Pick Your Power Interesting!

On October 09 2011 05:06 Kavdragon wrote:
On that topic,



Holy Check! FW is a girl? I will always refer to you as a she now, FW.

On October 13 2011 00:18 chaoser wrote:


This is made worse by the fact that there are different mafia factions in this game so things get even more confusing with them all going for the same roles and possibly same strats and soon you'll have to deal with the mess that happened in PYP2 where a traitor said someone picked his role in the top 5 and we ended up losing two days to that alone except this time it will probably be worse when we try to control the role list.

Sandroba hits the nail on the head. This game is about outlasting, not about trying to win the game as early as possible as town. The longer the game goes on, the more mafia will have to start worrying about each other and the more information and time town has to figure everything out. Let the mafia deal with fighting over roles, we should focus on getting as many protective roles as possible. Look at how LOTR played out: Two medics basically bought town enough time to lynch the last three mafia. I'd say protective roles are #1 picks and then investigative roles and then KP roles. Mafia will probably be going for as many KP as possible to try to overcome our defensive roles if we play like this so we can just lynch anyone suspicious that also has KP.

On October 13 2011 01:12 sandroba wrote:
Jackal, my plan involves no lists or assignments, are you okay supporting it?

On October 13 2011 01:12 chaoser wrote:


Different game dude, talking about PYP2. You weren't in that game

On October 13 2011 01:44 sandroba wrote:

Okay, so you will follow it then? You cannot pick kp roles (exception is jack/capitalist) on the first 20 picks and no claiming "I was denying shit" if you get found having a role you were not supposed to have.

On October 13 2011 02:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
Can someone explain to me how Assassin is a good role?

In order to kill someone as the Assassin you need their role, alignment, and in the case of mafia, family.

How the hell does one determine a scum member's family?

On October 13 2011 02:26 Radfield wrote:


This is very very smart. I fully agree with having thief immediately swipe, as it confirms two dangerous roles at once.

The two roles that are imba on their own merits are: Inventor, Assassin. Inventor can give his teammates anything, Assassin has infinite immediate hidden kills. Thief and Roleswapper are assigned only by virtue of keeping track on the first two.



Cool. We'll see you on Day 1, as I guess there is no need for you to participate in the next two days.

Some of us are trying to use the in game mechanics to get town on the best possible footing, some players are not. Which one are you?



This doesn't make any sense. We're discussing this tonight on skype as I assure you, this makes no sense. Assigning several dangerous picks to the top slots actually increases the likelihood of mafia overlapping on the other pro-mafia roles


As an aside, Mafia will not draft town roles in an effort to deny town, as that puts them at a severe disadvantage to the other mafia teams.

Mafia Team A takes powerful town roles
Mafia Team B takes powerful mafia roles

Guess which team is more likely to win?

On October 13 2011 02:33 Radfield wrote:



The thing is Jackal, NOT having a plan doesn't put us on any better footing. We still have all the potential downside, but we lose all our potential upside. Scummies and dummies can still shit things up, only we just have plain LESS info.

My challenge to you: Give me a scenario involving my pick-assignment plan that is worse than if we had done no pick assignment at all. I'm not saying there isn't one, but I can't see it right now. Prove me wrong.

On October 13 2011 03:21 Radfield wrote:
This means that a player tried to take JOAT at 5, but it was already taken. We should not have had to wait for his flip, as he should have immediately blew the whistle that his role was swiped by a player above him. Really it would be a null tell though, as JOAT is a pro-town choice(and coveted), and someone may have wanted it for themselves. Cops would look into the top 4 slots, and the discovered JOAT would be placed under more scrutiny. If the role that was not taken(assassin or Inventor or whatever) starts being used for evil, then we can lynch the JOAT given the likelihood that he is scum and let the role slip down. Or not, either way we have important information.

Assuming we had no assignment list though, this is a non-starter. So what if the player at 5 flips VT, it just means he doubled up with someone else. We learn nothing in this situation.

Honestly, I would say neither option has a distinct option in this scenario. Certainly does not fit the bill of a situation where no role allocation is better than a bit of role allocation.

On October 13 2011 05:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Draft pick orders are public?

On October 14 2011 08:24 JimboSilvers wrote:
Sorry, I've been busy in irc and forgotten to look at your plan in detail Rad, but my first thoughts looking though it are:

DT roles are not that useful to mafia (except in special cases like wbg pointed out) This means that they will be relatively easy to get. DT roles should NOT be prioritized in the top. I'd say maybe the low mid should grab these roles.

Top picks should be uber town roles and self defense (so that it's dangerous to shoot in there)

Mid-high picks should be KP, IF we want it.

I'll be back about an hour before the deadline to read more.