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On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_- | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with. Incorrect for you good sir. my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town. as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end. As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself. If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period. as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it. Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster. Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc... This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946 the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less. The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms. | ||
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So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to be fair i have no mod confirmation that i was mason'd -_- ...To be fair, do you think I would willingly violate the rules? I'm more about enjoying my experience of playing than winning. I'm above cheating at mafia. | ||
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Thank you for that respect, good sir. | ||
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Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:01 Liquid`Sheth wrote: They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. A small point? Voting for mayor...is a small point? I want to clarify that also AS YOU DODGE my question. And just because they did it without attracting my written attention means I can't address you without addressing them? Srsly. Bad argument is bad argument. | ||
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On January 14 2012 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker. @WBG -- What do you think about what Protactinium has posted? How do you feel about Protactinium's new lynch candidate - BC? I think its far to early in the game to solidly go after BC. I don't think he's scum just for addressing our rather useless mason role in the way he and I discussed it. I feel the move was solidly pro-town, but I won't trust him still. I never trust BC, L, Incog, or RoL (as evidenced by my repeated murders of RoL). But as of this moment I think he's decently protown, he created a different discussion that needed to be discussed. I will not support any attempts at lynching him day one. Also, we haven't heard from quite a few people on our list of players, most notably L. I also don't think d3 has posted either, which is rather poor to me. As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate. Hi Scamp, how are you, sir? Do you mind gracing me with a few opinions? Like Foolishness pushing for multiple people for mayor, instead of himself?( I still find that the most weird thing about today.) And also Protactinium saying he'd lynch BC if elected - a change from ciryandor. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:02 Scamp wrote: Well alright, but first I question your post. Why did the role of mason need to be discussed? Especially combined with a roleclaim? How is that solidly pro-town? Also, when is a good time to solidly go after BC? Why can't someone go after him on day 1, especially if they have a case to make, and especially since you claim to never trust him? I'm not really opposed to the idea of Foolishness pushing for multiple people and not himself. Last time I checked I'm not running for mayor either, and we elect two people. I find it curious that no one seems to be discussing the usage of the two positions outside of the day 1 lynch, whereas talk about masons cluttered up the thread for a bunch of pages. Finally I'm not really sure why you're asking my opinion on Protactinium going after BC. He posted a pretty verbose argument, you should go pick that apart if you don't like it. My opinion of it is that I think it's legit, but I don't know if it's mafia calling out a notable townie with suspicious behavior because of substandard play (a common mafia Ace tactic, and a good one if that) or if BC truly is mafia and has done a good job of leading the town down topics which aren't quite to the point. I guess they could both be town, too. Highly unlikely that they're both mafia, though. I felt the mason role needed to be discussed, mainly because I'm a mason and I find the role very weak this set up, with the exception of it in mafia hands. The thing about a mass claim for masons just limits the mafia's ability to infiltrate privately. The reason I find it solidly protown is just because it is a pretty bold thing to do, don't you agree? I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him. Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around. And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote: With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* Same post I claim mason. -_-...srsly...The first part was orginally going to be a different post. That first portion was my first PM to BC tbh. Jesus christ, you and wherebugsgo are focusing on that way too much. Did you not notice I claimed in the same post? | ||
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On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote: 6) Opz still waiting for an answer here as well. Not to accuse you. But I just don’t get what happened. You masoned him, you didn’t get confirmation and thus you never wrote him? Wth? It's gonna be a while before I catch all the way up. I pm'd him immediately after selecting him as my mason target for the day. He wasn't gonna reply until it was mod confirmed to him. Was this just a weak accusation to just make yourself look like you were doing something? Atleast wherebugsgo and BM tried harder, which is a huge stretch in and of itself. Some notes as of yet: L came posting, running a mayor campaign. Bill showed up too. Proact is lacking, :page 53. I'm bout to go for a walk with the ol' lady, so i just wanna come in and say some things and throw a vote out. I should be back well before the deadline though. | ||
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On January 15 2012 08:44 Protactinium wrote: When the town isn't going anywhere, look for mafia interference. I clearly have been trying to give some direction to this thread, so there isn't really the excuse that the town is just newb and doesn't know what to do. Furthermore, this game isn't like some others where 2 mistaken townies pollute the thread by attacking each other on pretty thin grounds. If you look at the thread as a whole, you probably will only be able to find 1 player who really sticks out of the discussion, and that's BC. If you agree that the town isn't going anywhere, the question should be why. BC has steered the course of the discussion for the most part of this day, despite only having around 5% of the total game posts. While I have no problem with someone having this few amount of posts, an examination of BC's posts shows that he has created more ? He creates a discussion which blows up disproportionately to its significance in the game. In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:33 wherebugsgo wrote: wowowowowowow. Alright, I was wrong. Fuck. Your wrong about a lot. -_- | ||
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On January 15 2012 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: In all seriousness, please it would be nice to know which of you is posting. At any rate, you have given what kind of direction with your 3 posts before this one where you claim to have been giving direction? You are representing yourself falsely. Something someone on the mafia team would do. You have also gotten a lot of support without posting damn near anything. I think your highly probable mafia. I'm just again concerned about what I said being ignored. Everyone agrees with protact that was giving the town direction, when he only had three posts prior to the post where he claims he was giving the town direction? | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:20 Jayjay54 wrote: Hey guys, I’m back from work, so I have time to figure stuff out. First of all, GG to all the dead. May they rest in peace! WP everyone. I try to focus on the NKs, we may get information why they were shot. I’ll compare them by listing People they opposed and things they supported, mostly with quotes. May contain traces of WIFOM. I want to start with the not so sure shot people. You'll see why. Lanaia People she opposed: Well, pretty much none (talking about before the day 2 start, she gave a pretty neutral list today). A little post against palmar, a little post about L, but quickly withdraw. Things she supported: Well, uhm. Yeah. Vote was on BC Sooo Lanaia? What? Why? She was a total Null read to nearly everybody. Some people even called her scum. Includiiing: a) Why the fuck would BM jail Lanaia? Because he thought she has a role? Lanaia was even confused herself. This makes 0 sense to me. Care to explain BM? b) How does BM know that he saved her? Does he get notified? And why would he want that if he thinks shes scum? And why on earth would the mafia use a pretty NK to kill a pretty neutral person who even was a lynch candidate to some? Please enlighten us BM. => Don’t know what to make out of it. But I don’t believe whatsoever that the mafia used a NK on her. Which is why: Could Lanaia be mafia? You ever consider that? I have...Not just the long post today were neutral. Almost every post. But I'll be pointing that out later, I gotta do some things real quick. | ||
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