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IdrA said you can defend a 6pool with a 14 pool. No, you can't.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14613891/Cant defend.SC2Replay
Bunker rushes cannot be defended when terran hides the second rax, makes tons of marines then pushes.
Siege tanks kills all zerg units. Roaches, lings, banelings. Zerg cannot beat terran.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14613891/noob.SC2Replay
I was trying to improve this week. I got cheesed 9 times today. 2 wins 11 losses on fucking diamond league. Im quitting this shitty race. Zerg cannot do timing pushes. Zerg does not have a proper cheese. Zergs gets raped by siege tanks.
The Question itself
the question is how the fuck terran made 80 siege tanks while cheeseing.
Helping me does not help me. I just keep forgeting to scout, to make tech...
The problem is time passes too quick in starcraft, I look at the clock it says 8:00 game minutes. I look again 10 seconds later it says 28 minutes and I'm still on 2 bases.
Look at the ZvT replay, the bunker rush lasts 10 minutes. Wtf is that? and how do I fix it?
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Zerg is a responsive race, you don't imrpove regardless of race by cheesing, and last time i check muta's do pretty good against tanks ^^
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I understand your problem (same situation here, but just plat).
However that doesnt give you the right to spam the Strategy Forum with whine :O Read the guidlines please =)
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its not spam, im asking how to beat this
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On August 30 2011 09:22 DW-Unrec wrote:IdrA said you can defend a 6pool with a 14 pool. No, you can't. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14613891/Cant defend.SC2ReplayBunker rushes cannot be defended when terran hides the second rax, makes tons of marines then pushes. Siege tanks kills all zerg units. Roaches, lings, banelings. Zerg cannot beat terran. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14613891/noob.SC2ReplayI was trying to improve this week. I got cheesed 9 times today. 2 wins 11 losses on fucking diamond league. Im quitting this shitty race. Zerg cannot do timing pushes. Zerg does not have a proper cheese. Zergs gets raped by siege tanks.
There's no question in here. Are you asking about how to scout? how to effectively defend these cheeses/allins? You're not really giving us much to go by, especially because you're "quitting this shitty race." So... what exactly are you looking for from the strategy forumgoers exactly?
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On August 30 2011 09:29 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 09:22 DW-Unrec wrote:IdrA said you can defend a 6pool with a 14 pool. No, you can't. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14613891/Cant defend.SC2ReplayBunker rushes cannot be defended when terran hides the second rax, makes tons of marines then pushes. Siege tanks kills all zerg units. Roaches, lings, banelings. Zerg cannot beat terran. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14613891/noob.SC2ReplayI was trying to improve this week. I got cheesed 9 times today. 2 wins 11 losses on fucking diamond league. Im quitting this shitty race. Zerg cannot do timing pushes. Zerg does not have a proper cheese. Zergs gets raped by siege tanks. There's no question in here. Are you asking about how to scout? how to effectively defend these cheeses/allins? You're not really giving us much to go by, especially because you're "quitting this shitty race." So... what exactly are you looking for from the strategy forumgoers exactly?
On August 30 2011 09:26 DW-Unrec wrote:
its not spam, im asking how to beat this
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"1.5 Dealing With 2 Rax
15 Hatch is the best build for countering 2 Rax for a few reasons:
1: It gives more Larva. Yes, Pool first gives just as many Larva in the long run but until that first Inject pops you’ll have less of them. And when it pops it’s already too late cause he’ll have seized control of your natural and walled you in.
2: It provides Creep and thus allows you to make a Spine Crawler. This is crucial against prolonged aggression. The Spine Crawler actually completes before those extra Zerglings from a Pool first inject would.
The proper response to a 2 Rax is to cut Drones at 16, get an Overlord and bring all but 4 Drones to your natural to fight him off until you can get Zerglings out. When Zerglings and later the Spine Crawler comes out you can send Drones to mine in your Natural. If he then comes again with increased strength can bring out your Drones again. Also, get your first Queen in the natural.
If he 2 Raxes you but pulls back without engaging both of you will be set back around 1 minute. Each situation is unique though."
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176625
Look at the stickies in the recommended section. If you still can't find anything, ask in a help me thread.
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Hmm I would disagree with the OP. Have you ever watched July zerg play sc2? He is known for his super aggressive play against all races. Although zerg is reactionary there are still timing pushes that are valid strategies. My favorite is the LosirA roach ling timing push against any early protoss expansion.
14 ext
13 pool
15 ovi
4 lings when pool + queen
19 speed
19 expand
21 Queen (lay down tumor go to expansion)
roach warren when hatch pops
8 roaches
Send roaches out and rally lings behind the lings will catch up to the roaches as they run across the map.
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What disgusts me, as well as other people I'm sure, about your post is you seem not open to learning, or improving. It is all too obvious from the first line, you refute what a highly respected pro said, and call it impossible even though you just handled it horribly.
For the 6 pool:
Take down the spine, that is a verrry important part of the rush and you can't just allow it to go up. You also didn't get the solid hits you needed to with mineral stacked drones, it's better to mineral walk 2 groups in opposite directions to guarantee the surround.
Your ZvT plan needs some re-vamping. Focus on controlling the map with mutalisks, study top level standard play and try to emulate it.
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URec, I'm going to be on for awhile tonight, add me, we'll do some games. I think I can help solve your problem. shaft@claneat.com is my realID.
But I ditto everything said by everyone about your attitude. Open yourself to new ideas, and assume anything you try but fails, failed because of you, not because it doesn't work. And explore new ways of doing that same thing, in a manner that will work for you. We'll talk more about this 
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Get it together... zergs are doing good these days.
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+ Show Spoiler +Idra is way better than you.
Mutalisks, broodlords own tanks.
L2Scout.
^Brutal description.
At least TRY to analyze your replays and learn from them.
Since this is a balance whine, I expect to see ban/close.
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Well just watched the 6 pool (which is a 7 pool) game.
First of on XelNaga, send your 2nd Ovi to your gold rocks, you will see early zerglings sooner, so you can prepare mentaly. Second, for drone control, you have to send 3-4 drones to the spine, if you dont, you lose (though in this game the spine didnt matter all that much). Your drone micro could have been better, if you get a surround on him, its over. 6-8 vs. 14 Pool is just a question of micro, it is beatable, just go straight for the spine. Also I would recommend cutting the queen. It did pretty much nothing, and you didnt have enough minerals for more lings.
Loading 2nd game right now, will edit later.
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Well for a 2 Rax, you held it off pretty well I think. Sure, you could have started the spine earlier, after spotting 2 Rax, and maybe brought more drones for the first push, but you were only slightly behind economywise. Then you go into allin mode. No drones, very very late third (which wont be saturated). If you had squeezed in more drones, taken your third earlier and stopped wasting units, you could have easily outproduced your opponent. But on equal bases zerg loses.
And btw, 2 Rax is by no means cheese, as a zerg you just have to expect it, because its such a strong opener. You didnt scout early. You lost the game because you allined. Especially as zerg it is extremely hard to get back into the game after such an (failed) allin.
Just my 2 cents
And : pls dont bm ._. I´m sad everytime someone bms, if you want to improve try gging every time, it keeps a positive mindset.
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First game, you let a spine go up in your base and you were wayyyyyyyy too slow with making lings.
Second game, you had excess of 50 energy on your queens while floating around 1k minerals for a good five minute period.
Before you start discussing balance, you should double check and make sure your mechanics aren't silver league.
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Troll post. People please dont respond
However, there are many timings. Watch some julyzerg. If you actually have a question ill try and answer.
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I believe the premise of this thread is that a Diamond player knows more about the Zerg race than IdrA. I feel like this maaaaaayyyyy be slightly inaccurate.
I've been able to defend 6 pool + drones even with 15 hatch 14 pool at Master level. Do you think it's possible your micro needs improvement? That your Overlord scouting patterns could tell you much earlier if Lings are coming?
It seems like they are useful things to do in the case of 6 pools.
Did you see DRG stomp Nada? He lost his natural hatchery to a 11-11 rax, macro'd up mass Ling Baneling and won anyways. I guess Zerg can beat Terrans, just sacrifice your natural Hatchery!
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There arent dangerous tank pushes until like... when u'd have broodlords out anyways. When i make a macro hatch of 2 base and early evo for +1 and threat of banshee, it pretty much holds all early terran pushes with just lings and a sprinkling of banelings... especially 3 tank marine push
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On August 30 2011 09:38 Sleight wrote:
I believe the premise of this thread is that a Diamond player knows more about the Zerg race than IdrA. I feel like this maaaaaayyyyy be slightly inaccurate.
I've been able to defend 6 pool + drones even with 15 hatch 14 pool at Master level. Do you think it's possible your micro needs improvement? That your Overlord scouting patterns could tell you much earlier if Lings are coming?
It seems like they are useful things to do in the case of 6 pools.
Did you see DRG stomp Nada? He lost his natural hatchery to a 11-11 rax, macro'd up mass Ling Baneling and won anyways. I guess Zerg can beat Terrans, just sacrifice your natural Hatchery!
we're born the same day bro :D <3 <3
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you're using a bunch of absolutes. "zerg can't beat terran" "tanks kill every zerg unit". I dont know where you're asking for help during that.
zerg does have cheese : baneling bust, roach rushes, roach ling all-ins
zerg can do timing pushes, its just all-ins if they do timing pushes.
you need to edit your OP that way you don't sound ignorant that way we feel some sort of sympathy for you. Give us some sort of motivation to help you.
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