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Lynch all liars/Lynch all lurkers My view here is lynch all confirmed liars, if you claim something that is proven wrong you must die. On lynch all lurkers, all non-poster/few posts must die. Thats all I have to say about policy lynches. Now for the game so far, this is my view: Adam 4167: Did the first post of the thread and a policy post. Not much content this far. That beeing said he is from Australia and have probably slept through most of the game this far. Grackorini: Made some filler post and some policy lynch posts this far. Would like to see him get more into the game. Velinath: Is the big time poster in this game so far, together with Blazinghand and ey215. In the beginning alot of no-content posts and alot of posts about policy lynches. Have picked it up by the end of this thread, and are actually beeing helpful for town now. xtfftc Besides one post discussing policy votes the rest of the post have been filler posts. Expect him to get more active now as he is EU. xsksc: Is taking on the role of an educator this far. Telling us noobs how this game works. This gives him a strong position, and a easily abused position. So far his posts have been educationally and only that. I expect more from a "veteran" like you. Post some analysis, do more, help us scumhunt! jaybrundage: The dissapointment of the game this far (strong words, but I think jaybrundage can take it). He is also a veteran, and should now that posting quality stuff is important. As of now there have been alot of filler posts. ey215: After Blazinghand started pressure him he have started making posts that benefits town. Abit defensive and emotional. Blazinghand: MVP of the game thus far. He is pressuring people and is the one getting the discussions started. I like this agressive play, town needs it! That beeing said, it can quickly go over the top and go from beeing pro town, to making a bad town environment. BroodKingEXE Mostly filler posts. Have already been pressured, and rightfully so. Need to start making usefull posts. Bbyte, ElectricBlack and Hassybaby Time to wake up and post! | ||
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On December 04 2011 21:02 xsksc wrote: I'm by no means a veteran, I've only got 2 games under my belt! I just wanted to start the discussion off and make the new guys feel a little more comfortable  Thats why I wrote "veteran". You starting off the discussion with the policy lynch post, and later bringing the attention of the thread over to scumhunting have been good. But I did want to point out that your helpfull ways will give you a strong position in the group. And thats the reason why it is SO important that you, through your posts, convince us that you are town. I have my eye on you (No FOS!), as of now, you beeing scum is the biggest threat to town. | ||
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On December 04 2011 13:35 Adam4167 wrote: We cannot have no-lynches in this game due to the voting rules. I am all for lynching anyone who scum slips or is caught in an outright lie, as they're almost sure to be mafia. Lynching lurkers on the other hand, while I think they offer nothing to the town, also provides the town with very little new information and costs us an additional townie through a night-kill. As previously stated in the thread, bored townies are more likely to go inactive/lurk due to not having a very interesting role, whereas a mafia member has two teammates who are relying on him/her to stay active and try to achieve a win. So are you trying to establish yourself as a boring townie by not posting anything or what? Adam, a couple of questions for you: What is your thoughts on Blazinghand's aggressiveness? How do you perceive him thus far? Is his play pro-town or anti-town? Any thoughts on xsksc's play? Is he a key player in this game? If he is scum, what effect will that have on the game? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 14:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys! Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak. I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group. What do you think? While not completely agreeing to your point, I think this is a ok first post. You come in and start discussing the policy lynch. On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady. I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK. As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot This one is what I consider a filler post. A post with no meaning really. On December 04 2011 14:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys, Well I think that Lynching any inconsistent comments is definitely a good idea. We need to be sure that any information we are getting is consistent and to keep the amount of strategies that the mob could be using low. As for the lurkers I agree that when in doubt we should vote for the lurkers. The information that they have could be useful or they could just be neglecting to play the game, which means they should not be playing at all. This is back on-topic, and somewhat usefull. Lynching people who clearly do scumslips I agree upon. Not people changing their minds though. On December 04 2011 15:10 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, I said to check for inconsistent statements and you did. The fact that I said to check for mistakes in their inconsistent statements still stands though, as you point out through asking me about my inconsistent comment. Still on topic, you answer the question Velinath gives you. On December 04 2011 15:13 BroodKingEXE wrote: Blazinghand, As long as the mob goes down you can do whatever you have to. A useless post On December 04 2011 15:15 BroodKingEXE wrote: jay is right that i am new. A more useless post  | ||
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On December 04 2011 21:58 BByte wrote: Good On policies: Lynch all liars and Lynch all lurkers are useful tools for hunting scum and promoting valid town discussion. Some random points: Breadcrumbs alone can't confirm a claim, but they can still be useful in analyzing which claimant is the real one. Depending on who the claimants checked, whether any of those checks flipped is still valid information to use. Back to reading the thread, more thoughts later. Also feel free to ask me anything, I'll be happy to discuss stuff that's not already beaten to death. All right then: Who do you consider the most scummiest and who is the most townie thus far? Why? | ||
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On December 04 2011 15:59 Velinath wrote: Oh, absolutely. While I think that anyone who is willing to stick their neck out and be vocal about a given player is less likely to be mafia (as mafia has no interest in contributing to constructive discussion), I definitely agree that leading the town down an incorrect path is certainly a viable strategy and one that the mafia may be employing here. That said, there's nothing in the posts from any of our active posters so far that screams "scum" to me - and so far our policy decisions are furthering a town agenda, IMO. You are the number one poster quantitywise in this thread, you are also one of those who have voted early. You are also perhaps the one I consider to be most likely (as of now) to get a bandwagon started on someone (either as number one voter or two). Based on that, my question is: Are you trying to give yourself an alibi with the statement above? | ||
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On December 04 2011 23:21 xtfftc wrote: Tunkeg, I approve of the way you're pressuring but would you mind answering the questions you've been so happy to ask the others? Not just a summary of the thread activity but how this makes people more or less likely to be mafia. Who do you trust and who would you lynch? Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: Alignment For a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town )xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte[b] Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. Trust and lynch At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:24 xtfftc wrote: Okay, I like you. I agree on Blazinghand (although some of his stuff is a bit meh), I have no read on Hassy (he hasn't posted yet...), and I didn't like jay's first post (it was a first post though). I liked xsksc's straight to the point opening - no messing around being lazy or trying to blend in but directly kicking off a discussion. He hasn't done much since though. I didn't like how he jumped in defence of ey215 when what Blazing did was perfectly fine, and he sounds like he didn't want to understand my arguments about lal for some reason. I wouldn't call him mafia yet but he's on my FOS list. [b]ey215 is my strongest mafia read for now though... Having to call out someone on scummy behaviour [b]two times just a few hours into a mini game doesn't bode well for that person. You do have a point there, but from my point of view I see it more as a hissyfit than a scumtell. That beeing said it is something to take into consideration as the game progresses. | ||
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On December 05 2011 01:49 Hassybaby wrote: Ok, read through the thread now. A few things: Firstly, I'm honoured that you think I'm a veteran, but you're totally wrong. I'm not a veteran in any way shape or form. This is my second game, and my first game was XLVII, and we all know how that went Secondly, while I've already addressed this point to Blazing, I want to emphasize this one a bit more, because I'm wondering about your methods considering the game situation. It's been just over half a day in a game that suddenly started, and you already have a scumlist based on the fact that people haven't posted? Really? The day lasts 48 for a reason dude; time-zones exist, as does RL. I've already mentioned to Blazing that I have been out all day, and I didn't even know that the game had started until I came back home. I suspect that there are one or two others in the same boat. So actually wait for responses before instantly preparing the gallows. While its awesome that you guys are getting the ball rolling, you have to remember that pushing easy targets this earlier is actually very anti-town. You're basing your actions on very limited information, if any, and you're also discouraging discussions, and instead forcing players to defend themselves as opposed to looking at evidence and discussing THAT with people. At no point is that a good idea. This goes especially to you Tunkeg, because right now it feels like you're playing the Serejai role from XLVII. Accusing everyone isn't going to help. In fact, it can easily get you ignored in the thread. Accusing people is fine, but do it within reason considering situations in the game. Agreed. Lurking in a game this small has to be discouraged, especially considering you won't lean anything through it. However, the pot should be stirred through responses of policies, not open call outs. You have an interesting way of getting people to participate. It may be working, but it really shouldn't be encouraged.There is no sense of cohesion if you start off by accusing people. As for cases, I'll go back through everyone's filter one by one, and see if i spot anything. initial reads have not made me feel like there's a definitive scum read, or a totally strong one yet, but I may have easily missed something. Well, my approach is not similar to Blazinghand's approach. I want pressure, but I won't toss my votes around. I want information, as much as possible to make the best lynch possible. You say I have made accusations, well that list is the only thing that can be considered accusations. The rest of my posts have mainly evolved around asking questions. For the scumlist I was asked a direct question by xtfftc, and I responded. But yes, I do agree a scumlist based on this little information is of little value. But still it was my view based on the information available at the time, and it made a stir, seeing that you commented on it. My voting may or may not correspond to this list. That beeing said I feel you response is very defensive, almost overly defensive. At the time of my post you had not posted, and of course you were on my list then. I totally expect people to be AFK for long periods of time, and thats ok, but they have to be ready for some heat when they are back then, thats the only way to get any information out of them. Now, if you don't like the way I play and don't like the way Blazinghand play, how do you suggest the game should procede? IMO if no one asks the questions and no one applies the pressure, the only discussions we will get will be on the policy lynches, and we need more than that to get the information needed. | ||
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On December 05 2011 02:48 Hassybaby wrote: I know you haven't. That bit was directed more at Tunkeg. If you look at his filter, there is a lot of accusatory posts there, which is why I mentioned Serejai. I just don't see his method to be constructive at this stage of the game. Well, again, that is not true. There is one post were I have made anything resembling an accusation, and that was a direct response to a question. If you have other examples please feel free to list them. | ||
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If I am interpreting you right you consider both my play and Blazinghand's play anti-town. Would you go so far as to say that our play is leaning scum? Or are we just playing really bad town in your opinion? | ||
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On December 05 2011 03:52 Hassybaby wrote: If I misinterpreted you, I am sorry. But to me posts like: and sound accusatory, on top of the list. So I hoe you can see why i said hat. However, if that wasn't your intention, I understand. And no, I don't see either of you as scummy yet. As of now, I see both of you townies aggressively forcing discussions through different means, whether it be through voting like Blazing, or through hard-hitting questions like you do. I don't question the motives, I question the timings of them. While they have been successful, I think they're better served in the later stages of the day, as opposed to the start. In that way, you can have some backing to your questions as well, through quotes and possibly votes. I prefer seeing responses to questions about policies that town intends to implement, and then following up through that, like the lurker point I made with Blazing. My main issue with early pressure is that it makes it too easy to OMGUS it, unless there's a clear slip. But with the support of quotes that they have made over the past day or 2, you can make a clear case against them, and defences will be tested better. Definitely going to commend the results though. Discussions have started, and now we can build cases, and really force people to respond. I can see how my questions there, and other questions might be interpreted as accusations. But they are not meant like accusations, I'd rather call them pokes, to get a reaction. The red naming I did in the scumlist post I see as more as an accusation, and while not taking any glory, but the rednaming of you have led to an intersting arguement at least. Where you have put some pressure back at me, which is only fair. Also players like Grackorini and jaybrundage have told me to back off abit, which I take into consideration. It can also be a usefull read for later. | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:08 jaybrundage wrote: Ok you come out and call me a disappointment of the game And that i haven't been posting quality stuff. Thats Bullshit I post what im thinking about. I gave my opinion on lynching policies. I said what i thought about Blazinghands aggressiveness (which i agree with btw) And i gave my read on BKEXE. Who i think could very well be a noobie mafia. But im curious how did i go from not posting quality stuff to being mafia. Seeing that i havent even posted from then to your next post. While i think posting your reads on people is good. You got the wrong person in your cross hairs. Moving on here's more stuff that i noticed Ok so far i see adam has done quite a bit of lurking. He makes a single post at the start of the game.Correcting a mistake someone made about not being able to lynch. Then after ward after someone calls him a bored townie. He jumps on it claiming him self to be a bored townie. And then talks about mentions Blazinghand and Veli so called buddy buddy relationship. Soft claiming them to be mafia. He responds to Tunkegs questions and leaves it at that. Im going to right my reads out in a little bit i just need more time to reread the thread The disappointment remark were perhaps abit over the top, but my remark about wanting more qulity posts from you still stands. Now that the game is established itself I hope to see more analyzing from you. This last post from you is what I want more of if I am to see you as greener. Listing you as mafia in my scumlist happend (as I've mentioned before) after xtfftc asked me what I thought of the players alignment. At the time you were one of those I considered more scummy than the rest. | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:05 Grackaroni wrote: @Tunkeg: also since you're here. I am curious why you painted Ey215 town in your reads. He is somebody that I am unsure of right now and all you explained is that "his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand." To be honest I did go abit wild with the coloring. I should perhaps have used more leaning town/leaning scum reads i my post. Anyways the reason I put ey215 as town was the feel I got from his posts. He posts his view about town-environment, he states his view about the risk of bandwagoning and that sort of stuff. All of which I consider pro-town posting. What I didn't incorperate in my analysis when posting the list was the defensive attitude he initially took against Blazinghand. Still my read on him is leaning town | ||
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In most of your posts thus far you have either been pressuring others or responding to the response of players pressured. You have tried to get the lurkers to talk. Now, what is your view on those who have been doing a fair amount of posting? | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:56 jaybrundage wrote: And tunkeg i would like your response to my reads heck. I would like everyones feed back. lets get some discussion going On December 05 2011 06:25 jaybrundage wrote: My reads so far Adam4167- Ok so far i have a scum read on adam I you can see in my last post why click He just comes off happy to stay off the radar I dont like how he is going about his game. Just posting ot barely keep up. And in general comes off apathetic. He says hes a bored townie but i think it could be a lurking mafia BByte- He has posted but not alot he seems content to just respond to people. He did comment about breadcrumbs which is true. Its funny because in my game of Mini Mafia X WBG claimed a blue role and because he breadcrumbed it people beleived him. He did post his reads on people which is good. I would like to see more posting from him. My question is what do you think of adam Bbyte . Blazinghand- Blazinghand has been the biggest posting factor atm. Trying to keep people from lurking and in general trying to generate discussion. While it may not be kosher its seems like its working great. People have responded to his prods. My biggest concern is if he was mafia he would be doing a terrific job. I agree that he has been very pro town. But remember guys putting to much trust in someone is always a mistake. So be wary BroodKingEXE- Ok so far i posted a little to nothing. I gave my read on him before. clickerz Well i said previously that he gave off a non pro-town vibe off. I have to disagree now. Rereading his posts I just think hes just new town. Well he can be a bit hard to read i still think hes just a newbie that doesnt know whats scummy and whats townlike. However Regardless We do need to see some posts from you about what you think about other players. If you continue to post like you are you are prolly gonna get lynched. So post your content. If its wrong is not what matters what matters is that you gave your opinion. ElectricBlack- Ok so far ElectricBlack hasnt posted much so far. His last post was pretty good containing content about the lynching policies. His respond to BH and about how he though BH was doing a decent job of making discussion. I would really would like to get your reads on the town tho. He does bring up a good point while BH is prolly town we can completly rule anyone out as scum. Establishing thread presence is a good think for both townies and mafia to do. But again i would like you reads. So far i have a null read ey215- Has posted alot. Mostly because of the arguement between him and and BH. BH called him out for a no content post ey responded by saying BH was making baseless accusations. And it escalated from there. Veli was trying to bring the heat down a bit (good by him). But eventually they decided to just settle things, ey defended himself well. Although to be honest im not sure of his alignment as far. He could be mafia who just did a great job defending himself or a townie who made sure that BH is not going to unchecked. Im going to keep my eye on him. Grackaroni- So far he has posted his reads and gave a good bit of content. Giving his reads and trying to keep everyone on the same page He mentioned that he agrees with hassybaby about not making straight up accusations like Tunkeg did so early in the game when people havent posted alot. Will i dont really agree with this. I think coming out with your town reads is always good. Premature sometimes but good. I do agree with his case on Adam tho so far hes still the scummiest in my book. So far i got a pretty good town read on him. Hassybaby- Ok so Hassybaby got outright accused of mafia with out even posting. Maybe we should go with people guts and just lynch him lol. Well his first post comes out and talks about the LaL policy. He mentions that we should not just lynch a lurker or liar if we have a good read on someone. I think that we all agreed on this. He then talks about how he doesnt like Tunkeg accusations However i mentioned before i dont think It is the wrong thing to do to put your reads out there. I personally like waiting for everyone to post but regardless. He then tells Tunkeg that He is accusing people to much. I still disagree with this. Tunkeg is generating discussion. I honestly think aggressive scum hunting is completely fine. I don't agree with him on his points. Weather he is scum or not is hard to tell i would like his reads before jumping to conclusions Tunkeg- Ok So i have mixed feelings on Tunkeg First off he comes out with his alignment posts and calls out a nonposter and me as being scum. Honeslty i think you should let people post before calling them mafia lol. I do like how he is poking and generating discussion. While i think his biggest disappointment thing was still stupid which he mentions as well. Hassy mentions that he thinks tunkeg is accusing to many people early in the game. But i think that while Tunkeg has said somethings that i dont neccesary agree with i do think its furthing a town agenda. I do think hes coming off protown even if his accusations are not always right. Tunkeg what d Velinath- Well as far i see Veli as being at townie. he talks about the policies a good bit Actually alot but that what the current conversation was about. he kind of gets on BKEXE case. Which i kinda did at the start as well Its really hard to read BKEXE but i still do think hes a townie. And then he gives his reads alot of them were null reads but it is still hard to place alignments on people this early in the game. I do find his amount of posting comforting tho. Makes it a bit easier to disguish his alignment. xsksc- Ok so i like his first post. It pretty much generated the discussion we had on policy lynches and so forth it was good to get out of the way. He mentions posts about breadcrumbs not proving blues which i agree with. talks about policies a good bit. and then tell BH to not be trigger happy. Its kinda funny that everyone gave an opinion on BH. Again aggressive scumhunting is good imo and making people post is great. He got called out on not scum hunting. Which i kinda agree with. he started the conversation about lynching talked about that for a while and then goes and doesnt give much of his reads or even analyzes any posts. I want to see his reads but im leaning scummy xtfftc- Well so far i dont really agree with his policy posts. I do think lynch all liars is a fine policy. He mentions that last minute lynches are a bad thing and i have to agree. he strongly agrees that everyone should post regardless of how we get them to post so he agrees with BH method. He calls out Ey as his strongest mafia read tho. Ill have to go over ey's posts again. As my read was no where near strong on Ey. He also mentions that While people can buddy up for instance BH and Veli that they can often be town and posts an example Syllogism and Sandroba. I do agree that both. So far a null read. I would like to see more of your reads tho Well thats what i got so far plz everyone tell me what yall think this took fucking forever thank god for filters tho. Overall a good post, I agree on most of your reads. But my comments are: Adam: I was also tipping abit against scum on Adam, because of his lurking ways, but he is the only one who have been saying anti-town on Blazinghand, and I would think scum would not go after Blazinghand, but go for more easier targets. ElectricBlack Not sure if I agree on that his post was a really good post, it was an ok first post, and had he followed up then yeah, he could have been able to establish himself as town. But for me it seems abit like he is trying to give out as little information as possible, and that is not good for town. xtfftc He is a very hard read indeed. His posts have been seemingly protown, and he have had good activity. But he have supported me and Blazinghand, and as a scum that might be smart as many have town reads on us. He then have put his red mark on ey215 and a FOS on xsksc. ey215 is one of those who at the time could get framed and bandwagon lynched (based of his feud with Blazinghand) and afterward it would not be as obvious as for instance BroodKingEXE. Xsksc as a town is also a player I would presume scum would get rid off if they had the chance. So I consider xtfftc either a good townie or a great scum. As a final note I would like to say I completely agree of your comment about Blazinghand. There is no such thing as confirmed town! | ||
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On December 05 2011 07:28 xtfftc wrote: Okay, last post before I go to bed. I won't be able to post while I'm at work tomorrow but I should be back about ~7-8 hours before the deadline. BKE hasn't been active enough and I still have him on my lurkers list, so I want more from him before I go behind a lynch. The others on it are Adam*, Bbyte, ElectricBlack. They all worry me but we've got good overall activity levels (to some extent thanks to Blazinghand), so they won't be able to stay in the dark for too long. All he's done is talk about the policies, refuse to see the counter-arguments, reprimand Blazinghand for putting some extra effort * Adam posted something rather anti-town earleir though: There's two problems with this quote. The first one is that this is exactly what mafia want. They want to focus on someone saying one stupid thing and lynch that person. Ask your coaches if you don't agree with me: lynching someone over a single "scumslip" tends to be main reason why towns lynch an innocent on Day 1. The second is that he mixes a "scum slip" and "an outright lie". We had a lot of talk about LaL and a lot of you disagree with me. You want a strict policy on it and although I think it favours mafia, it can also help town, so it's okay. What is not okay is trying to tie "scumslipping" to the same policy without holding a proper discussion on what we consider to be a scumslip and what we consider to be someone overreacting over bad wording. This is very pro-mafia as it gives them an easy way to push for lynches. Uh, while I was writing this bit Grackaroni came up with a strong target (and he gains greeny points for doing so). I'll have to go through his, Adam's, and jay's posts again before I make up my mind on Adam though. ey215 I'm still not happy with and it wasn't just his defense that made me suspicious. But perhaps I am tunneling him a bit too much indeed. Unless he proves me wrong, he's going to be my main target on Day 2. My main lynch candidate for now is xsksc. While I am very suspicious of ey215, he is around and has put some effort to defend himself. xsk, however, posted some stuff at the start of the game and is happy to ride on the early town vibe he left in some of us without giving out any actual reads. Most of his posts are about lynching lurkers (and liars) and when being called out by Tunkeg for not doing any hunting he states that he's been doing analysis.... just not sharing his reads with us. This just won't do. ##Vote: xsksc Did not see xtfftc's post before I posted mine. Another post that is seemingly pro-town, but where there could be a hidden agenda. | ||
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