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[Champion] Taric

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dnastyx
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Last Edited: 2011-08-08 18:26:53
July 19 2011 21:43 GMT
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The most fabulous support in the whole league

Taric is a tanky support champion that brings lane dominance and roaming power. While he's never been an overpowered champion (unless you count the old days of Garen/Taric), he has remained a great support option.

Important Pictures and Threads

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plz gaiz gib taric a new sink


Patch Changes

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v1.0.0.109 - 2011-01-17

Fixed a bug with Radiance where it would cause performance issues while on

v1.0.0.103 - 2010-10-18

Imbue mana cost increased to 80/95/110/125/140 from 70/85/100/115/130
Imbue heal reduced to 60/100/140/180/220 from 70/110/150/190/230

v1.0.0.101 - 2010-09-21

Radiance now has a brief cooldown when activated with the goal of preventing quick cancellation after initiation

v1.0.0.100 - 2010-09-08

Imbue base heal reduced to 80/120/160/200/240 from 100/145/190/235/280
Imbue ability power ratio increased to 1.1 from 0.9

v1.0.0.98 - 2010-08-10

Imbue heal reduced to 100/145/190/235/280 from 100/150/200/250/300

v1.0.0.96 - Season 1 - 2010-07-13

Fixed a bug where Dazzle could stun for longer than 2 seconds

v1.0.0.86 - 2010-06-01

Dazzle minimum stun duration increased to 1.0 seconds from 0.5
Base damage increased to 58 from 56
Base damage per level increased to 3.5 from 3.3

v1.0.0.83 - 2010-04-27

Imbue cooldown reduced to 16/15/14/13/12 from 20/19/18/17/16
Imbue base heal amount increased to 100/150/200/250/300 from 70/120/170/220/270
Fixed a bug with Dazzle that was incorrectly calculating minimum damage
Radiance:
Radiance no longer heals surrounding allied units
Upkeep mana reduced to 4/7/10 from 10/15/20
Startup mana cost increased to 20 from 10

v1.0.0.74 - 2010-02-10

Fixed a bug with Radiance where it was providing too little damage



Skills

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[image loading]Passive: Gemcraft
Taric's autoattacks replenish his mana for 7.5% of the damage dealt.
This is a weird passive. You usually don't want to be spending your time autoattacking creeps as it'll push your lane, but if you do happen upon some last hits, it's some good mana regen. Just be warned that abusing this passive to its "full potential" promotes bad play!

[image loading]Q:Imbue
Taric channels earthen energy to heal his target ally. As the magic flows through them he is healed for the same amount. If Taric heals only himself, the heal will be 40% more effective. His autoattacks decrease this spell's cooldown by 2 seconds each.
Taric's heal. It's unique for two reasons - if Taric heals an ally, he also recieves the same heal amount. If he heals himself, it's 1.4x effective. So it's a tradeoff, but it also allows both you and a lane partner to play more aggressively and know you'll have an effective heal. Just note that with Taric's small early mana pool, this skill can be quite taxing. The cooldown also decreases for autoattacking, but again - don't abuse it! There's untold horrors for pushing your lane constantly.

[image loading]W: Shatter
(Passive): Taric gains bonus armor permanently.
(Passive Aura): Taric hardens crystals around him, providing additional bonus armor to himself and nearby allies.
(Active): Taric shatters the crystals surrounding him, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies and decreasing their armor for 4 seconds. The passive aura is not in effect during the cooldown.
This can be a little confusing. There's three effects to this. 1) Taric gains armor as you level up this skill permanently. That bonus armor cannot be taken off of you in any way.
2) Taric emits an aura that gives bonus armor to any champions in that radius, including himself.
3) Activating the skill is an AoE nuke that reduces the opponent's armor. This also removes the aura from part 2 until the skill comes off cooldown.
This is an incredibly versatile skill that is great against AD lanes. You can reduce the damage done to yourself and your allies or you can increase the damage done by AD characters by activating the nuke. At max level, it's an extra 60 armor. That's outrageous.


[image loading]E: Dazzle
Taric emits a brilliant ball of prismatic light at an enemy from his gemmed shield, dealing magic damage (lower damage the farther the target is), and stunning them for 1 - 2 seconds (longer stun the farther the target is).
A simple targeted stun with decent range. It travels very slowly, which makes it easy to flash away, but it stuns longer as a tradeoff. Combined with Shatter, it's a great harrassment tool. While you may be tempted to level this skill, the damage is unreliable without AP items and the cooldown for Shatter won't be able to keep up as it is.

[image loading]R: Radiance
Taric emits a brilliant light, healing himself each second and increasing his attack damage. Additionally, it grants half the attack damage bonus to nearby allied champions. The cost to sustain Radiance increases each second.
This skill is great for early to midgame teamfights and for pushing towers. The increased attack damage is a huge boon late game at well - 45 damage to your allies, 90 to yourself at max level. Again, though - this skill is incredibly mana intensive, so keeping it up for long periods of time isn't really viable unless you have a gigantic mana pool. Judging when to use this is something that comes with practice and good decision making, as it has a 20 second cooldown.


Builds

I'd like to emphasize again that Taric is primarily a tanky support, although there's lots of builds you can do with him - some more viable than others. If you're playing him as a support in the current meta, you'll get little to no farm, so your job is to maximize your effectiveness with few items.

Support Taric

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Runes
Quints: 3x Flat HP or 3x MS
Marks: 9x MPen
Seals: 9x Flat Armor or 9x HP/level or 9x MP5/level
Glyphs: 9x Flat MR or 9x MR/level or 9x MP5/level

Another option is to take a Gold/10 quint or two, as you will be getting little farm.

Masteries
0/9/21 always. The reason for taking 21 Utility is to minimize the cooldown of Clairvoyance.

Summoner Spells
Clairvoyance/Flash or Clairvoyance/Ghost. Clairvoyance is hands down the best support spell. Flash and Ghost are for mobility. There are some rare cases where you'll want to take Exhaust, but good Clairvoyances will help win games.

Skill Order
EQWW
R>W>Q>E

E helps for Level 1 teamfights. After that, you want to take Q for lane sustainability. After that, take additional levels of Q only when necessary.

Items
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Start
Regrowth+Pot
Boots+Pot+Ward
Faerie Charm+Pots+Ward
Doran's Ring

These are all dependent on the matchup, but you should try to get early gold/10 items as soon as possible to make up for your lack of farm.

Core:
Philo Stone
Heart of Gold
Merc Treads
Wards
Oracle

Gold/10 items are your lifeblood and keep you relevant. As a support player, either you or the jungler will want to grab Oracles. Most of your gold should be spent on wards whenever possible. Otherwise, as a melee character, your other items will be spent trying to get tanky.

Luxury
Sunfire Cape
Banshee's Veil
Aegis
Reverie
Spirit Visage

Optional
Turn Philo into Miracle so you can take CDR boots instead of Merc.
Kage's Lucky Pick is another gold/10 item you can think about picking up.
Frozen Heart and Abyssal Scepter are also decent choices for specific situations.
If you're struggling and need some more general stats, Doran's Rings are cost efficient choices.
Deathcap is good AP if you need it...but it's a lot of gold invested into an item that doesn't help you survive nearly as much

Don't Buy
Soul Shroud: There's just better items to buy, and that 15% CDR aura really isn't worth it.
Mejai's: Taric is a melee champion. Unless you know you're going to be 11+ stacks for most of the game, you'll be putting yourself in too many dangerous situations to make use of this item.
Force of Nature: Taric doesn't need extra regen. He needs HP to survive burst. Between your Q and R, if you can't live, the extra regen from FoN isn't going to save you. Better off increasing your mana pool through Bveil.


Playstyle
You're a manly, manly support. Go bottom and be manly. If a level 1 teamfight happens, E is great initiation. The most important thing is to be sure your lane partner can farm, and when you see the opportunity, go in for an E/W combo. If your lane partner contributes, it'll be some easy damage. Realize that your heal, while mana efficient, is rather costly and you won't be able to outlast other AD/Support lanes if you don't put any pressure on them. If your lane partner can hold the lane by himself, feel free to roam, especially if you started Boots. You can go annoy the middle lane with an E/W combo, and often that's enough for your solo to win the lane around levels 3-4. Other than that, keep warding and make sure your bottom lane partner gets farm.. During midgame, you can push down towers relatively quickly with some help, thanks to your R. Late game, your heals will definitely start to die off unless you've been building some AP, but you still provide a lot of utility between your ultimate, stun, and shatter. The most difficult part is playing the early game correctly - knowing when to start a skirmish, when to play aggressive, and where to be on the map.


AP Taric


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Runes
Quints: 3x Flat AP or 3x Flat HP
Marks: 9x MPen
Seals: 9x Armor or 9x MP5/level or 9x HP/level
Glyphs: 9x MP5/level or 9x Flat AP or 9x Flat MR or 9x Flat CDR

An alternative runeset against AD lanes is

Quints: 3x Flat Armor
Marks: 9x Flat Armor
Seals: 9x Flat Armor
Glyphs: 9x Flat Armor

Masteries
0/21/9 or 0/9/21

If you feel that your lane matchup is going to need you to pump mana heavily outside of your natural regen, go with 0/9/21. Otherwise, 0/21/9 lets you farm without caring about what anyone does.

Summoner Spells
Viable options here are Exhaust, Ignite, Flash, and Ghost. Make sure at least one spell is an escape, though. You want one spell for utility in fights - Exhaust makes it nearly impossible to lose a 1v1, and Ignite gives you some extra damage and is obvious against healers. Teleport is also an option, if you feel like you're going to get outlasted in lane.

Skill Order
WEQW

W>E>Q>R
Only take Q when you need to! Although E has a great ratio, its base damage is very unreliable, so until you get some AP, leave it alone. It also has a shorter cooldown than W, so in lane you won't be using your main combo of EW until W is off cooldown.

Items
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Start
Regrowth+Pot
Mana Crystal+Pots
Doran's Ring
Boots+Pots
2x Faerie Charm+Pots
Cloth Armor+Pots

You can mix and match mana potions with health potions, since you have a heal.

Core:
Catalyst
Deathcap
Sorc Boots or CDR Boots

Get AP and get it quickly. Not much else to say about it.

Luxury
Void Staff
Banshee's Veil
Abyssal Scepter
Deathfire Grasp

I've seen all of the above work depending on the enemy team composition. If you need extra oomph because the other team is building MR, go straight for void staff. If you want some MR yourself and need to avoid targeted stuns, Banshee's Veil is a good choice. But if you can get away with it, Abyssal is a nice addition that helps you stay tanky enough if you need to play as a melee mage, while also giving you more damage.

Optional
Stack Doran's Rings: I would never get more than 3, and even then, I would rather have 2x Doran's Ring and...
Kage's Lucky Pick: If you need some extra gold and some more burst, you can later turn this into a Deathfire Grasp
Lich Bane: You might need to tank up a little bit to use this, but combined with Shatter, your Lich Bane procs will hurt like crazy.


Don't Buy
Rylai's Crystal Scepter: You have two offensive spells on decently long cooldown. One is a stun. The other is an AoE spell. Please don't get this.
Hextech Revolver: You have a heal. You don't need spell vamp.
Guinsoo's Rageblade: This would be okay if you were to build tanky enough to maintain the stacks on it as you bumrush them. AP Taric does not play like this!


Playstyle
Okay, let's look at Taric's AP ratios to understand where this playstyle comes from. E is a 1.0 ratio, W is a 0.5 ratio. Your damage will be decent, but not amazing unless you get lots of good farm. Luckily, Taric with the right runes and masteries is incredibly durable. Your Q is a 1.1 ratio, but it's 40% more effective healing yourself. Your Shatter gives you even more free armor. Between these two, you can shrug off almost any AD lane (some melee DPS matchups are still hard) and farm in peace. Don't be afraid to harrass your lane opponent using EW - It does good damage, and is often a free autottack or two after with their reduced armor.

Take a solo lane. It's possible to make this build work in a duo lane, but your farm is going to come really slowly. You don't have the advantage of a huge burst like Annie, but you have constant, unrelenting harrass combined with mana regen mechanics from your passive, and a heal with a short cooldown. During laning, you'll be strong all through the first 6 levels. Some AP characters may give you a hard time, but you should be able to hold most lanes well enough to farm. Taric is by no means a phenomonal laner, and I personally only take him to a solo lane when I know I'll be matched up against an AD character. It will be difficult to outright kill your opponent without a gank, but you can harrass them out of lane slowly but surely. Don't be afraid to push if you have vision. If you can force the lane to their tower when you're level 6, you can really dent it with your ultimate. You should aim to force your opponent out of lane a little bit before you hit 6 to try to maximize this.

Once teamfights start, just pick a squishy target, combo them, retreat, heal where necessary and repeat. Whether to prioritize healing or going in for damage is reliant on how the game is going. If your Irelia can dive them 1v3, focus on keeping her alive with your massive heals, comboing people to support her. If the enemy's Caitlyn is tearing you up, chase her out of the fight and combo her so that she's too low to come back in. Be very careful, though - Taric is a melee mage, and if you're not careful, you'll get blown up very quickly. You can also threaten targets with your stun and chase them out of the fight - this is where exhaust comes in handy. Flash->Stun is incredibly strong for initiation if you catch the right person, and it'll be even more hilarious when you take off half of their life with the stun.

The last thing to realize is that your mana pool will be small unless you have something besides just Catalyst. As a result, you'll have to measure your mana pool quickly, and you may find yourself exhausted in long fights.



AP Taric (Duo Lane)


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Runes
Quints: 3x Flat AP
Marks: 9x MPen
Seals: 9x Armor or 9x MP5/level or 9x HP/level
Glyphs: 9x MP5/level or 9x Flat AP

Squeeze as much AP into the runes as you can get away with. Depending on what lane you're playing against, you may have to swap out for some MP5 runes.

Masteries
9/0/21

In more passive support builds, you want 0/9/21 to be tanky and boss people around, but your real utility as an AP support is ridiculous early burst. 15% magic penetration is essential.

Summoner Spells
Clairvoyance/Flash always, unless you somehow convinced your jungler to pick up CV. In that case, take Ignite/Exhaust.

Skill Order
WEQW

W/E>E/W>Q>R
Only take Q when you need to! E has a shorter cooldown than W, so in lane you won't be using your main combo of EW until W is off cooldown. As such, level accordingly. Remember also that your mana pool is limited.

Items
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Start
Regrowth+Pot
Mana Crystal+Pots
Doran's Ring
Boots+Pots
2x Faerie Charm+Pots
Cloth Armor+Pots

You can mix and match mana potions with health potions, since you have a heal.

Core:
Doran's Ring x3
Deathcap
Sorc Boots or CDR Boots
Wards
Oracle


Your core will come very slowly as a support, since you won't get many creep kills. As such, you need to make sure you're pressuring your lane so you can keep building AP and stay relevant. At the very least, make sure the other lane is behind yours.

Luxury
Void Staff
Banshee's Veil
Abyssal Scepter
Deathfire Grasp

I've seen all of the above work depending on the enemy team composition. If you need extra oomph because the other team is building MR, go straight for void staff. If you want some MR yourself and need to avoid targeted stuns, Banshee's Veil is a good choice. But if you can get away with it, Abyssal is a nice addition that helps you stay tanky enough if you need to play as a melee mage, while also giving you more damage.

Optional
Kage's Lucky Pick: If you need some extra gold and some more burst, you can later turn this into a Deathfire Grasp
Lich Bane: You might need to tank up a little bit to use this, but combined with Shatter, your Lich Bane procs will hurt like crazy.


Don't Buy
Rylai's Crystal Scepter: You have two offensive spells on decently long cooldown. One is a stun. The other is an AoE spell. Please don't get this.
Hextech Revolver: You have a heal. You don't need spell vamp.
Guinsoo's Rageblade: This would be okay if you were to build tanky enough to maintain the stacks on it as you bumrush them. AP Taric does not play like this!


Playstyle
AP Taric is very abusive to bottom lanes. Compare Taric to other supports - at early levels, Soraka has a heal on a long CD. You can outburst her heals if you and your lane partner work together. Sona's heal/mana ratios are terrible, and with a lot of starting AP, you'll exhaust her mana pool before she does yours. Janna doesn't have a heal, and you have better burst with the early AP.

The point is, you want to play the lane aggressively if you're against a support/AD lane. AP Taric as a support works well if your lane partner hurts early. Good candidates are MF and Caitlyn. Corki and Ashe also work, but I prefer the first two. Your role is still the same as playing support in any other fashion. Just remember that once you get your Doran's Rings, you should be ahead of the other bottom lane, which will give you more gold to ward and build toward your deathcap. The goal is to try to get the Deathcap before the other team's carries start to build serious MR.


AD Jungle Taric


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Runes
Quints: 3x Flat HP
Marks: 9x ArPen
Seals: 9x Armor
Glyphs: 9x Attack Speed

We gonna go nab ourselves some creep kills.

Masteries
21/0/9 if you can get away with it and have a good leash at blue.


Summoner Spells
Smite/Flash. Non-negotiable.


Skill Order
WQWE

W>E>R>Q

Shatter gives flat armor reduction. Max that first. Your ultimate is actually useful as an AD jungler, so you'll want to grab levels of that whenever you can. (In other builds, you can delay taking your ultimate until ~Level 11 and grab two levels in it, because that's when you shine. Not here. You need that ulti to increase your DEEPZ).

Items
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Start
Cloth Armor+Pots
Long Sword + Pot

You can mix and match mana potions with health potions, since you have a heal. Make sure you have a really good leash on blue if you're going to start Longsword. Taric has a heal to sustain through the jungle, but blue golem will still beat you up before you get it.

Core:
Wriggle's Lantern
Youmuu's Ghostblade
Berserker Greaves or Mercury Treads

More ArPen and AD so you can wail on people and kill them with your giant hammer. Wriggle's is is a no-brainer for any jungler. Youmuu's gives you pretty much everything you want.

Luxury
Black Cleaver
Warmog's/Atma's
Phage

Cleaver gives you more Armor Reduction. Between Shatter, Youmuu's, ArPen runes, and Cleaver, you'll probably be able to reduce anybody to <100 armor. Squishies might even find themselves at negative armor. Atmog's is if you're having a good game, as it's hard to farm all that up in the jungle. You'll still get most of the Warmog's stacks from assists/kills in solo queue, so if you're feeling brave, try it. Phage is for sticking onto people if you need it. You probably won't, since your self healing is incredibly strong 1v1 and you have a stun.

Optional
Trinity Force: If you have tons of money to throw away, this is cool I guess.
Cloak and Dagger: If you need Tenacity, this is a decent option to look at.

Don't Buy
Infinity Edge: Unless, of course, you're incredibly fed.
Bloodthirster: You won't be tanky enough as a jungle AD to keep the stacks up. After all, you're essentially a melee DPS, playing in this role.


Playstyle
Standard route. Blue - Wolves - Wraiths - Red - Double Golem.

You're a jungler with a 650 range stun. Go gank people. You can also 1v1 a lot of champions later in the game, thanks to all your AD and self healing. Just make sure not to run out of mana. Go kill people.


Notable Posts

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On August 09 2011 03:09 Niton wrote:
WotA can actually be really strong on sidelane AP Taric if you wind up with a team that gets great benefit from the aura. DFG is -usually- best, but if you're not expecting heavy cash flow, the 2100g for 80 AP and 30 for each other AP using member of your team is quite strong.

Also, Chalice is quite strong in place of the third D-Ring in situations where your mana expenditure is heavier. I made a big post earlier in the topic about it - it's retarded just how gold efficient Chalice is on Taric in particular, and trading 400g + 15 AP for 30 Mp5 is all the mana you should ever need. Just don't buy it if you think your team might give you blue.


On July 30 2011 15:55 Niton wrote:
So I've gone full-circle. Starting a couple of days ago, I've been buying Chalice again. A year ago I thought it was the greatest thing ever, but until I started trying it out again I thought I was retarded for thinking that. Even in a 3 Doran's Ring game, I find myself thinking "If I had more mana, I could do more". I'm not going to ask for my team's blue buff, so I started thinking about what I could do to make up that amount of mana.

Catalyst is 1325g, and while it offers an amazing passive on level-up, the 325 static mana doesn't replenish itself very quickly without it. It also offers the option to build into Rod of Ages (ok) or Banshee's (really good) if you wind up with extra money, though as AP Taric that's less common.

Tear is 990g, but it's all spent on mana - without building it into Archangel's or (ugh) Manamune, it's not really a good use of gold. Like Catalyst, most of the mana obtained doesn't automatically replenish itself.

Philosopher's Stone is the next best option, but at 800g it's only 90g cheaper than Chalice. There's not a strong secondary defensive stat on it, either - you trade 90g, the gold passive and 18 Hp5 for 30 MR and the scaling Mp5 passive.

So that leaves us with Chalice of Harmony. For 890g, you get:
- 30 MR, your 'weak' defensive point with Doran's Rings and Shatter
- 7.5 base mp5
- Scaling mana regeneration that amplifies the effect of other sources.

At level 11, your mp5 is 11.2 (base) + 10 (2x Doran's) + 3 (Utility) + regen item of choice.

With Philosopher's Stone, your total Mp5 will be 34.2
With Chalice of Harmony, your total Mp5 will be 33.7 at 100% mana.
75%: 42.125
50%: 50.55
25%: 58.975
0%: 67.4 (!)

At that same level 11 figure, your total mana pool is 871.

Casting 1 Q (Rank 1), 1 W (Rank 5) and 1 E (Rank 5) is a total cost of 245 mana, bringing you to 69.5% of your total mana. Casting and maintaining your ult for any length of time brings you lower. Using that figure, the lowest benefit Taric will recieve from Chalice's immediately is 10.25 mp5. Any use of your ult or any additional spells cast will increase the net benefit.

My conclusion? At least on Support/AP Taric, it's worth giving a shot. The MR's pretty noticable, and it's amazing for getting your mana back after running your ult without having to back. Being a frontliner support, the resists are actually pretty relevant!

My current Support/AP build:
Doran's Ring
Boots1
Doran's Ring
Boots2
Chalice of Harmony
Will of the Ancients (or Abyssal Scepter, or Deathcap if the game's going very well)

Man, that's a lot of words about a (supposedly) shit-tier item.

Addendum:
Another combination which can work very well is Eleisa's Miracle + Ninja's Tabi / Sorceror's Shoes / Ionian Boots of Lucidity.

25 HP and 20 MP5 are both significant amounts, and Miracle's tenacity opens up the ability to get boots that better match the situation you're in.



Planned Future Updates
Lane matchups as Support Taric - what to do against certain types of lanes depending on your lane partner.
Roaming

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v1.00 (19/07/2011) I made guide
v1.01 (20/07/2011) Added AP Taric build
v1.02 (08/08/2011) Added AP Taric (support) build
v1.03 (08/08/2011) Added AD Jungle Taric build, added "Notable Posts" section where Niton does all the work and I just go "yep", added "Important Pictures and Threads" section
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
July 19 2011 21:59 GMT
#2
Remember when Soul Shroud was the end-all of support items and arguing against it was insanity?

Also, imo Ninja Tabi + Miracle is quite viable against certain physical-reliant team comps.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
July 19 2011 22:13 GMT
#3
AP Taric is legit as hell. I'd argue it's even more useful to a team than the typical support build, especially in solo queue.

I'd like to see more info about roaming, since if you don't exert your strong early game you'll just be dead weight late game and GG 4v5. Loci's replay + commentary is gold.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
July 19 2011 22:59 GMT
#4
On July 20 2011 06:59 Niton wrote:
Remember when Soul Shroud was the end-all of support items and arguing against it was insanity?

Also, imo Ninja Tabi + Miracle is quite viable against certain physical-reliant team comps.



I think part of the problem was that there simply weren't other good support items. You were limited to Aegis and Soul Shroud. Now that you can build so many different viable items for support, it's definitely fallen by the wayside.

On July 20 2011 07:13 Lanzoma wrote:
AP Taric is legit as hell. I'd argue it's even more useful to a team than the typical support build, especially in solo queue.

I'd like to see more info about roaming, since if you don't exert your strong early game you'll just be dead weight late game and GG 4v5. Loci's replay + commentary is gold.


AP Taric is fun as hell, especially because no one expect Dazzle to take off half of their HP with its 1:1 AP ratio.

As far as roaming goes, I'll work on it.
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 03:18:29
July 20 2011 03:18 GMT
#5
AP Taric es #1 taric always kill never die

the amount of burst you can do combined with your heals and stun is seriously crazy with the right lane partner (aka anyone with a brain)
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 07:29:02
July 20 2011 07:28 GMT
#6
Wow I wrote a lot for a troll build.

Updated with AP Taric.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
July 20 2011 18:01 GMT
#7
Why do you list the full armor rune page for AP Taric but not Support Taric? I think the fully defensive rune page is much more useful for Support than something that has MPen. I currently run Gold/5 Quints, Armor Reds/Yellows and MR/lvl Blues.
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
July 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#8
I actually meant AP taric duo lane, not solo lane.

E > W > Q > R, get Q early if necessary
mpen reds, ap/lvl yellows, flat ap blues & quints
dring open -> boots -> drings / kage pick -> sorcs | dfg

Your playstyle is entirely focused in killing the squishiest of the other duo. E is the strongest non-ultimate nuke in the game[citation needed] if it hits up close (400 max base damage at rank 5), and W's damage growth is decent and shreds armor for your lanemate to finish them off. If you can't feed yourself anymore through bot lane, go roam and kill mid lane or their jungler.

This build doesn't work if your lane partner is a weak laner (e.g. ashe) that will die if they retaliate. It also doesn't work if their lane is soraka + strong laner or a cc duo. In those cases, though, just pick another support.

Mid game you play like Sion with a mediocre heal. Late game you should already have the game won or you're screwed.

The thing about taric is that he's not really supporty for a support character. His heal has mediocre base stats and long cd, his W buff is meh vs double AP setups, and his R is a mana drain that barely helps your team with the current split up teamfights. If you don't push your early game advantage, the game becomes 4v5 past 30 minutes.

How 2 fix? Build AP and go all out early game. Help your lanes win HARD so that there is no late game. Surprise the enemy carry with your decision and your 600-700 damage combo. Have tons of fun while doing this.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 18:38:20
July 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#9
On July 21 2011 03:01 arnath wrote:
Why do you list the full armor rune page for AP Taric but not Support Taric? I think the fully defensive rune page is much more useful for Support than something that has MPen. I currently run Gold/5 Quints, Armor Reds/Yellows and MR/lvl Blues.


Armor reds are incredibly inefficient, mostly. You're going to want MPen because Taric plays aggressively in lane - the extra damage from the MPen is definitely noticeable, and your Shatter aura should be enough to keep you good on armor. In a solo lane, you're going to be taking the full brunt of the harrass, and any time you combo, you're most likely going to run up to autoattack, drawing creep aggro. Again - I only recommend that rune page against ranged AD. Even then, I sometimes swap out my armor reds for MPen because it adds so much damage early-midgame.

The only support that doesn't really want MPen reds is Soraka, because she just wants to mass AP. Hell, she could even use AP/Level reds if she wanted, despite how bad they are.

On July 21 2011 03:33 Lanzoma wrote:
I actually meant AP taric duo lane, not solo lane.


Yeah, I know AP Taric in a duo lane is good for solo queue, but I'm not quite sure yet whether to make it another section entirely or lump it in with Support. You have pretty much the same idea as me, though - I just have to add it in.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
July 21 2011 04:25 GMT
#10
So i've been messing around with getting Will of the Ancients as a rush item on AP Support Taric today - preliminary results seem pretty nice, you have a nuke that will give you back quite a bit of health from it yourself, and there's almost always someone near you who also likes the AP.

The allchat wtfs make it all worth it.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 05:13:25
July 21 2011 05:09 GMT
#11
On July 20 2011 07:13 Lanzoma wrote:
AP Taric is legit as hell. I'd argue it's even more useful to a team than the typical support build, especially in solo queue.

I'd like to see more info about roaming, since if you don't exert your strong early game you'll just be dead weight late game and GG 4v5. Loci's replay + commentary is gold.


with the current state of the game, i wouldn't recommend roaming, ur ranged carry will simply get shit on and you'll have trouble for the rest of the game. Its better to exert ur early game power to make farming safe for your lane mate. if its not a ranged carry however, its fair game.

another thing i'd like to mention is that you dont necessarily lvl R>W>Q>E, its suuuuper game dependant. W first is great for if you're winning, q you're going to want if your not. also i very often delay my r to as much as lvl 11 before grabbing it if i know we're not pushing towers yet. i actually very rarely get it at lvl 6, simply because its main use is for teamfights and pushing, but if its still in the stage where 2v2 skirmishes are happening, its much better to be lvling w and q.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 21 2011 05:58 GMT
#12
barbsq is right to an extent, but in the situations that lanzoma is describing (aka when you've netted your carry like 6 kills bot) you can leave the lane to gank other lanes because your carry will simply double kill the enemy if they try to kill her
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
July 21 2011 18:21 GMT
#13
ah yeah, actually thats true, i was thinking more from a lvl 1 roaming standpoint and just roaming all game. I think the best time is when your carry hits abt lvl 11, you can grab ult and go from lane to lane pushing, ganking, healing and warding when applicable.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
July 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#14
Just tried a game as AP taric, (albeit with lowbie friends), and I crushed an MF top lane. Oh my god shatter hits realllly hard and you just ignore her with 100 armor at lvl 3 trololololo
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 23 2011 06:50 GMT
#15
Taric + non-sivir ranged AD Carry on bot lane is free elo/wins (corki, MF, Ez, Ashe, cait)
FADC
Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
July 23 2011 09:16 GMT
#16
solo mid taric with dring stacking -> nashor's tooth -> rageblade real OP.

Ultimate DPS
Ultimate armor
Ultimate AP damage
Ultimate heal

best 1 man team imoimoimo
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 06:57:04
July 30 2011 06:55 GMT
#17
So I've gone full-circle. Starting a couple of days ago, I've been buying Chalice again. A year ago I thought it was the greatest thing ever, but until I started trying it out again I thought I was retarded for thinking that. Even in a 3 Doran's Ring game, I find myself thinking "If I had more mana, I could do more". I'm not going to ask for my team's blue buff, so I started thinking about what I could do to make up that amount of mana.

Catalyst is 1325g, and while it offers an amazing passive on level-up, the 325 static mana doesn't replenish itself very quickly without it. It also offers the option to build into Rod of Ages (ok) or Banshee's (really good) if you wind up with extra money, though as AP Taric that's less common.

Tear is 990g, but it's all spent on mana - without building it into Archangel's or (ugh) Manamune, it's not really a good use of gold. Like Catalyst, most of the mana obtained doesn't automatically replenish itself.

Philosopher's Stone is the next best option, but at 800g it's only 90g cheaper than Chalice. There's not a strong secondary defensive stat on it, either - you trade 90g, the gold passive and 18 Hp5 for 30 MR and the scaling Mp5 passive.

So that leaves us with Chalice of Harmony. For 890g, you get:
- 30 MR, your 'weak' defensive point with Doran's Rings and Shatter
- 7.5 base mp5
- Scaling mana regeneration that amplifies the effect of other sources.

At level 11, your mp5 is 11.2 (base) + 10 (2x Doran's) + 3 (Utility) + regen item of choice.

With Philosopher's Stone, your total Mp5 will be 34.2
With Chalice of Harmony, your total Mp5 will be 33.7 at 100% mana.
75%: 42.125
50%: 50.55
25%: 58.975
0%: 67.4 (!)

At that same level 11 figure, your total mana pool is 871.

Casting 1 Q (Rank 1), 1 W (Rank 5) and 1 E (Rank 5) is a total cost of 245 mana, bringing you to 69.5% of your total mana. Casting and maintaining your ult for any length of time brings you lower. Using that figure, the lowest benefit Taric will recieve from Chalice's immediately is 10.25 mp5. Any use of your ult or any additional spells cast will increase the net benefit.

My conclusion? At least on Support/AP Taric, it's worth giving a shot. The MR's pretty noticable, and it's amazing for getting your mana back after running your ult without having to back. Being a frontliner support, the resists are actually pretty relevant!

My current Support/AP build:
Doran's Ring
Boots1
Doran's Ring
Boots2
Chalice of Harmony
Will of the Ancients (or Abyssal Scepter, or Deathcap if the game's going very well)

Man, that's a lot of words about a (supposedly) shit-tier item.

Addendum:
Another combination which can work very well is Eleisa's Miracle + Ninja's Tabi / Sorceror's Shoes / Ionian Boots of Lucidity.

25 HP and 20 MP5 are both significant amounts, and Miracle's tenacity opens up the ability to get boots that better match the situation you're in.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
July 30 2011 09:40 GMT
#18
gold per 5 is okay
chalice is okay
BUT MASS DORANS IS WHERE ITS AT
i wish riot would give me better ping
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 31 2011 00:50 GMT
#19
The build for taric is like

boots ward pot
dorans
dorans
dorans
dorans
NLR
Deathcap
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 31 2011 11:30 GMT
#20
Is the normal chalice, cdr boots and aegis build still okay? I just found out about Taric's passive and that autoattacking decreases the cd on his Q. Building tanky allows him to autoattack like a boss with ult on during fights.
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