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ovnell
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 20:10:10
October 06 2011 17:15 GMT
#1
I've studied how entertaining the people have found watching the different matchups and races in GSL code s since GSL january round of 8. I've done this by counting the votes in the "recommended games" section in the LR threads here on TeamLiquid. The results are presented in percentages (%) of how many people found the average games entertaining for that race/matchup. In other words, the higher percentage, the more entertaining matchup/race to watch. Here are the results:

In every matchup
Terran: 74%
Zerg: 75%
Protoss: 63%

Matchups in order of entertainment
ZvZ: 83% *
TvZ: 80% (89% if zerg wins, 70% if terran wins)
TvT: 79%
PvZ: 66% (71% if zerg wins, 61% if protoss wins)
PvP: 61%
TvP: 61% (69% if protoss wins, 50% if terran wins)

Most entertaining race when they win: Zerg (81%)
Most entertaining race when they lose: Terran (80%)

Least entertaining race when they win: Terran (63%)
Least entertaining race when they lose: Protoss (62%)

Poll
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: What's your favorite matchup to watch?

TvZ (162)
 
56%

TvP (53)
 
18%

ZvP (46)
 
16%

TvT (16)
 
6%

PvP (7)
 
2%

ZvZ (4)
 
1%

288 total votes

Your vote: What's your favorite matchup to watch?

(Vote): TvT
(Vote): TvZ
(Vote): TvP
(Vote): ZvZ
(Vote): ZvP
(Vote): PvP


Poll: What's your favorite race to watch?

Zerg (107)
 
40%

Terran (84)
 
31%

Protoss (79)
 
29%

270 total votes

Your vote: What's your favorite race to watch?

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss



_______________________________________________
*Many people will disagree with ZvZ being the most entertaining matchup to watch. Only a few ZvZ games have been played in code s and the reason it's the highest matchup on the list could be because of the final between Nestea and Losira.
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
October 06 2011 17:35 GMT
#2
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
October 06 2011 17:35 GMT
#3
Wow, great work! Seems like people just hate terran!

How many games did this analysis cover? It would be good to add the n values for each match-up.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
October 06 2011 17:36 GMT
#4
Interesting numbers. I think TvZ is by far the best MU from a viewer standpoint, followed by TvT but ZvZ is great too, I just wish there was more of it to see the matchup evolve. Even if it's sometimes frustrating to play (personnally love it) there's constant action and micro, and banelings in general are just an exciting unit that can turn the battle in an instant.

Protoss tends to be less interesting because I feel their games are more about one timing push/one big battle and there's much less action throughout the game. Stargate builds are an exception but they're slowly going to disappear. Maybe Warp Prisms can make Protoss exciting again? PvP and PvZ are terrible and have always been, PvT used to be better IMO but with the 1/1/1 now it's garbage too.
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
October 06 2011 17:37 GMT
#5
So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
October 06 2011 17:39 GMT
#6
On October 07 2011 02:37 decaf wrote:
So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?

i dont think its much of a secret
Terran Metal for the Win
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
October 06 2011 17:41 GMT
#7
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.


What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?

Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
October 06 2011 17:42 GMT
#8
It looks like people don't like watching toss, and like watching zerg the most.
Flash Fan!
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
October 06 2011 17:43 GMT
#9
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.

Zerg games are generally more fun to watch because there's more going on at 1 time. In comparison Protoss games can be really boring and uneventful, especially PvT. Also, Terran has historically been winning the most and Zerg the least, so that would influence it too.
Dodge arrows
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
October 06 2011 17:44 GMT
#10
perhaps the reason that zerg has more votes is because games involving zerg usually have more aggression. games that have more aggression are probably more likely to be recommended?
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
October 06 2011 17:44 GMT
#11
On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.


What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?

Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.


Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
October 06 2011 17:46 GMT
#12
What's with all the Terran hate? (((
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Ziktomini
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom377 Posts
October 06 2011 17:47 GMT
#13
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.


Or that Zerg games are more entertaining, you know, as the thread suggests and the voting feature on gomtv also.....
RoboBob
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States798 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 17:48:32
October 06 2011 17:47 GMT
#14
I remember a poll waaaay back at release which showed that the race most commonly played by TLers Zerg. IIRC, It was like 40% zerg / 20% terran / 35 %protoss / 5% random. (I couldn't find the link to the poll, if someone else can please do)

Which is actually very different from the overall playerbase. According to Dustin Browder, at release there were: 23.5% zerg / 38.0% terran / 38.5% protoss.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
October 06 2011 17:48 GMT
#15
Not a big surprise. If anything, it surprises me how high TvT is, but TL is so insanely zerg biased. So many times I've been like "holy crap what an awesome game" in TvT/TvP/PvP and it gets *maybe* "If you have time", and then a very dull, non-action packed snorefest including zerg gets recommended.
Yannosh
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium93 Posts
October 06 2011 17:54 GMT
#16
I find PvT the most interesting match up actually, short after PvZ. I play zerg btw.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 17:56:26
October 06 2011 17:55 GMT
#17
On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.


What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?

Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.


Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.


It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.

Statistics aren't intended to "prove".

In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.

He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.

In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.

Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
October 06 2011 17:56 GMT
#18
On October 07 2011 02:48 Zarahtra wrote:
Not a big surprise. If anything, it surprises me how high TvT is, but TL is so insanely zerg biased. So many times I've been like "holy crap what an awesome game" in TvT/TvP/PvP and it gets *maybe* "If you have time", and then a very dull, non-action packed snorefest including zerg gets recommended.


Pretty much this.

I stopped checking recommended games long long ago, thanks to whiners who ruin the polls (mostly zergs but now protoss's force of whine has awaken too).
E.H Eager
Profile Joined August 2011
United States227 Posts
October 06 2011 18:00 GMT
#19
I'm surprised ZvZ is the most popular. It doesn't seem like the most in depth match up (none of the mirror match ups do really...), but I guess whatever floats your boat.

I personally love watching TvZ. It seems like the classic match up and there are so many exciting things that are happening the whole time.
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
October 06 2011 18:01 GMT
#20
On October 07 2011 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:
On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:
On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:
This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.


What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?

Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.


Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.


It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.

Statistics aren't intended to "prove".

In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.

He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.

In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.

Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements.


I don't mean to imply that statistics are some kind of absolute truth: but it does add to what I've experienced on several online communities. Say something pro-terran on reddit and get downvoted into oblivion, go on Bnet and get flamed for "terran op," go on TL and see everyone crying about terran in LR threads, the strategy forum is dominated by protoss and zerg threads, and this shows people are more likely to recommend a game if a terran loses. Frankly, it is getting old.
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