler. It's posts of fluff that can be found in either the Original Post or a mafia wiki. 2. When you do post something of substance, it doesn't assist us. You're above post looks good, right? And you talk about how you like the "Jab and Dodge" style. But it seems you are doing a whole lot of dodging, and not a lot of jabbing. Than you talk about elves coming into the game, and than a haiku. Stop feigning activity. RE: AnxiousHippo + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 10:45 AnxiousHippo wrote: Haha, hey. I don't really know what to do early on. Last game (the only other I've played) I think someone got lynched for something really stupid like asking for help. Scum is often afraid to make accusations and contradict themselves. They may say one thing today and the opposite tomorrow. In bigger games they might just lurk and post very occasionally to avoid attention but I don't think we'll have to worry about that so much this game since there's only 12 people. I don't have the slightest idea as to how to make a plan though. Like you're doing now? You came in with a piece of good advice (which, admittedly, could have built on, but was ok none-the-less) and say how mafia *might just lurk and post very occasionally,* so than you post very occasionally. I am going to say the same thing to you as I said to Cookie. You are posting to pretend to be active. Post to be active. | ||
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On January 05 2012 04:42 Xeris wrote: I don't favor randomly lynching people in the first night -- unless there is some actual suspicion. Statistically, maybe it's better to random lynch, but I feel like the chances you might randomly kill a cop // medic make it not worth it. I prefer using the first day to try to get reads on people, then wait until Day 2 to use the information gained in Day 1, based on who ends up dying / etc to make a more reasoned/educated prediction about who might be mafia. Randomly lynching is a really stupid idea. I agree on random lynching is bad, and I won't participate in a random lynch. But a lynch on the most suspicious player on day one I am all for. So please clearify for me, would you prefer a no-lynch day 1 over a lynch on someone who is slightly scummy? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 03:58 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ahhh yea. Gretorp getting busy. I like it. Were going to get some scum. Ok, well, I'm going to analyse some games for a bit, as I have to work. However before I go, I geuss I'll point out one thing. Everyone seems to be accusing everyone. It doesn't help, because we know its just one persons pressure and honestly we assume its fake pressure, because after all its day1 and we don't have any great reads. So, instead of this I recomend we get behind one person and see if they can tell us why they ARE NOT mafia. I was planning on leaning on Cephiro, for his post here : It comes down to a wall of text that tell us nothing. It just makes it look like hes contributing a lot when in fact he hasn't come up with a new opinion and his others posts are very non-committal. Just like wishy washy, things, and I thought it was just weird. However this morning you posted Which has some negatives and actually contribues some, so I'll back off for now. Kinda ironic that you wanted me to post my read today and my read was on you. @Tunkeg we shall see. CatsnHats what do you think about this Gretorp guys first too posts. Good / bad / scummy?!? So who is this one target you have in mind? And why is it better for everyone to pile onto a single player (who might crack and give off strong scumreads, while just beeing a newbie, causing us to do a misslynch, which in this case wouldn't provide any information because everyone had the same reads) than it is to prod around and get players reactions. If people just ignore pressure and questions, just because the pressure is light I'll put that as a scumpoint. Every townie should try to be as open and informative as possible. | ||
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On January 05 2012 05:34 Xeris wrote: If there are legitimate concerns about someone on the first day, sure, I'd probably participate in a lynch. But I don't really see how you can determine that on the first day when you have basically NO information to go off. Further, because this is online mafia, you can't even read people the same way... I don't see how you can possibly get a good enough ready on someone in the first day, before any action has happened, enough to confidently lynch someone. Well, you don't really have that much more information going into day 2. If you want to base your lynches off who was killed by scum night one you are entering deep into WIFOM country, and all sorts of wierd speculations to why scum killed the one they did. This sort of analysis is worthless IMO, as no one know why scum did as they did (except themselves). Did they try to throw us of with the kill, did they kill someone who was onto them, did they chose a target that that they were sure wouldn't get a protected (if there is a doc in this set up) etc etc. The reason why we need to lynch day one is so that everyone have to justify their votes. If they use bad logic or just are following someone else they will be put under heavy scrutiny on day 2. If someone choses to vote for someone to have a no-lynch they will have to have a damn good reason why not to vote for someone who where up for the lynch (these good reasons beeing they had town read on them, and reasoning behind that townread). | ||
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I belive Blurry is on CET time just as I am, which no is 21:52. So thats KST -8 (KST is displayed up in your right corner)- | ||
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I remain suspicious of CM, he haven't posted anything during my time in the thread. Hopefully he will make some more post by the time I return. My vote will stay on Gretorp for now. Hopefully he will make some good posts tonight. Because there are other players who need some pressure now as well, mainly Blurry and AH who haven't contributed anything yet. Cephiro I feel you have been flip floping abit today, and haven't taken any strong positions against anyone. I am not sure I like your switch on CM from leaning town to suspicious all that much, him not having made a post in the meantime. You remain active though, which I think is a good thing. On that note I am going to bed, unless anyone want to prod me about anything that is fairly quick to answer. I will be away for 16 hours from now, sleep+work. | ||
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Me and you not having the same opinion of Ceph is ok, cause I don't have him as anything but neutral at this point. You making the post on him and coming to the conclusion that he is very pro town I find very suspicious though. I can't say that anyone thus far is very pro-town, and for you to say it make me think you are scum who know he is town and want to befriend him (seeing that he have been leaning town on you previously). On January 05 2012 08:08 CookieMaker wrote: EBWOP: To set the record straight on the whole no-lynch business, I am very much against a no-lynch at this point. This is the original quote that I made, before I knew what kind of activity levels we would see and thus, whether we would have enough reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 11:33 CookieMaker wrote: DAY 1: Right now from my perspective we have the following lynching objectives as town: 1. Not Lynch Innocents -The only way we can be absolutely certain of this to happen is with a no-lynch (tied vote). -This benefits us strongly if there is a DT in the game. It is understandable that the DT won't reveal because of the threat of being killed. 2. Lynch mafia -Currently hopeful at best. Statistically extremely low chance of getting this right, especially with mafia votes. Right now I'm in favor of a no-lynch until more pressure is applied and reads can be made. This post is also something I find suspicious. I do not like inconsistency. And I think one of the best way to catch scum is to find inconsistancy. | ||
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